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Aselzion
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posted December 25, 2003 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings...

And just to make it perfectly clear, I have a job that supports my financial needs. Though I have been studying Astrology/Tarot/Metaphysics for over 23 years, I do not seek to make my living in this arena.

When I decide to do an astrological or Tarot reading for an individual, the charge/no charge thing is determined on a case by case basis... but this is why I do not choose to be a full time Astrologer or Tarot Reader.

I recently had a girl come for a reading, and in lieu of payment, I told her to go to a psychologist... she needed a different type of help than that which I am qualified to provide.

I merely support the choice of the individual astrologer or psychic or tarot reader (or what have you type of psychic/spiritual consultant) to charge a nominal/reasonable fee for their services rendered.

Hope that clarifies my position.

In the Light...
A

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Randall
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posted December 26, 2003 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Loud and clear.

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posted December 30, 2003 11:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with everything Alice Rabbit has written,we do not even need money in the first place

'There are many ways to live without money,but is it a life you are willing to live?'I agree

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sesame
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posted December 30, 2003 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm agreeing with A. Free information should really only be found by the individual. The striving validates the info. But, if you have striven and have come to a crossroads, then the info giving byt others should be free since this is a "message from God" or a gift for tasks rendered. But, what if your previous life had so much learning, but this one you wanted to relax and forget for a while, if people were to tech you things in this environment, it should probably also be free as it is info you might've taught them before. I think in the end that the situation MUST depend on the scenario.

A different thought here is what if a university was created that taught Astrologers, and allowed the astrologers to teach according to their abilities... as they get better, the fees are increased which are payed to the uni, but then administered to the staff. I think this sounds like Cayces, but I'm not sure...

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Deam.

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posted December 31, 2003 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, Linda's goal was to establish such a University.

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Aselzion
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posted December 31, 2003 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings...

I'm in! Anyone interested in setting up such an Institution or Church?

How can we Abracadabra such an entity into being on the material Plane? Ideas?

Bright Blessings for a Happy and Healthy New Year...

A

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posted January 01, 2004 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to be a Bishop!

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posted January 02, 2004 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings...

OK Randall.. you can be Bishop if I get to be Grand Poobah!

Have a happy day...

A

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posted April 21, 2004 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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"the lack of money is the root of all evil" as the plaque in my dad's kitchen opined

howard hughes would probably agree. he was never satisfied, no matter that he had the biggest pile of toys in the world. when asked how much money it would take to make him truly happy, he replied, "just a little more"

i, too, have had problems starting my alternative medicine practice. i really do not know why my heart has not been in it, but when asked what i charge, i find myself ranting about the barter system. i'll scratch your back and you can scratch mine.
i mean, why should one service be inherently worth so much more than another?

and what is really sad is that there is so much money to be made from other people's problems in general...the chinese doctors get paid to keep people well, which makes infinitely more sense

life is one big monopoly game...you can be like hh if you manage to get all the hotels, but who wants to play for long when you get $6 for your little baltic states on a random go-around?

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posted April 25, 2004 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can I have just a little more?

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posted April 25, 2004 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall
I think you can, I think you can, I think you can ... choo choo!
Heh, sorry, The Little Engine crept into my head on that one.

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posted April 26, 2004 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted June 05, 2004 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My very wise teacher, warned me over and over about charging for that which is given of the spirit most freely.

If you need to make a living? Then perhaps you should consider a job.

As for those Reiki masters who charge huge fees? They should all be most thoroughly ashamed. They'll pay a huge fee too one day.

I worked for the local hospice. It broke my heart to see these self proclaimed 'Masters' behaving in this fashion. On my journey over the years, I too did a reiki course or two. I don't use it at all any more. I've not used it for years, and yes, I do have reasons for avoiding it now.

I know the intention may be honourable, but often we may not understand that energy with good intent, may not be enough to help if not directed in the proper manner. That is why many healers get sick.


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posted June 06, 2004 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Aselzion
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posted June 06, 2004 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings...

Healing and Spiritual Teaching should be Gifted to the student or person in need of assistance, I agree.

However, a READING, where one is investing time and energy and years of preparation BEFORE they can get to the point of being able to read, should come at a nominal cost to the querent. This is not spiritual teaching, this is consulting based on one's time and experience in a field, for which I believe one is entitled to charge.

Now, as I have said.. this fee should be fair and equitable. Readings are NOT essential, and again, not generally spiritual teaching. Generally people want advice about jobs, money, children and health issues among other more mundane concerns, and therefore I think that they should invest the fee to compensate the reader. I do not believe it is fair to expect a reading... which IS a service rendered to be free.

I say if you want a free reading, learn how to do astrology or Tarot for yourself.

But let's don't lump a reading into the HEALING or Teaching category, it is not the same thing at all. Apples and Oranges, eh?!

Make sense?

In the Light...
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posted May 15, 2013 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heartlight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello people... I found this thread when writing (which is what I do for a living... my labour of love is as a channeller although I don't much care for that word as it doesn't describe what I do very well!).

In my work as a channeller, I have travelled UK-wide and also to the States... I work mostly from home and on Skype with my clients.

I am in awe of how vast the store of wisdom and knowledge is, and recently after a sabbatical, during which time I re-evaluated everything in my life, I realised that I could no longer charge money for the channelled work I do.

Obviously there are lots of different points of view, and I consider that each one is valid, but I was intrigued by the strength of my own guidance/heart on this subject. I felt it would be okay to earn money via my writing of books (which I do) and also any other means, if I chose to, i.e. healing, therapy, etc.

When I delved deeper, I remembered that Linda G had written something about this many years ago and I trawled the internet (only just recovered my old book) for her quoted words.

I can only tell you why I agree wholeheartedly with Linda on this subject, and maybe it will clarify some things for others who have asked, as I did.

From my experience, I don't make appointments. I work from home and I channel a wonderful energy source that I call The Mother of All Creation. This energy - also referred to as The Womb of Creation - amazes me every time it flows through me. The words are individual and unique to everyone who asks a question and answers to individual problems are as unique as snowflakes!

I do not have any overheads and no expense is incurred by me when I am working in this way. It is not even a case of 'fair exchange of energy being no robbery' for I only ask, and only if the person feels drawn to do so, that they Pay It Forward.

Writing a book, learning a trade or a therapy, or making a CD or DVD requires (usually) an outlay of some kind, financially. We do indeed have to make a living and the Universe, I feel, totally supports that.

Even if you do channel stuff and you feel you need to ask for payment, YOU ARE NOT WRONG... it's simply a case of how much trust you have in your Source... and if you are willing to purify your heart enough to be able to channel the highest truth you can personally align with.

I choose to give this gift for Love. My husband and I are not rich financially, and we only rent our cottage in Wales (didn't Linda say something about that, at some time?) but we have ALL we need and more.

I was recently offered a huge sum of money to interact with someone in the States and I wouldn't take payment. I asked that they PIF... this created more love and goodwill than any payment could have offered, from my side and from the client.

I am so pleased to be able to share my insights with you...

Love and heartlight, Jay xxx

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posted May 15, 2013 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

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posted May 16, 2013 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good seeing you here.

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posted May 17, 2013 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You still around?

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posted April 15, 2015 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really interesting thread...

There are many kinds of riches in this world. Astrologers yes deserve money. Preachers and inspirational people yes deserve reward. But the greatest reward is the one inside when you know you've done the right thing, and it feels solid and settled inside, it does good for everyone involved.

Some people are aggressive and grew up in families that taught them business skills.

I grew up in a family culture where girls did not count, and any money or delights they'd notice were taken away in order to hurt you. I learned to feel the satisfaction of activity, and knowing personally in my conscience that I did a good job.

I've not heard about astrologers who negotiate their fees... You pay by electronics, 'no money shall exchange hands'! It's bank to bank!

It's a lucky thing to have knowledgeable people here who can teach about charts. I have a 'feel' for them, and am beginning to get brave enough (outside LL) to say things that have proved to be helpful. I need more study, because I go to say something, then oops go check back to see if that's correct. I learn it deeper. Want to start practicing more on people.

I still feel creepy about charging any money. I guess I feel that if I'm certified, then I'll have learned ALL the basics. I especially would like to learn better how to calculate charts by hand. If something ever happened to the internet, they would still need astrologers who could cast a correct chart. (I still get stuck on some of the math in certain places.) I still have a ways to go, but making progress on almost a daily basis now.

Still gotta look at my resistance. I guess I still equate it on the level of higher-spirituality. It's "sacred"... and very powerful. There is a form of taking what used to be spiritual and making things shallow-- lower-spiritual, almost mundane or crass.

Must have been a monk-astrologer-teacher in past life--- it's just 'too sacred' like handling consecrated communion wafers, or touching some kind of holy of holies.

There's a big money-veil now, and it blocks many people from benefiting who really need it. I hope I get a way to do that for these.

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posted April 16, 2015 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The debate rages on...

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