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Topic: Women selfishly not having babies?
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AmberVonSchriek unregistered
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posted November 15, 2002 10:26 PM
In Star Signs Linda mentions this in the first half of the book.. about a woman not being able to conceive perhaps living out her karma of selfishly not having children in another life as an example. Did she believe women that choose not to have children are doing a disservice? What about women that choose to have only one or two kids? Is she implying women should have as many kids as possible? Does she talk about this in any other books?
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trippysht Knowflake Posts: 272 From: Morristown, NJ USA Registered: Nov 2002
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posted November 16, 2002 04:35 AM
i would imagine that she refers to a selfish woman as one who doesn't want to care and love a(ny) child- as adopting as a way to neutralize this karma. but i don't think she means if one can't have any children because of the lack of financial means, or of extenuating circumstances, or that a woman should take on as many as she can bare- she seems to allude to the karma created through having the means, the resources and circumstances to raise care for and love a child, her own or someone elses, and refusing to do so.....but, i have met some very unnurtuing females before, who when they say they will never have children you can see why! but, perhaps this is what causes a woman in a later life to now desire a family and be diagnosed as 'sterile'. who knows? IP: Logged |
Tuesday Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
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posted February 22, 2003 04:45 PM
Hmm. I always thought choosing not to have children was UNselfish. There are way too many unwanted and neglected and messed up kids out there. I'm very nurturing and motherly toward animals but I don't want to have children because I don't want to repeat patterns or pass on problems to someone else that are my own. It's just never been my instinct to reproduce, I'd rather contribute to the world in other ways.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted February 22, 2003 11:17 PM
I think Linda meant that a woman who wants to have a baby and physically cannot is paying Karma for having deprived a child in some way in a past Life. That doesn't mean that the woman isn't a truly wonderful person in this Life or that she wouldn't be a superb mother. It just means that the Soul chose to learn the Lesson of this particular experience this time 'round on the carousel. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
theFajita3 Moderator Posts: 1404 From: Sunny South Florida, USA Registered: Feb 2003
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posted February 23, 2003 12:31 AM
Did Linda think it was selfish though to be a woman and not bear children?I am just trying to piece my own life together and have a lot of stuff to work on. I wouldn't want a child to suffer, not that I would be a bad mother, I just know, well, I am in no position to do that right now! Can't people still give time and help and contribute to society in other ways (at least can't I right now)??? ------------------ food is the only art that nourishes! IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted February 23, 2003 01:43 AM
No, I dont think Linda said that. She may have meant that one could have children and be selfish toward them. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
theFajita3 Moderator Posts: 1404 From: Sunny South Florida, USA Registered: Feb 2003
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posted February 23, 2003 01:58 AM
OK phew. I mean in time I may but right now I can't worry about doing that! I mean, one big accomplishment at a time for me OK ------------------ food is the only art that nourishes! IP: Logged |
sweetpeas Knowflake Posts: 893 From: Plainfield, IN Registered: Sep 2001
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posted February 24, 2003 11:56 AM
Seventy-five to eighty-five percent of women diagnosed as barren (including those whose husbands have a low sperm count) who then adopt a child, discover soon afterward, to their delight, that they've become pregnant.Star Signs page 121 IP: Logged |
theFajita3 Moderator Posts: 1404 From: Sunny South Florida, USA Registered: Feb 2003
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posted February 25, 2003 12:45 AM
WOW! Why do you think that is sweetpeas?(sorry if that seems like a stupid question) ------------------ food is the only art that nourishes! IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted February 25, 2003 01:00 AM
Because they've shown they have learned the Karmic Lesson that made them barren in the first place (to unselfishly Love a child). Thanks, Sweetpeas! I looked for that quote but couldn't find it, and then you posted it. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
sweetpeas Knowflake Posts: 893 From: Plainfield, IN Registered: Sep 2001
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posted February 25, 2003 05:22 PM
I know a few people this has happened to. Some have adopted and then had children of their own, some have just started babysitting and finally were able to conceive. ------------------ "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." -Les Brown- IP: Logged |
theFajita3 Moderator Posts: 1404 From: Sunny South Florida, USA Registered: Feb 2003
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posted February 26, 2003 02:08 AM
wow cool!------------------ food is the only art that nourishes! IP: Logged |
Evergreen Knowflake Posts: 72 From: USA Registered: Dec 2002
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posted February 28, 2003 01:04 AM
I heard about a couple (the lady used to work for my boyfriend) who worked really hard at getting pregnant, but didn't. So they adopted. Right after they got the adoptet child home, the lady discovered she was pregnant. Then they cancelled the adoption and gave the child back to the agency... Obviously the wanted to focus on their own biological child. What does that do to your karma-checklist, if anything?IP: Logged |
Lunargirl Knowflake Posts: 1513 From: south of utopia Registered: Mar 2003
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posted March 12, 2003 12:13 AM
Hi Evergreen, how horribly sad that those people you mention so completely misunderstood the true nature of love! I was adopted, and my little sister was conceived the very weekend I was brought home-- she and I have an especially close karmic bond-- and my family was the best thing that happened to me. My parents always treated me and my sisters the exact same way-- with LOVE -- and I believe through her open heart my mom achieved the promise of her name -- GRACE. All I can wonder is what kind of karmic repercussions are involved in adopting a child, but then _returning_ the child like second-best merchandise. I hope that almost-adopted child found a home where they were truly WANTED, like I was. LunargirlIP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 12, 2003 01:23 AM
Welcome! ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
StarLover33 Moderator Posts: 1987 From: King Arthur's Camelot Registered: Jun 2002
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posted March 12, 2003 03:00 PM
This is only my opinion, but that woman sounds very, very selfish.IP: Logged |
Sunmeadow Glades Knowflake Posts: 253 From: Brisbane, QLD, Australia Registered: Jan 2003
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posted March 12, 2003 10:23 PM
Gosh, you can't just disgard children like that!!! I mean it's wonderful the lady got pregnant, but what about that poor little being who was "sent back" to the adoption agency. Children don't come with "if unhappy with this product, return it to the shop it was bought from". That poor poor baby. Like Lunagirl said, I too hope a wonderful and loving and caring family want this beautiful child. Each and every child is a gift!!Love and Peace, Sunmeadow Glades. IP: Logged |
Kat Knowflake Posts: 150 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Jan 2003
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posted March 16, 2003 03:21 PM
Perhaps the parents were never meant to adopt this child in the first place. The universe knew this and provided an opportunity for this child to be "returned" and find it's destined family.IP: Logged |
Lunargirl Knowflake Posts: 1513 From: south of utopia Registered: Mar 2003
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posted March 17, 2003 02:16 AM
Thanks for the welcome, Randall!Yes, we can't know what that overall karmic plan was, can we? It does not sound right or healthy to me, but you're right Kat, we ought not to judge. Perhaps they couldn't afford having two infants so close together in age, and this was a solution. What seems unusual to me in this topic of barren-ness and adoption, is how so frequently in this kind of situation karma is visible for all to see! There is something so mighty about taking care of a child, and giving parental heart love... and an old wives' cure for infertility was for a couple to "borrow" a baby, or visit a house with a new baby, and sleep overnight. Powerful little things, aren't they? I don't think Linda would have considered women who choose childlessness as doing a karmic disservice -- to themselves or others -- au contraire! I think consciousness is key. An evolved consciousness -- where you know yourself, your partner (if there's one involved!!), and you're acting with spiritual and loving intent, whatever choice you make -- that respect of one's higher self is ultimately an individual path. And that seems to me very much where Linda was at -- your evolving sELF. What saddens me is when I hear women afraid that they have been "bad" in another life, or this one, and who fear being "punished" by not being able to conceive. Then they get stuck in that headspace. Some of it's guilt, some of it's based in real concerns (that scary biological clock! boo! yecch!), but on the other hand, it can also be an invitation to explore that fear and situation and transcend it. cheers, Lunargirl IP: Logged |
DeighLight Knowflake Posts: 13 From: Bradenton,Fl Registered: Nov 2002
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posted March 19, 2003 02:43 AM
I HAVE THREE CHILDREN...3,2 AND 2 MONTHS (PRETTY GOOD KARMA.IN THAT AREA)...I LOVE THEM WITH ALL MY HEART. I STAY HOME WITH THEM. BEING A MOM IS WHAT I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE. AS A CHILD I WAS PASSES FROM ONE HOME TO ANOTHER,AND WAS ON MY OWN BY 14. I'LL BE PRAYING FOR ALL THOSE BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN, I WISH I COULD TAKE THEM ALL HOME AND WRAP MY ARMS AROUND THEM AND SHOW THEM TRUE LOVE... +IP: Logged |
sweetpeas Knowflake Posts: 893 From: Plainfield, IN Registered: Sep 2001
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posted March 19, 2003 07:22 AM
Welcome to Lindaland, DeighLight! ------------------ You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war. Albert Einstein IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 20, 2003 10:25 AM
Welcome! ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 23, 2003 10:26 AM
What gender are they, DL? ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
shamrock227 Knowflake Posts: 210 From: Date and Place Variable, depending on my mood :) Registered: Oct 2002
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posted March 31, 2003 09:49 PM
Great topic, Amber!I've read the book a million times and I guess I've never taken the time to consider what that really means. I've always thought like Tuesday. If you don't really want children or feel that you cannot devote yourself to and sacrifice for them, then you are being UNselfish by not having them. However, I do know a girl who got married and knew that her husband wanted children in the worst way. Now, several years later she's decided that she doesn't want them - not because they can't afford it or anything - but, because she enjoys going out and partying with her friends too much. I think that's pretty selfish to make someone marry you by making them believe you want children then reneg when it comes time. Maybe that was what Linda was referring to? But, that situation isn't really that common to mention, is it? hmmm. I'm going to really have to think this one over. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16464 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 01, 2003 01:33 PM
------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |