posted January 08, 2007 12:05 AM
Maria, when you said, “for any offense I give, I am truly sorry,” is this your way of saying you were wrong for saying those things last year about linda? Because I don’t know what you would be truly sorry for in any case.I don’t really care what your background is, it seems as if you’re trying to impress us with you back ground, for what do your parents have to do with this subject? I really could care about those things respectively.
I want to know why you would release those words you stated last year about Linda attitude towards people without stating who told you those things. They are just hearsay and if you were really a good researcher you would have found the family and asked if those words were true, or you would have asked them info about there mother, instead you wrote things (that were negative a year ago) that hurt her family.
You say that not only Michael, but others of Linda’s family and friends, are well acquainted with your partner in this biography project, but why don’t they know you. Michael stated to me that he knows not you nor anyone else related to this project, nor that anyone was taking the time to write a biography on his mother, nor do his brother or sister. You have been working on this project for sometime, but you haven’t taken the time, nor has your partner to contact a major factor to the book…at least it should be a major piece. I can only wonder if once again you will “find” others to tell you quotes and misinterpretations of what “her Children said”
THIS IS THE BASIS OF IT ALL. You talked about her last year in no fashion that would show her as being “HUMAN” you basically just went off at the mouth about the bad things she did. I told Emily to find what she was looking for, being a curious soul, she ask many questions. She went to CE asking anyone what they knew of Linda and the children and you answered her in the most negative way. You basically said her children did not care about their mother when they did, you took words from peoples who obviously didn’t give a care and you twisted some of those words to make it seem as if her children were bad…now you want to write:
“Michael is a very good man. He knows more than you give him credit for.”
Well of course he’s a good man…He’s very intelligent and he agree with me 100%. He agree that you were wrong and he wonders, “why would someone that would speak that way about his mother, someone who says she loves his mouth, someone who could just look in the directory for his name, his brother, or sister…why wouldn’t that person just contact he or them for answers instead of write things she didn’t really know were true.
He also said, ‘if you’re going to write the book, no one can stop you, Crystal stole from his mother, why wouldn’t anyone else…BUT WHY MARIA….WHY haven’t you contact ME”
So I ask you, why haven’t you contacted the one person who spent more time with their mom than other siblings, why haven’t you gone to a clearly easy source of info, someone who sat and listened to his mother’s conversation, talked to her about all kinds of things, what’s up with that.
I am so happy you came here to discuss this “Hub-BUB,” because in all your writing, you haven’t stated why you responded to Emily (listen to trees) last year with those words and why you haven’t contacted her children.
My dear with all the research you have been doing, why haven’t you contacted the most important vessel for your book?
Could it be you were afraid they would freak out and try to stop you? Could it be you were afraid a piece of the profit would be taken away? I only ask these things, because if you haven’t contact her children, and I know you nor your partner have not….it just seems that you are taking the same road as Crystal Bush did, at least that’s what it seems like. Tell me if I am wrong?
You have written literally thousands of pieces, can you give me more than one piece, I would really like to see these other works you have done, please let me know if they are in the name Maria Baron, Mary Baron or some other name…though your writings have nothing to do with this subject.
Why haven’t you or your partner contacted Linda’s children for info to be included in your book?
If you are saving the direct interviewing of the sources who are the very nearest and dearest to the subject for a later, particular part of the process, for extremely good reason-I ask you this, were you going to tell them that you printed that someone told you that one son said “don’t call me until my mother is dead and another one said that she was nuts? Maria if you are as good of a writer and researcher as you have stated, I don’t see you telling these men that you wrote those things about their mother. No one in their right mind is going to just read your piece in CE and say, “oh we understand that you quoted someone else that told you we said those things, yes go ahead and write about our mother…we understand.”
This is the basis of this whole discussion. You or your partner, who ever that is, do you really think that topic would be pushed to the side. I don’t think anyone wants anyone writing a bio on their family member when that person states things that are not true about the siblings. But you know what, you can discuss that with him when you see him…IF you want to.
For anyone listening RIGHT NOW…if you really want to SEE and HEAR and UNDERSTAND anything….all you need to do is read words already said.
Now last year you wrote in response to Emily’s post on CE, she told me you responded and I went to read it. I was shocked that you would write those things and not put a single name down of who told you those things. Sure you said it was known that Michael said his mother was nuts, but the way you worded it…it just came out with the intent that he didn’t care about his mother, nor the older son pertaining to phone call about not calling him until she was dead. Now I read it and just let it go because I didn’t really care what you had to say there, if you were going to bad mouth her and her children, what are you showing people in your site? Now you state you are working on a piece pertaining to Linda, but last year you were ranting about her bad sides, her children and the way she treated people. I don’t think you said one good thing about her in that response, you just went on and on about her temper and such things, and you could have stopped and found out more reliable info on the matter before you responded to Emily. Of course this info was from people with no names, you stated that you were finally going to tell what you knew…you took your deep breath and wrote things as if there was some secret that we all didn’t know about Linda’s temper. The way you wrote it was to the affect of making one think “it didn’t matter about Linda nor her children”
Maria as far as the yearbook pictures….I don’t know what article you wrote on it, because I don’t frequent CE, so I have no idea what you are talking about…you see unlike you I do my research and it would never come from anything that you have written, because you have shown that you are inaccurate in your writings.
You wrote those things about Linda and the boys, but you didn’t even take the time to look them up in a directory and see if those things were true…but “I DID.” You have known those things for how long? You could have called Michael and asked what he meant by saying his mother was nuts, or you could have asked if his brother really stated for no one to call him until his mother passed on, you could have, but you didn’t and there has to be a reason for that, but you of course won’t tell us all what that reason is…right?
No, I didn’t get the yearbook info from anything with your name on it. I contacted one of Linda’s classmates, and we all know that person is not you, because your not that old.
Maria if you go to this link and read the topic “this dang picture” you will see that the info wasn’t from you, but from a contact who knew Linda, not from anything that you wrote ever. Through the discussion you will find LMB stating the person I spoke of that gave me the yearbook pictures grew up with Linda and worked with her…your not LMB too…are you? Then you would also be a moderator here and you didn’t state that in the beginning of your intro here.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000231-3.html
LMB stated: Thorshammer,
I know your contact; I contacted this person years ago and we are friends now. The yearbook picture is Linda, is Mary Alice Kemery. If some choose not to believe, all right, but I know the contact was a real friend and confidant of Linda's - both in high school and in her early days at the radio station.
love and light,
LMB
if you want to email me, you can at lmb@linda-goodman.com
i think that still works.
This contact is not you. I got nothing from you and I wouldn’t get anything from you because I truly think your not dependable with info.
These are the emails that I and the person Linda went to school with. They took place on April 15, 2005, I have left initial for name…I mean anyone can go on the internet and find this person if they really wanted to…no need to hide what I find. I bring great gifts (in my opinion) to my brothers and sisters, but before I bring them I make sure they are correct.
Emails between myself and “J”
Sorry to disappoint you, but I do not have much information re Linda or Sam. Sam was working as DJ at our station, and when Mary Alice started there, I introduced her to Sam. I was there only a short time afterwards and left for a job in television. I kept track of them for awhile, learned that they had both left the radio station, and were working in Pittsburgh where they later married.
I lost track then, and years later realized that she had become famous after writing "Sun Signs."
She was a lovely, intelligent lady, and a very capable employee. Glad you're keeping her memory alive.
-js-
Mr. S
Thank you very much for your response. Just Knowing that you worked with them and were apart of that wonderful work crew; for who would know that she would go on to write all those books and mention Sam also, making his name immortal in peoples minds all over the world!!!
Thank you for your kind words in response to my reply .
Actually, Kelly, I do know a little more about Linda than I told you before. I assume you're familiar with "Gooberz." On page 14, she says, "...then he would sit with me for awhile, as I ate to watch the windmill go round and round the one on top of the service station across the street." Here's a picture of that windmill service-station.
I must ask for your promise NOT to reveal to anyone where you get this information re Linda. You can post the stuff on your web-site....but do not make any mention of its origin. I do not want to get involved in what I know would be a overwhelming amount of e-mail, phone calls, etc....and I just do not want that. I assure you anything I give to you or say to you is true. May I ask if you are old enough to have seen Linda on TV, or read her books as they were published....or did you learn of her after you grew up?
Mr. See,
I wish that I had gotten that email from you earlier. I did post your first response to me on the page. But I have told the others that you do NOT want to be bothered with any kind of email what so ever, so You shouldnt get any. It’s not my web site, but a site dedicated to Linda, I am just a member on there. I would not worry, they are a quiet bunch and very interesting. I dont know if you have heard, but there is a big controversy about Lindas birthdate, she never wanted to give it out, and many people have speculated over what it is. some want to know, and others would rather that no one know for the sake of Lindas say so.
I appreciate your efforts in getting my ID out of the post. Whatever I send, it will be through you, and it can be posted if you wish, but please do not reveal where you got it. I just don't want to deal with some who would try any way possible to get information from me regarding Linda, and I don't want to be bothered to that extent. You might like this photo. It's Linda's graduation picture from her yearbook (1943.) I enlarged it some, and it's a little grainy, but this is what she looked like when she was 17. I know she was born in Morgantown, but she would just not talk about birthdays. From Gooberz, I know it was in April, but the specific date is not really known. Her birth certificate is not on file in this county.
BTW, Her father was Robert Kemery and her mother was Annette. He drove a truck route for a local bakery. Linda was an only child.
That out of body experience you had is really fascinating. I listen to George Noory's "Coast to Coast" overnight....and am always so interested the stories of people who have experiences like that.
on the site I ran into trouble, no one beleives that the picture you gave me of linda at age 17 is really her. they're all comparing recent photos, still shots and such. What I see is a young girl, in the other pictures I see a woman, not a girl. so I am not going to argue with them, for I believe that your picture is true and worthy.
You see why I hesitate to get involved in this. Doesn't matter what you post, somebody's gonna claim you're lying. Maybe this will help. As you may, or may not know, the first eight cantos of "Gooberz" is all autobiographical. She names names of friends...most of them I also knew, and real places and real happenings. Since I had a "steady" girl all through hi-school, I did not run too much with her crowd then. I came into the picture later on, in the early 50's. But, that's another story. On page 48 of "Goobers," second paragraph from the top, she names six girls who were special friends. I've sent 4 pictures, taken from the yearbook. I did not include the entire page, but each has 3 rows of 3 pictures. The first is Mary Alice herself. She turned 18 in April, 1943, and the pictures for the yearbook were taken in Feb. and March, so she was 17. The two others have pictures of two of her friends mentioned. Carolyn Fay and Mary Jean Corbitt. The fourth is the fly-leaf from the yearbook. Am sending these in two groups, so the files will not take as long to load. I don't know what else to tell you. Of course, she was a girl then, but I can see the woman she became. Not sure too many others even WANT to.
Here are the other two pictures...of Carolyn Fay and the fly-leaf from her yearbook, where these pictures came from
I feel that I put you in a spot that I should not have, but I am so happy that you gave me that ammo of love. I say Ammo of love, because I think those guys needed a dose of reality. Linda was a beautiful woman (from the pictures that we see), those pictures are of coures Public Relations, the ones on the books.
mail.yahoo.com
I thank you for those very kind words. I hope the additional pictures I sent will clarify the situation...although I doubt it. None are so blind as those who WILL NOT see. Could you do me a favor? For the first few times, that "Yahoo Photo" address you sent me, that has the pictures came up...but now it shows it as being unavailable, and the window says to check with owner of file. Is there any way you can allow me access to those pictures? I don't know why it allowed me access at first, but now won't. I can't get any other window in that site to open. In any event, could you re-send that address. I moved the other one into my "favorites" file...and maybe that had something to do with why it won't open. Thanks. –
j-
so you see, I didn’t get any info pertaining to anything you have ever wrote, though now I am curious to see what you are talking about since you haven’t posted a link for me to read like the other things you did above. And if you wrote a piece on linda and the “yearbook” did YOU put any pictures of her from the book on CE….?
Though talking to “J” I was still skeptically, I wanted the truth to be known, so I ordered the year book to make sure that those things said to me were true, the people and the contacts and I talked to some people in Morgantown who knew Linda, of course they all couldn’t’ be lying, so all that was told to me was true.
So my Maria, I got nothing from you nor did I turn any story you wrote around called it mine. The year book find was so magical and not even connected to anything, I just wrote a very nice old man and asked him what he knew of Linda and Sam and he was nice enough to send me those shots of she and her friends.
I am laughing here, because if you did write anything pertaining to a year book where were the pictures?
Now my AGENDA: My agenda is to question anyone who one year talks crap about a person I truly care about. You, if anyone knows that Linda’s words are pure, it shouldn’t matter IF she was angry at people and shot out at them…there is a reason for everything and as michael stated, she didn’t trust people, and people who said they would be there for her, people in Cripple Creek, they never came through, of course she would act a certain way toward those coming to her door.
You didn’t even try to find out the truth, you just wrote to your heart’s content what you had heard…from unreliable sources. You started this a year ago with your words and now you come out saying you’re writing a book on her….what’s going to be in it…things about her faults?
My agenda is to try and stop anything that looks suspicious and ruthless in touching this woman’s name again in some crappy way. Crystal’s ways won’t come again….not this way. You say that you didn’t’ trust her, but your actions seem to be going the same way as hers.
Maria I haven’t written any books yet, and as far as I can see, from what you have written, neither have you. Of course if you did write a book, you would tell us all right? I meant under another name? You stated,
“I think you also may not understand that oftentimes it is best for factual writers to save direct interviewing of the sources who are the very nearest and dearest to the subject for a later, particular part of the process, for extremely good reasons.”
I don’t know if that’s so true. I see a woman that took another woman’s name and wrote a book and didn’t even think to give proceeds or collaborate with her children about that book. She wrote the book with another person, had it published and THEN others from the Woman’s family found out…when it was too late.
Is this not the same stance? The correct thing would have been to contact this woman’s siblings and said, “I want to write a book about your mother, a honest book and I need your INPUT NOW (not after you have heard unreliable truths) to start this. If you had talked to Michael or any of the others, you would have gotten your solid foundation…then when others stated, “one son said this or that,’ you would have had the info to say, “no that’s not true.”
That is the way a writer does things. They notified the loved one’s of their intentions and then they START on their journey not the other way.
Now its been brought up that a writer has the choice to give any proceeds to other family members for work done on a deceased loved one. I do agree with that…in some situations, but not in this one. Of course this is my opinion, you can write the book and keep everything for yourself, its not up to me or anyone to stop you, but we can state our say in what ever form we want…I only ask you this…do you not think it’s a good gesture to do that?
Crystal did everything the opposite of Linda, many people say it was because she was a business woman…BS, she was greedy and her grace fell hard, she was introduced to Greg by Kathleen Mcgowan and they got rid of her quickly by calling her a looney and such, but that so called Looney is the one still holding on to dreams and books here and more to come, I find that Karma so tickling and from Crystal to Greg to you…I say shouldn’t that weak root be broken off and started again to grow stronger?
I guess its just me and my ways, to try to find the truth out for the core and then give back to those that should have been given much in the beginning, but that’s just me.
That’s my only agenda Maria Baron. I don’t need to write Linda’s bio to make a profit, there are things that she wrote about, things she kept alive from those before her that are so much precious, those are the things I would write about, not her.
Whatever the case I know I am right in my words…whether you think I am throwing spears….I prefer hammers though…I am. Anyone who really cared…they would do the same thing, and even though there are those here that think I should bury it, that its childish, there are more that think I shouldn’t and if one of those is Linda Goodman’s Child…that’s the best hammer I can throw at anyone.
Good luck with your book, I hope you find truths and not just unreliable words running backwards on the wind.
Lindaland
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