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Topic: what did linda think about gayness?
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ness
Knowflake Posts: 13
From: Melbourne, Australia
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted November 19, 2005 05:49 AM
 
Linda mentioned different things at different times but I wonder what she really thought about gayness and bisexuality. Sometimes I get the impression that she thought it wasn't ideal or against nature (btw i also wonder what she meant about saying that to be immortal you must not engage in any 'unatural' sexual acts.) In gooberz she says that she thinks that gay people think they are right but they are not or something to that effect. Basically I want to know what are the spiritual reasons she might have had for these beliefs as I presume that the soul is not male or female- the higher self is pure love and genderless so what difference does it make- can not two gay people be twins? Despite the obvious of not being able to make a baby in the usual way or course. IP: Logged |
SunChild
Moderator Posts: 2502
From: Oz
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted November 19, 2005 07:19 AM
Hi I just noticed your from melbourne too. Cool!  Personally, I don't think Linda was against it, when she mentioned 'unnatural' I presumed she did not mean sex with the same gender. The Souls' purpose for growth and evolvement might include a lifetime or more of bisexuality, homosexuality even transexuality. I could never really see the 'right' or 'wrong' issue with it. All I see is a Soul choosing to experience life in a particular way.  ------------------
No object is mysterious. The mystery is your eye.
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 19, 2005 01:21 PM
Linda being a loving and beautiful individual, knew that each has his or her own karma
Man tried to dominate everything, it wasn't enough to penetrate and dominate woman, he also did this to his own gender
thus the bad karma
back door, dirt star, no creation there, ecoli, there, ic, lic, liethus the individuals got lost in lust, and overpowering in the wrong way
we must all accept one another, and help each other find God and the Truth
these karma's will be balanced
and in the end, like Mother and Father
2 are 1 Love and Light to ALL IP: Logged |
26taurus
Moderator Posts: 9603
From: the stars
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted November 19, 2005 04:31 PM
I'm not totally sure about Linda's view on it. Just wanted to say that from what I understand, each soul has it's own imprint of a female or male vibration, or a neutral one. And we are naturally attracted to that opposite. There is nothing good or bad about this. It just is. Of course we all vibrate within both male/female polarities, I think that within us there is usually one dominant vibration. Sometimes a female vibration chooses to 'wear' a male body and vice versa. For many reasons that we (and that person) may not understand or be aware of.
Life is so complex..... But so beautiful isnt it?  All in Creation is Love. It's up to you to find it and see it that way. IP: Logged |
26taurus
Moderator Posts: 9603
From: the stars
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted November 19, 2005 04:32 PM
Well said, SunChild. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 127
From: the capricious clouds
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 19, 2005 05:47 PM
Hi ness- great to meet you  I'll tell you the impression get from Linda, from what I have gathered reading her books. I believe that she believed we ultimately have a male or female soul....I say ultimately because, when reading Gooberz I discovered (through the conversation with Heathcliffe) that she believed that we can actually share little pieces of our soul with each other... this is known as the 'Thunderbolt Path'. I shall have to read it again actually, because there are one or two things I'm not quite clear on. Anyway, what if these 'soul pieces' were a mix or masculine or feminine?.... I know its all very complicated......
But from what I gather, the higher self of a person, she believed, could only be male or female. She also made references to Isis and Osiris, and I often wonder whether she believed that the '14 scattered pieces' of Osiris bared relevance to us and our karma; that only when our scattered pieces were reunited could we then find our Twin S-elf, our true 'twin S-elf'. True twin S-elves, Linda believed were a lot rarer than people may believe, and are not the same as soul mates/ twin souls. Basically, these souls were really made for each other, belong to each other- not that they are not unique in their own way but that they compliment each other; FIT together. Anyway, Gooberz explains all that for anyone who may want to know more. I know it is complicated and I myS-elf am still at odds with it all, as I am many spiritual teachings. If I follow what Linda taught and then tailor it to my own beliefs, it would seem that Twin S-elves can only be male and female. But Twin S-elves will not truely reunite until they are fully, karmically ready anyway, so they are quite rare. Therefor, would it not make sense that souls choose to incarnate into both male and female genders, to gain the most experience and learning they can? Life is not simple, not as clear as black and white as many would have it. There are people born both sexes; there are men who are feminine and women who are masculine. So what I personally believe is that we should not judge. All that matters is that we respect one another and do not try to hurt or abuse one another.
As one would say "The greatest thing we ever learn, is just to love, and be loved in return" By the way, I haven't decided whether I believe what Linda believed, whether we have a masculine or femine soul...or a soul that is unisex. (By the way she used different terms for the soul, such as 'overself' if I remember). Anyway, I don't know. All I know is that I love being a woman! lol
Perhaps when we feel restricted in one lifetime by our gender, we may choose to come back and experience life as the other gender? Who knows.
I believe we can be whatever we want to be. I hope you understood all this waffle! I guess I had better bog off! hehe IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted November 21, 2005 04:21 PM
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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll IP: Logged |
trillian
Moderator Posts: 3735
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted November 21, 2005 06:44 PM
Linda was a lot of things to a lot of people, and an inspiration to so many of us. But I believe that her work was a primer; a beginning, not an end. Don't let others do your thinking for you. Not Linda, not anyone. Hear in your heart and soul what is right. Homosexuality is not bad karma. I can't believe someone could even think that. There is nothing wrong or bad about homosexuality. It was not and is not about men trying to dominate anything or anybody. It's a physical manifestion of desires between two people of the same sex, be they male or female. Sometimes sex takes us to a higher place, sometimes it simply fulfills a body need. There is nothing wrong with what two consenting adults choose to do to each other. Watch "Fight Club." Some men like to beat each other up. Some men (and women) prefer to make love to their own sex. Just live and be happy. Or not. It's your choice. Lenny Bruce said, in effect, the only ugly thing you can do to a body is kill it. ------------------
The less I seek my source for some definitive, the closer I am to fine. -Indigo Girls IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 21, 2005 07:06 PM
even animals know that you don't use the exit door... ...IP: Logged |
26taurus
Moderator Posts: 9603
From: the stars
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted November 22, 2005 03:23 AM
Trillian, way up.  IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 127
From: the capricious clouds
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 22, 2005 08:04 AM
Hi Randall!  Trillian- absolutely! Hey, Lotusheartone- I had a bisexual pet rat once, lol! Also, my boyfriend's dog, female, occasionally gets a bit 'amorous' with his mum's female dog! lol IP: Logged |
trillian
Moderator Posts: 3735
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted November 22, 2005 08:54 AM
You are wrong, lotusheartone. I will not engage in any argument with you, because it would be a waste of my time.
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The less I seek my source for some definitive, the closer I am to fine. -Indigo Girls
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 22, 2005 11:58 AM
Trillian,Have you found God? Have you found your Truth? Do you know who you are? A shooting Star
if you care to SEE I am not wrong, I'm very strong
and that's because, I found
Mother and Father
and I'm happy
and I Love you Love and Light to ALL IP: Logged |
trillian
Moderator Posts: 3735
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted November 22, 2005 12:34 PM
God was lost? Since when?You don't have to find something that was never lost. I have happily reached a point in my life where I no longer suffer fools gladly. ------------------
The less I seek my source for some definitive, the closer I am to fine. -Indigo Girls IP: Logged |
Mystic Gemini
Knowflake Posts: 1246
From: New York City
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 22, 2005 12:46 PM
Trillian. Everything that comes out of your mouth is crap.
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trillian
Moderator Posts: 3735
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted November 22, 2005 12:52 PM
I think in this case, you mean everything from my keyboard. We don't have sound available here at LL, so you can't hear anything from my mouth, crap or otherwise. But thanks for your input; I find it invaluable.
And quite possibly the truest thing in this forum.
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The less I seek my source for some definitive, the closer I am to fine. -Indigo Girls IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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Registered: Mar 2005
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posted November 22, 2005 01:28 PM
Lotus...
You said;Quote:
even animals know that you don't use the exit door... ...Sorry...but you are so very misinformed! Animals DO USE IT! You have not paid attention or been around many animals or you would know this fact! It is VERY common!
Mostly amongst the mammals..of which humans are. This does not become an issue with fish..birds..and reptiles..(amphibians too I think) because they only have one orifice.
Eggs come from the same orifice as does the animal's excretions.
Also..contrary to popular belief...all gay men DO NOT engage in "Exit Door" as you call it, penetration.
The Heitari of ancient times used this as a form of birth control. Many folks have and do...wether they admit it or not.
Your assumptions are not based on fact.
Only humans see perversions where there are none or feel guilty because of dogmatic and or societal conditioning. If it is consentual..it is none of your business what folks do...and you have no right to judge them based on misinformation and cultural/dogmatic bias.
Also you have indicated a somewhat homophobic mindset before in referring to Alexander's love of men as being gross. You are entitled to your opinions but it is not very loving or openminded...understanding and tolerant of the perfectly normal variations of human sexuality and love.
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 22, 2005 01:50 PM
I'm relaying what Mother and Father tell me,
I am not judging, you are.
I saif to each his own, it's none of my business, all I can do is tell you what I know
I had a farm, I have 7 animals, and they don't use the back door, perhaps by accident
there is no creation, in your poop holeplain and simple, it's dirty crap, bacteria I'm scratching my head, it's right there, everything broken down is simple. your axhole is for ridding your body of waste, not a pleasure zone And you don't have to believe me, that's your free-will choice, and I wish the best
all I ask is that you look within for your own answers, so you can see too! Love and Light to ALL IP: Logged |
sue g
Knowflake Posts: 4319
From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted November 22, 2005 02:02 PM
I am cringing at the inhumanity here....there are gay people who contribute to this forum.....beautiful souls who I am very fond of........ What an ungodly society we live in when people can judge others for this.......pure evil if you ask me..... Shame on ye who are guilty....where is your compassion.....that could be one of your children one day.....  There is huge hypocrisy being shown here.....and it wouldnt hurt to show some respect for your brothers and sisters.......love and light my a*** IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 22, 2005 02:05 PM
I have gay friends
I am not judgingit's not my fault you can't see everybody has Karma we all need to help each other
this nastiness continues we're not in high school
we are intelligent caring people stop seeing just what you want to SEE
it's a whole big picture IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted November 22, 2005 06:03 PM
Hey ness! 
So are you for or against?
Or neutral?
  
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fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 2789
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Registered: Mar 2005
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posted November 22, 2005 06:09 PM
Trillian, wise words! IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 2789
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posted November 22, 2005 06:19 PM
Sue!
As usual your words show true love and understanding of the human condition.
The heart and soul and our personal choices and who we are...as long as there is love and respect there is no crime or sin...
Bigotry...persecution..homophobia..racism..
the list goes on and on! One would think that with the internet and other forms of mass communication..that these things would have gone the way of witch trials...and crucifixions!
For shame on those who feel holier than thou!
Pitiful..
Very very creepy..  
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2934
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 22, 2005 06:36 PM
keep in mind, how ridiculous this iswe are talking about our poop hole there's nothing wrong with being gay
I never said that what I am saying is _hit happens! How you can think, that going in the dirt star is OK, is really silly crap, lol IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 2789
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Registered: Mar 2005
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posted November 22, 2005 06:43 PM
ness did not bring up the subject...you did.
For that to be a foremost thought concerning gay folk...which are females also..not only males..
Well..
That says more about you than you are willing or able to admit to....The question was... "What did Linda think about homosexuality?"  END OF THE SEGUE! Back to the original question!
Thank You All!
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