posted September 03, 2007 02:21 AM         

Lotus, remember... you always proclaim forgiveness.

Not everyone engaged in voting.
Not everyone wanted a private site.
AG himself made it clear that he'd be willing to be more open to others.

But then, we've been over that so many times.

AG has been a respectful and courteous Knowflake and upkept regulations of conduct here...even moreso. He's kind and helpful to others. He has done nothing to deserve ongoing harrassment.

Yeah, he can be a little cocky sometimes.
But he's good-hearted and honest.
Not the letch he's being made out to be.

There...did my usual bit.

Can I expect to meet you all back here again in a couple of months?

C'mon,
We shouldn't be enemies here.
There's enough of that already going around the world.

posted September 03, 2007 03:36 AM         

I ditto what Dulce Luna said. Can we just drop the KS thing for good? KS is like the guys in the Friday the 13th and Halloween movies, it never dies. Just when you think it is dead it comes back to life. Although KS has many more sequels than those movies did. And you know that the sequels are never as good as the original movie.

1. People do not apologize by force or because someone tells them to. They apologize when they feel they should and when they feel there is something they should apologize for. Not because someone else feels there is something they should apologize for. It's a conscience thing and we each have to follow our own conscience.

2. People who forgive let go and move on. When someone keeps bringing up the past that is a sign they have not truly forgiven. It's easy to say the words but true forgiveness is shown by never bringing up the past to the person you have forgiven.

So let's all just TRULY forgive, let go and move on. Please!!!

I am sure that writesomething has adequately been reminded of why she left LL in the first place.

posted September 03, 2007 11:00 AM         

Right now, its about respect.

The one thing I really admired about you Mirandee (now I'm taking this from memory) is that you when you discovered KS, you looked around saw it wasn't for you and left.
That is exactly the stance I expect anybody who loves lindaland to take.

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I'm Sorry but I am like the mother who stays on her kid's butt and insists that he grow up and take responsibility for his actions. Otherwise he'll repeat the mistake.....lalalinda

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posted September 03, 2007 12:29 PM         

I noticed the rolleyes icon and AG should not have responded to your post to someone else that way. It only invited a negative response. I think AG realizes that?

I totally admire your loyalty and devotion to the friends that you have stated in the past were hurt by the KS thing and to Randall and LL. I think that perhaps you and AG could work this out in private if he understood that what motivates you is your intention to help him and especially your fierce loyalty to friends, Randall and LL. I do understand that is what makes KS a sore spot for you because you feel that it was disloyal to Randall and his site.

On the other hand loyalty to friends is what AG has stated many, many times is what motivated him to establish KS in the first place. It was his loyalty to a friend that was going to leave LL and to other friends that prompted him to establish a site in the first place. It was also his loyalty and concern for those friends who he knew to be private individuals that hastily prompted him to delete the site when things exploded here at LL regarding KS. He has stated that he should not have acted so hastily but thought it through before deleting the site and that he understood how you and others could see that as his hiding something. AG has stated it was not he, but a few of his friends who wanted the site private and at invite only. In hindsight he has stated he should not have given into that. Not all of the members of KS liked the voting idea and AG did not like it himself and those that did not like the voting for membership at KS did not participate in it.

Loyalty is a very admirable quality and it has it's roots in love. Loyalty is the common ground that you and AG have as a base to work things out, Lynda. It's the common ground that motivates you both when it comes to KS. It's also why I love and respect both you and AG.

The difference is that you feel that KS was a disloyal act on AG's part because of LL and Randall. AG does not feel it was disloyal to Randall and LL and that his still being here at LL more than shows his loyalty and devotion to the site and his respect for the webmaster here. He also expresses that respect and loyalty, as Lia pointed out, by attempting always to hold to the rules of LL that Randall placed on the site when he established it.

KS might be laid to rest if you and AG got together in private email and used that common ground of loyalty as your base to come to see the other person's viewpoint. You both might also come to see what I see. That you are both beautiful souls with only good intentions.

posted September 03, 2007 01:35 PM         

I have no desire to work this out privately, acoustic has offended lindaland as a collective group. This concerns all of us.

In case nobody has noticed, acoustic is a very opinionated person. There is no way he is going to let a half a dozen people tell him how and what to do. That's just not going to happen, he will use them as an excuse if it should ever come to light
just like he's doing now.

The most important point that has been made here is that acoustic has no remorse, he doesn't consider KS a mistake. I think he is sorry/****** that he got caught, I know he doesn't like when I bring it up.

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AG does not feel it was disloyal to Randall and LL and that his still being here at LL more than shows his loyalty and devotion to the site and his respect for the webmaster here...Mirandee

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That's not loyality, He is here because there is no better LG site.
He follows the rules because he knows if he doesn't
He's out of here.

posted September 03, 2007 02:12 PM         

You've seen over and over and over again that it doesn't offend everyone here. Even people who weren't a part of KS like Mirandee and Lioneye said that it didn't bother them at all. This time when you bring it up people like Dulce Luna and MK tell you once again to get some perspective. They weren't part of KS either. I'm not being stubborn just to be stubborn. I'm being stubborn, because I literally didn't do anything wrong.

It doesn't bother me that you keep bringing it up. Each time you bring it up what do you get? People wondering why you can't seem to let it go. That doesn't reflect poorly on me. It reflects poorly on you that you have this inability to move on, and instead feel compelled to keep instigating argument.

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There is no way he is going to let a half a dozen people tell him how and what to do. That's just not going to happen, he will use them as an excuse if it should ever come to light just like he's doing now.

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I don't even understand the second sentence.

It is true that half a dozen people aren't going to dictate to me what to do. Just like half a dozen people asking you why you can't drop it doesn't seem to have an effect on you.

I'm not going to leave because of half a dozen people don't care for me. I contribute as much or more than all of these people, so it wouldn't make sense would it? Especially when you consider how many people do enjoy my presence.

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The most important point that has been made here is that acoustic has no remorse, he doesn't consider KS a mistake. I think he is sorry/****** that he got caught, I know he doesn't like when I bring it up.

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I've been saying that since the beginning, LLL. Why would you think it would magically change?

I'm not at all sorry or p!ssed that KS was found. It doesn't affect me. It only affects you few who want to hold on to it. You bringing it up, as I said previously only looks bad for you, because it makes you seem petty.

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He follows the rules because he knows if he doesn't
He's out of here.

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posted September 03, 2007 02:29 PM         

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It doesn't bother me that you keep bringing it up. Each time you bring it up what do you get? People wondering why you can't seem to let it go. That doesn't reflect poorly on me. It reflects poorly on you that you have this inability to move on, and instead feel compelled to keep instigating argument....acoustic

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I wouldn't call it instigating an argument
(although you can)
I would call it exposing a fraud

posted September 03, 2007 02:57 PM         

You've tried pinning this Scarlet Letter on me so many times now. Are you that smart that you know better than everyone else? Are your powers of judgment superior to everyone else's? Are the people who stand up for me just ignorant @sses? How many people are you reaching and converting through this campaign? How many read my response to you, and decide for themselves that your campaign is just a silly notion?

I'm sorry if you're offended that people like and respect me. I'm sorry that you can't perceive the truth about me. I'm sorry that you can't perceive the truth about your own position, and how you present yourself to others. That's just the way it is.

posted September 03, 2007 03:49 PM         

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I'm Sorry but I am like the mother who stays on her kid's butt and insists that he grow up and take responsibility for his actions. Otherwise he'll repeat the mistake.....lalalinda

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posted September 03, 2007 03:56 PM         

You are beating a dead horse when you insist on talking about something that cannot be changed.

Beating a dead horse is an action that has no purpose, because no matter how hard or how long you beat a dead horse, it is not going to get up and run.

To repeatedly bring up a particular topic with no chance of affecting the outcome is beating a dead horse.

If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're beating a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.

posted September 03, 2007 04:05 PM         

Just like the topic that got deleted..
it happened for a reason..

posted September 03, 2007 04:44 PM         

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posted September 03, 2007 12:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod Edit/Delete Message Lotus,

I understand what you're saying. If you need me to put it into words I'd say that what you see is that often when Jwhop starts a thread I'll show up to oppose the information put forth in the thread. Because of the regularity that I do that it occurs to you that it's just a personal vendetta on my part.

All it takes for you to understand where I'm coming from is for you to hop into my shoes. Look at what's being said. Look at what I'm responding to. Am I responding to information from Jwhop that is both accurate and presented in a manor you would consider fair? Is him equating half our country to murderous Communists; Hitler, Saddam, and terrorist sympathizers reasonable in any way? No, it's not.

Now, part of the reason I've long felt it has to be me in this roll is because a lot of people can't handle Jwhop's abrasive, incendiary style. It doesn't bother me. I can take it. I could step away, and I'd be pretty assured that people would continue to take issue with the "great information" he puts out, but I couldn't be assured that anyone would stick with it in order to fully represent the dissenting view. Not everyone can keep in mind that in the end politics is about morals plain and simple.

I don't hate Jwhop, either. He's a decent man, a provider for his family I'm certain. He's a born leader. He's dynamic. He's bold. He's a Patriot.

Ok?
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it's okay for AG, but not Lalalinda???

posted September 03, 2007 04:48 PM         

Zala, as you and lalalinda are both moderators, don't you think you could have emailed her???

posted September 03, 2007 05:36 PM         

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but I personally find it very distasteful that you feel the need, or feel that you even have the right, to take on the motherhood of a 30+yo man

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I find it distasteful too, *gag*
If I mother any one it's LL as a whole.
You know the old adage

"one bad apple spoils the whole bunch"
just like a bad smell it permeates everywhere.

Zala, since you were a KS'er and now a moderator here for the sake of peace, I wish you'd sit this one out.

posted September 03, 2007 05:43 PM         

If you're so concerned about "bad apples" perhaps you should check out a few of the larger threads over in Astro.....

And I hope you're not suggesting that I should hold my tongue ("sit this one out") in any forum and on any string that I choose to contribute to.....

lotus ~

posted September 03, 2007 05:52 PM         

There is a big difference between you and Mirandee as I've stated earlier in this thread. It has nothing to do with you both being mods in FFA.

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The one thing I really admired about you Mirandee (now I'm taking this from memory) is that you when you discovered KS, you looked around saw it wasn't for you and left.
That is exactly the stance I expect anybody who loves lindaland to take....lalalinda

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posted September 03, 2007 06:08 PM         

One day Nasrudin was sitting at court. The King was complaining that his subjects were untruthful. Majesty, said Nasrudin, there is truth and truth. People must practice real truth before they can use relative truth. but they always try the other way around. The result is that they take liberties with their man-made truth, because they know instinctively that it is only an invention.

The King thought this was too complicated. A thing must be true or false. I will make people tell the truth, and by this practice, they will establish the habit of being truthful.
When the city gates were opened the next morning, a gallows had been erected in front of them, presided over by the captain of the royal guard. A herald announced, ‘Whoever would enter the city must first answer the truth to a question which will be put to him by the captain of the guard.”

Nasrudin … stepped forward first.

The captain spoke: Why have you come here? Tell the truth – the alternative is death by hanging.

I have come here said Nasrudin, to be hanged on those gallows.

I don’t believe you said the captain.

Very well said Nasrudin, if I have told a lie, hang me!

But that would make it the truth argued the captain.

Exactly, said Nasrudin, “your truth.”

Seemed somehow appropriate here

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