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maklhouf
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posted March 02, 2004 04:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And maybe say why you chose your name. In a lexigram, perhaps?
But don't feel obliged.

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maklhouf
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posted March 02, 2004 04:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And maybe say why you chose your name. In a lexigram, perhaps?
But don't feel obliged.

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maklhouf
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posted March 13, 2004 05:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... Well... I'm surprised ... I really thought I had my miracle at last, but obviously it's one thing to find your miracle and quite another to persuade it to alight in your guestbook.
One thing I have found is Linda Goodman's peice on the North v South. It is on page 299 of Star Signs, "Forgotten melodies".
quote: "The north will always be victorious over the south," Her reason being, as far as I can gather, that water drains anti-clockwise in the South.

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The secret of a long life is knowing when it's time to go.
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Randall
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posted March 14, 2004 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good info for court cases (sit on the North side).

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maklhouf
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posted March 29, 2004 10:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did someone say they wanted to party with like-minded people?
www.live4ever.com

Bernadeane used to have similar views to linda on overpopulation, but now she has turned her back on romance

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posted March 30, 2004 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark

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maklhouf
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posted June 01, 2004 04:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The oldest woman in the world just died at 114. Seems she really did die of old age. But why now? The accepted wisdom is that nature controls population by installing biological clocks in all our heads, that switch on puberty, menstruation, aging and death. Does anyone have any thoughts on biological clocks?

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maklhouf
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posted June 05, 2004 06:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have noticed a couple of threads bemoaning the missing Talaith.I don't know if she has turned up, but I have a feeling my posting of March 29, here, may give a clue to her whereabouts.

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batgirl
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posted June 19, 2004 12:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mmm . . .one of my favorite subjects

on the only using 30% of earth--i would prefer to have the other 70% to walk around on, rather than wade through human bodies!

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batgirl
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posted June 19, 2004 12:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i also think it's sadistic to bring children into this world as it is; i wouldnt want it done to me

no offense to parents who dont see it this way

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maklhouf
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posted June 21, 2004 05:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, batgirl.
Nice to meet another poet. I very much welcome your input.

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batgirl
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posted June 21, 2004 06:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
maybe i should start writing poetry again. i convinced myself it all sucked so i stopped

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maklhouf
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posted June 22, 2004 05:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
with poetry less is definitely more. You should never write anything until you really can't stop yourself and then it writes itself.

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quiksilver
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posted June 24, 2004 08:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When one thinks of over population (which, I agree with Randall that the idea is truly a fallacy at this point), it is interesting to notice that other galaxies have been left entirely undiscussed. The cosmos seem infinite, the possibilities endless. If we are true explorers as a race, and further this pursuit of discovery of other worlds, we can see that in fact it seems we are under populated, in relation to the vastness of the universe. We are but one tiny planet.
I think that it is high time we cease to view ourselves in such a limited capacity. Ultimately, our destiny is to become CREATORS in our own rights. Who is to say that one day we will not be able to create planets of our own volition? You know that saying, WORLDS WITHOUT END? But we seem to be too busy feeling small on Earth, spending far too much time chiding ourselves over its misuse, rather than coming closer to the realization that we will one day very well be able to create as many "earths" as we like..... THINK BIG!!

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maklhouf
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posted June 25, 2004 04:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello quiksilver,
I am glad people are coming over here and having their say on this subject. People's opinion seems to depend very much on where they live. I understand that in America it is still possible to find virgin territory, clear a patch of forest and build yourself a palace. That is a distant dream in England. I don't know what they would make of it Tokyo!

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maklhouf
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posted June 26, 2004 06:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Think Big", "explore the galaxy" is fine. But you are already being elitist when you say that. By harnessing the space race to your argument you are right away admitting that your goal of physical immortality for all cannot be acheived. Because so many have already died at the beginning of that race and many more are likely to die in the future, if you should acheive your settlement in the stars one day, it will be at the expense of their sacrifice. Its that poor little Russian dog I feel sorry for.

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quiksilver
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posted June 26, 2004 08:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Malkouf,

I don't have a goal of physical immortality, really. I think it is possible but I am not trying to pursue that in this life per se. Also, I don't agree with the idea of a "space race". Why must exploration be competitive? Why can't we all join forces to achieve a common goal? The fact that humans have seemingly not been able to do this thus far is more of a testimony to certain lackings in people. However, these human lackings do not mean that the idea itself (that is, space exploration or creation) is flawed. The people are flawed. Also, I think we have a different viewpoint as far as death is concerned. I do not believe that anyone really dies. Maybe they do not retain their physical form but I think that the soul, or whatever you'd like to call it, remains. I also believe in the idea of reincarnation. So to me, "dying" as I see it, is not really dying. I have an aunt right now who is suffering from pancreatic cancer. It is almost certain she will not survive it. I am very sad that this disease has visited her at such a stage of life because she is still relatively young and has so many more things that she would like to do. I will also miss her very much. But I do not feel that her dying is a loss because I do not think that dying is the "end". So, it is harder for me to relate to your feelings right now on the subject because of this. I can certainly appreciate where you are coming from though, since I didn't always have such views on death. This has only been a relatively recent development....
I don't know if I've addressed your comments to your satisfaction or better understanding but this is what I think. And I appreciate your thoughts as well...

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maklhouf
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posted June 28, 2004 04:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are making lots of assumptions about me quiksilver. I don't think there is any point in trying to address what you mistakenly think I am saying, but I heard Uri Geller say something fantastic the other day. He said it was just as exciting to explore the galaxies of inner space, i.e., behind the head of a match. What do you think of that?

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quiksilver
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posted June 30, 2004 08:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did not assuming anything. I responded to your comments to the best of my ability. But I did feel that you were assuming when you implied that I am being some sort of elitist. If you think I am assuming something about you, just say what it is, and let's clear the air on it. If you think I am misunderstanding something, the last thing you should do is let it slide. How can I learn anything about you or where you are coming from if you're not willing to elaborate? That's really why I come to this site. I don't post just to hear myself talk in my own head. What fun is that? I want to find out what you think too. But I can't make you tell me. That is always up to you.....

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quiksilver
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posted June 30, 2004 09:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh--- forgot to address your question.. Exploring galaxies behind the head of a match. It sounds pretty far out. I wish I was more scientifically inclined so that I would be able to fully appreciate this. There is much to be found in the world of the "unseen". I read that 2 universities have discovered how to teleport the properties of an atom just recently. NOw that is cool!!!!

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maklhouf
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posted July 01, 2004 06:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is very difficult to deal with assumptions and implications. I find it quite difficult to talk to women for instance, because they are always trying to get to the back of what they want to think you are REALLY saying.
I rather regret coming to the Linda Goodman fanzine and posting these unwelcome questions. It is very bad manners, but there really does not seem to be anywhere else to ask them.
I try all the time to examine what I am saying and to choose my words carefully so that I am saying exactly what I mean. It is also very important to respect other people's right not to understand me.
I suspect that deep down we all know the world is over-populated, but the trouble is: it is filling up with "them", whereas we would like it to contain more of "us".

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Old is the tree, and the fruit good,
Very old and thick the wood.
Woodman, is your courage stout?
Beware! the root is wrapped about
Your mother's heart, your father's bones....
And like the mandrake comes with groans.
Robert Louis Stevenson

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quiksilver
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posted July 01, 2004 08:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right. I have no idea where you're coming from. And since you are lacking in the desire to explain yourself, I guess I'll never know. Of course I want to get at what you're REALLY saying. Should I want to be getting at what you're NOT really saying? What's the point in that? But I know that my observations are unwelcome so I'll be going now..... and will not be troubling anyone with any more posts to this thread....

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maklhouf
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posted July 02, 2004 06:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your observations were not unwelcome at all. But your reaction certainly makes me glad I did not waste any energy trying to explain myself to you.
Oh I was also going to say: I too am struggling to confront the possible imminent demise of a close family member. It's a total ***** , isn't it? Goodness, can't you even say b!tch?

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merlinesque
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posted December 14, 2004 03:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few years ago when I read that particular sentence where Linda comments that over-population wouldn't be a problem, I couldn't decipher in my mind how that could be so. That Immortals could have children, no one ever die, and yet there not be any over-population. But I had faith I'd find the answer... six years later that comment no longer seems like a riddle.
When you look at Immortals and their control over space and time...how their bodies are now made of a much finer substance...it becomes apparent.

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