posted September 27, 2007 10:13 AM         

There has to be a away around this.

Maybe a veggie diet.

clock Jan 25, 2006 8:59 pm US/Mountain
Snake Turns Vegetarian; Refuses To Eat Hamster

TOKYO, Japan They're not the most conventional of cage mates but, so far, all limbs are intact for a furry little hamster in Japan.

Tokyo Zoo had originally purchased the rodent as a meal for the snake but, for some reason has refused to eat it.

It's unclear how long the two will cohabitate.

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posted September 27, 2007 10:47 AM         

I would consider what the mouse goes through to be animal cruelty.

Very easy for you to say it's not DL, especially since you aren't the one having the life squeezed out of you as if you life never meant anything in the first place.

Think about others for once instead of yourself....and yes that includes animals.

Very selfish.

but you know what they say:

"Until you have truly loved an animal...a part of your soul has not yet been fully awaken".

posted September 27, 2007 10:59 AM         

Now let me ask you a question - do you eat anything at all? Or are you just an animal lover, and believe in killing those helpless plants? Stop being a fanatic.

There is absolutely NO SANITY is what some of the so called animal rights organizations do world wide, like freeing infected animals from the lab etc etc. We need to stop the real reason, like using animals for lab experiments, but by freeing them and not looking after them is more damaging and painful than what they undergo at the hands of insane scientists. And in most cases, fatal viruses and baceteria does escape with them, and there is not point in further pondering who opened the Pandora's box?!! Look around and see what all crazy diseases are infecting us of late?!

posted September 27, 2007 11:50 AM         

It's okay to sympathize with animals but as Sattvic said we shouldn't take things to the extreme.

Like it or not nature has provided a food chain. Animals eat other animals to stay alive. Humans are the only animals who have a choice as to eat other animals or just eat vegetables and fruits. Lower animal forms do not have that choice by nature and if humans mess with what is naturual for these animals we will be doing them more harm than good. They will become totally extinct.

The case of the lion, Little Tyke, and the few other lions like her who refused meat is a unique and rare case. They go against the norm.

Hunting and killing animals for no reason other than to hang a trophy on the wall is very wrong in my mind. Even lower animals do not kill other animals for sport. They kill other animals to survive.

There is nothing wrong in you feeding your snake the diet it needs to survive, NAM. It shows you love your snake in taking good care of it.

I personally could not do that, feed an alive animal or fish to another one. My son in his teens had a pet Oscar fish. They are big fish with teeth. He went to the pet store and bought bags of goldfish and dropped them into tank. Seeing that Oscar attack and kill the goldfish was too brutal for me to watch but I understood it was the only way my son could care for his Oscar fish. I just left the room.

It is the natural order and we shouldn't take it to the extreme and mess with the natural order of things in my opinion.

Let's try to be understanding of the viewpoints of both NAM and OMG Jay in this matter. NAM loves her pet snake is only caring for it following the law of nature. She is not being cruel in doing that. Just as the lioness, Little Tyke turned her head away from meat and winced at the thought of it, NAM's snake has the same reaction to vegetables and herbs. As would most lions who are natural born carnivores.

My house cats eat chicken and fish. They are repelled by meat and refuse it. One of my cats, Max, does eat vegetables too but Zeke while he does like to eat grass and some of my house plants, he will not touch vegetables from the table. But they both want their chicken and fish.

Why do cat food companies make beef and pork cat food? When was the last time you saw your pet cat drag a cow into the yard? LOL Now if they made mouse cat food it would be entirely different.

In Korea and other countries where they eat cats the cat population dropped to the degree that during the floods there the streets were filled with mice because in killing the cats they upset the balance of nature and now have overpopulations of mice and rats to deal with. So don't mess with nature. It will definitely backfire on us.

posted September 27, 2007 11:54 AM         

That's just a stupid thing that people say all the time.

For example, when you see a baby squirrel in the middle of the street still alive and you say oh nature will take it's course. What bull crap.

Get your a$$ over there and pick it up.

What a stupid excuse.

Not towards you Mirandee.

posted September 27, 2007 12:01 PM         

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For example, when you see a baby squirrel in the middle of the street still alive and you say oh nature will take it's course. What bull crap.

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You have a serious issue with rational perception, don't you?

posted September 27, 2007 12:12 PM         

While our compassion might compel us to want to help the poor animal, wounded animals in pain will bite anything that comes near it.

Squirrels do carry rabies and since all squirrels look alike and the one that bit can't be found you would have to undergo a painful series of shots in the abdomen to protect you from rabies.

posted September 27, 2007 12:14 PM         

I am just making a point to get those little minds of ours into thinking mode and find the best answer, I LOVE ANIMALS and want no harm to be done to them ever!!!, but I am not God and some things are out of my control, I will control and co-exist with the things I can fix for the good of everyone.

posted September 27, 2007 12:20 PM         

In some instances you would have to kill one animal to save another.

And if you did kill that animal it would be cruel to kill the animal for only doing what nature designed it to do in following it's instincts.

edited to add:

Knew that NAM. Knew you would not kill your snake. And no, as you said, you cannot force your snake to go against it's natural nature by eating something different than it instinctively needs to eat to survive.

posted September 27, 2007 04:56 PM         

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So far nothing has been found regarding snakes. Maybe one day humans can interfere and change it. They could make food for them that contains the proteins they need.

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Yeah, but again...would the snake even eat it considering its not conditioned to do so?

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Very easy for you to say it's not DL, especially since you aren't the one having the life squeezed out of you as if you life never meant anything in the first place.

Think about others for once instead of yourself....and yes that includes animals.

Very selfish.

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posted September 27, 2007 05:50 PM         

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Squirrels do carry rabies and since all squirrels look alike and the one that bit can't be found you would have to undergo a painful series of shots in the abdomen to protect you from rabies.

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This is quite painful and true. THough the vaccine has improved over the years. Now it's only a series of 5 shots, plus imunoglobulin on the first day. Then you get the vaccine on day 3, 7, 14, and 28. No longer in the stomach either, in the arm, thigh, and butt. It was still painful.

I just found all this out first hand, as we had to put our doggie down due to possible rabies. I got the pleasure of having the vaccine. Luckily, and unluckily because we loved our doggy alot, and we are sad that he's dead, he came back negative. So I don't have to have the full course.

So don't pick up injured, wild animals. Besides squirrels can die of shock if they are young enough, and you get too close.

posted September 27, 2007 05:55 PM         

Baby squirrels do not carry disease. Neither do the adults.....unless they have been bitten by another animal who has rabies.

When a squirrel has rabies, he jumps on everything he sees and attacks...even if a human it's around it...watch out. It'll go ballistic and it would be noticeable right away.

I had to feed the babies every 3 hours. Holy crapppp.

Now I know how it feels to have a child.

A squirrel rehabber is now raising them.

I miss them but I was so scared!

I had to give them puppy milk formula.

Even my family started seeing squirrels in another way after that.

They better dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh wow.yet again I speak from FACTS

Be very careful what you say without doing your research. That is why people kill them sometimes when they don't even have rabies because of statements like that.

posted September 27, 2007 06:00 PM         

Don't worry I'm not ashamed of sharing my information about the up to date rabies vaccination.

Good for you on rehabilitating squirrels.

posted September 27, 2007 06:13 PM         

But that isn't the point.

This is the world of illusion. The only real 'evil' is ignorance itself; a desensitization- an amnesia of our true nature....which is UNITY with ALL of life. We have forgotten who we truly are.....

"Forgive them. They know not what they do".

"To understand all is to forgive all".

And I suppose to some extent it all depends on what you feel and believe about "the fall".

The world seems to be out of balance, that's all.

posted September 27, 2007 07:06 PM         

My vet gave me free antibiotics for her and it worked. I put it on the almonds I left for her.