posted October 07, 2005 03:40 PM         

the question of sex while walking the path is very interesting to me. i know in star signs that a good way to quit smokign cigarettes is sexual union with someone you love. it also say any forms of pornography and sexual promiscuity must be dropped because it creates blockages to the twin soul.

so obviously sex isn't forbade, but it is something that can be bad if not used in proper context. i dont believe sex should be played out in roles, and that when it is (dominate passive), there are subconscious beliefs that lead one to allow such passiveness in their love making, or such aggression. im not saying that is wrong. sex is a great way to learn about the unspoken fears and unspoken frustration that each of us may possess.

but for someone who is immortal right now, perhaps these thoughts would be most pertinent. thus your responses would also be most helpful. the point of immortality as i see it, is the elongating of life so that we can learn the final leg of our journey in a single bound, as opposed to smaller steps. the difference in this life and other lives where immortality may not have been an option is that now our souls are "Quickened" to the facts of reality, and we realize our goal.

from what i understand our goal is to completely free ourselves of physical desires. so that our minds may not be engaged in this physical matrix. once we turn away from physical lusts to the joy of eternity with our maker, then we are truly free. i believe that would be the ascension that is spoken of in scripture in regards to the partitioning of the bodies of christ throughout the world.

gandhi even stopped sexual contact with his wife during the final 30 or so years of his life in his pursuit of seeing god face to face. if we have a love for someone that is shared and we're still in human form is sex even with a partner lustful? i could see how it would be, because it is of the physical- on that http://www.jhershierra.com site, in the forums it says that chastity is like a pre requisite to truly being immortal. on the other hand i feel that jhershierra or whoever talks about immortality like something she just stumbled upon like a 20 dollar bill on a sidewalk.

its all very frustrating to think about honestly. i want a love with somebody- some BODY, and i also want union with god. im guessing i cant have both at the same time blahhhhhhhhhhhh true union with god, where the silver cord is cut and we glow ourselves. does freewill indicate that we can do this when we'd like to as long as we stay out of sin? is lusting after your girlfriend or wife a sin? is making love to your wife or girlfriend different from lusting after them.

i think ive complicated this all. perhaps some people closer than i could relate their thoughts

posted October 07, 2005 04:18 PM         

You spoke many truths
Patience is a virtue
it's reward
Paitence
hehe

I have been alone for a very long time
yet
my silver cord to my twin
keeps me going
I know eventually
through scarifice, no lust, no sin
we will be reunited
I kNOW this

You will come to know God, with your twin
that's the stage we're at
Finding Our Half to complete US

Help us find ouR way
Home

I loved what you wrote
very deep
and insightful

God Bless you on your
JOURNEY
NEAR JOY

posted October 07, 2005 10:11 PM         

SECKS:

Simple Exercises Calculated to Keep you Smiling

posted October 08, 2005 12:17 AM         

of course, I would love that
lotusheartone@axion.ca

posted October 08, 2005 11:24 AM         

I really don't understand why Sex is always seperated and distinguised from romantic Love in people's minds...when in any given moment it could be expressed together. I think this 'seperating' is what has caused so many guilt and shame for eons now.
We come from the act of SEX!
That's what brought us here...
it seems there is a such an awesomely Mystical Mystery staring us in the face in that realization. When we deny or suppress our desires...we are denying natural parts of ourselves. Denying God? God's greatest gifts to us are Acceptance...and Freedom.
So why do we not accept ourselves...and limit ourselves? Even God doesn't do that to us.

Lotus, only because I am concerned...
do you think that your expectations of people could be a bit high? There are so many Beautiful people out there...and all have their faults, which only serves to make them more beautiful. It just is sad to me that you could possibly be closing yourself off to a wonderful experience by holding out for perfection from a Twin.

posted October 08, 2005 11:33 AM         

Very good questions
I'm 39
Got married at 23
divorced at 33
had some fun
sex as you would call it

but, sex without true Love
is a sin
a use of someone's body temple, physical
lust and pleasure
really no soul connection at all
only a physical need
if you choose to believe
you are right on this
it will just take you longer to find your twin

Making LOVE is for the soul
and God

Sex is for the animal
in US

When you really know the
TRUTH

you will know you have always just been
connected to one another
since the separation
due to
Original Sin

posted October 08, 2005 12:05 PM         

was the shame in their natural humanity.

posted October 08, 2005 12:16 PM         

No Lialei.....but mere mortals do......and many other things which could be interpreted as ungodly....isnt that why the world is in the state it is at present....

....and isnt it usually the ones who are not partaking in a sexual relationship that take this stance......mmmm....I wonder?

What of those that dont ever meet their twin, does that mean a life of abstinence.....nah I dont think so....and maybe some need to try out a few "potential" twins before they get the right one????

I really dont get this at all.....it feels like religious dogma to me....something like the catholic church preach and then has on its hands generations of represssed men and women......!!!! Not healthy, and not for EVERYONE, maybe the odd one or two who arent that sexually orientated!!

My mother used to say to me "we must resist temptation". I said to her once..."mum, is there something you really love like chocolate or wine and if so, would you be prepapred to give it up for a long long time"....she just looked at me....and I said "well, for some people sex is very important...." she didnt answer me!

Love to all

Sue xxx

posted October 08, 2005 12:23 PM         

we are all gods and goddesses
this is the
TRUTH

posted October 08, 2005 02:27 PM         

One quick thought: Who did Jesus put most of his energy into? No, it wasn't those who had felt they had unraveled the mystery of the ages...nor those who felt they knew the Truth and were therefore above in morality.
It was the beggars, the thieves, the prostitutes. Why do you think that is? Because they needed help the most?
No...it was because they had the most potential. For they had embraced their own humanity; unashamedly faced it and not denied that part of themselves...and so were open...more receptive to learning and receiving new enlightenments.

posted October 08, 2005 03:17 PM         

Your humility shines through for all to see.....

posted October 09, 2005 12:01 PM         

Lotus, I do appreciate you telling a little bit of your own story. We all have our own story and things are not always as easily read as they appear. Truthfully, when I do read your Magic Room thread, it pains me to read your emotion. And this is because I do understand such feelings...believe all of us do.
I am certainly not urging people to go out and have sex with every friendly person they meet. I do believe it is a Sacred Act too, as well as everything else it could be.
I was entirely faithful to my husband and even since we've been apart these past months, I haven't done more than 'fool around' with anyone. There were a couple of very close calls. One especially with a man whom I've been very good friends with for more than 20 years. We had a brief connection when we were both young before we met our spouses...and during the turmoil of the beginning stages of my seperation, he comforted my tears in such a tender way.

Things were revealed...that he had longed for me for years and years...had been jealous when I met my husband. I found his gentleness and sensitivity so extremely enticing and tempting(he's Pisces with a Cancer Moon), especially because it was something that I had longed for in another so much but been deprived of in my marriage for so long.

We did come very close...but stopped just short of penetration.
I just couldn't let my own desires hurt anyone, and he is married with a lovely little boy.
So, since we have talked we've accepted this extreme attraction as something that we can't help, but also something that we can't pursue. We embraced, told each other we Love each other and always will be friends.

I just use this as an example to show you that just because I believe in Freedom of Sex, I do have Integrity and in the end don't let Desires completely override my sense of compassion for others. Things just aren't always so simple with people.
There aren't Sinners and not Sinners.
Things and beliefs that may be perceived as Sins, are complex and multi-layered...and in the end it is only the Purity of Intent that matters. And this is a private acknowledgement between a person and God.

I'm not sure if I believe in a 'Twin'. But there is a longing of an ideal mystical connection...always has been there within me.
But, I've just come to a point in life, where I release this desire...knowing more than likely it is something that cannot be attained, nor ever flourish in this restrictive life here, where there are too many ego-distractions and a familiarity that time steals away.
This kind of Soul-Connection I believe I did find...and it was ruined. And I thought I would end my own life, I was so devistated from it.
I don't want to go through that again. I want connection with another...but I will not ever expect an Ideal Lover. I will feel gratitude in whatever person gifts me with their heart and intimacy. And in the mean time, if I do feel chemistry and care for anyone else, perhaps I will do more. I can't say just yet. But...I choose happiness over misery. I'm done with all of that.

posted October 09, 2005 12:15 PM         

Expect A Miracle
or 2 or
three
and so on, so on, so on... ...

hehe

posted October 09, 2005 01:30 PM         

All I would most hope for...because in itself it would be an extremely rare find in the world...is a man who has an understanding and nonjudgemental acceptance. Who can understand that a woman is really multi-faceted and can have a Loving and Innocent Heart and at the same time be a very Sensual and Explorative Sexual Being.
Someone who would not judge me as a ***** for my more passionate fantasies (involving toys, domination/submission, etc.). Nor think me weird for my enjoyment and indulgence of my own breasts ...hey, since I seem to only attract hip/ass men, this actually works out to be a good balance. He focusing on one end and I...:blush: )

The men here at LL seem to have an understanding of this, but kept in mind they are an exception to the norm of men who seperative women into 'good girls' and '****** '.

Makes me think of the Eagle lyrics:

I've been searching for the daughter of the Devil himself
I've been looking for an Angel in White
I've been waiting for a woman who's a little of both
and I can feel her, but she's no where in sight.

posted October 09, 2005 02:44 PM         

You sound like my sort of woman.....pity I aint a bloke hey LOL.........

posted October 09, 2005 03:11 PM         

I have tried to send 3 emails
sorry I can't get through

could you send one more
please

posted October 09, 2005 09:59 PM         

once you can answer the questions as to why you need to feel dominating, and why you need to feel passive when it comes to the language of love then you will no longer need the physical to feel love.

posted October 10, 2005 05:44 AM         

Not everyones, I feel........

and what about the FUN in lovemaking.....harmless game playing adds to the enjoyment, surely......I still believe LUST with someone you truly love and are meant to be with isnt wrong.....how can it be......it keeps the relationship......exciting and A L I V E.........some of us very passionate ones choose that !!!!!

posted October 10, 2005 04:00 PM         

every relationship we have is a reflection of ourselves. it will reflect something to ourselves that we are 'missing' in a sense, or wish we had... that is a healthy relationship- self denegrating relationships are different. i digress. when two souls are on near perfect planes (let's say two twin souls who are near completion), there is no such thing as lust because they realize the presence of the other is the highest joy, not their bodies. fleshy releases of tension such as sex are necessary until it is realized how to release all energy back into the world, as opposed to putting it into activities that serve yourself or just your partner, in a small circle like that. give yourself to your partner, your partner gives right back- now what if your partner was Iam and you gave your energy to every person in the world- not seeking instant self gratifcation... let's say a much bigger circle that has good effects leading back to you in a less 1-2-3 time oriented fashion. dont you think that the Iam would regard that as service and push you further along the path- perhaps revealing your twin to you? and dont you also believe that one would become spiritually perfected as far as one could be without their twin through service to god- by serving his other less advanced children?

and passion does not necessarily mean submission to physical pleasures. passion means doing anything to accomplish your goals. what are your goals in spirituality? passion means doing anything to feed yourself...do you believe you know how to feed yourself best, or do you have faith that god does? and i dont just mean food. if you feel that sex with a partner is what you NEED. then you wont question why you are doing it- **** , you NEED it. question what you would do without something you feel you need- its in that gap that the rest of your Self lies.

i know i didn't answer every nook and cranny of your question,

but let me try a lightning round:

"it isn't everyone's goal" to experience love of everyone equally because it is still their goal to express love fully to their Self- through their s-elf.

and the "fun" in the lovemaking. fun is a momentary pleasure- suffering is a part of this path, and joy is its reward. you will find joy if your heart lies in the spiritual not the physical- they're both before you simultaneously. you just have to choose.

harmless game playing in sex is just an inverted pole to the harmful character traits (selfish or self-denegrating) that have not been ironed out or understood within the Self- through the s-elf. harmless game playing like what- i play the helpless one while you play the dominator. or perhaps the other way around... where is the pride if you play the victim. where do you get your joy if you're the aggressor- in bossing people around or pleasing your organs with disregard for the victim beneath you?

Lust with anything that is in the physical will lead you away from that which is beyond the physical. if you need your lover's body then why do you need your lover. what emotional gap is being filled. if one's lust with someone kept a relationship A L I V E would that relationship stand without lust? would you stand without that relationship? the answers are there, the question why is not- it is being clouded by passion.

let's play more. we all have much learning to do.

i wont lie, i think it's time for linda-goodman.com to be a site for spiritual advancment not just a place for spiritual pats on the back.

SEX IS FINE. HAVE SEX. JUST ASK WHY WHY WHY WHY WHYWHYWHWYWHWYWHERSKAJLdf.s,fvzl;kx

much love, sorry to be harsh, but i realize that the idea of not having sex for some people is just way too over the top and its kinda like, ok god, ill be a servant and student but i aint given up no sex

other topics that are great for spiritual understanding that dont include some closely held personal beliefs such as sex could include "What it means to be a black person in America", or "how music is a reflection of society as well as a catalyst"

blickity blah peace and <3

posted October 10, 2005 04:46 PM         

Well apart from the obvious reaons that I stated (and it does feeeeeel so good).......we wouldnt be amazingly blessed with out beautiful 6 year old son......unless of course there is another way to conceive and I dont know about it..........!!!!!!!!!

And I didnt think you harsh.......just sharing your opinion, which doesnt happen to match mine.......no problem.......I find it a strange belief.....maybe I just need to evolve a bit more......give me another thousand years or so and I will probably knock the sexual stuff on the head......although.......thinking about it, I doubt it.....LOL (what do you expect I AM a sexy Scorpio woman)!!!!!!!!!!

posted October 10, 2005 04:50 PM         

Relax girl, I am very happy in my sexual body, I am also very spiritual, in touch with the crown chakra as well as the base one......honestly.......it is a great balance..!!

Also of course, sex helps you to keep young, and active and leaves a sparkle in yer eye......