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Scorpionic Web
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posted January 21, 2009 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorpionic Web     Edit/Delete Message
MVM:

It is extreme, but I think it's important to choose. These choices are being made constantly in a court of law. Have you ever been called for jury duty? If so, have you ever not been sure of your verdict? 100% sure, "beyond a shadow of a doubt" as the U.S. system requires? Plea bargains, circumstance, conjecture, even the very concept of a jury, are the whims by which people are sentenced without conclusive evidence.

So, yes it's extreme, lives depend on it, and by not wanting to answer it directly I see you have no desire to ever be involved in criminal law, but even if you never sit on a jury it's still a very important philosophical question to answer.

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Scorpionic Web
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posted January 21, 2009 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorpionic Web     Edit/Delete Message
And MVM:

I thank you very much for taking the leap and choosing "A" or "B" as though it were actually necessary for you to decide.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 21, 2009 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, it's pretty obvious that I have no love for criminal law isn't it lol.
I have never sat on a jury, though I sometimes wonder about the people that do get picked in general.
But that's another personal gripe altogether.

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posted January 21, 2009 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Sadly I have met girls/women for whom lying about a rape is just a great way to get back at a guy they want and cannot get or a guy who dumped them.
However except for the vengeful jealous ones like that.....
I think most women are not lying.
And yeah....being I never reported the rapes I endured...out of fear.....
I feel it likely rape is under-reported.

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MoonWitch
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posted January 21, 2009 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message
IMO...

Generally speaking, he said/she said just doesn't or shouldn't stand up in a court of law. There should be *some* sort of proof whether that is physical proof/indications or credible witnesses. OR extremely compelling evidence - especially to put someone away for 30 years. Maybe there was some evidence or something more substantial that wasn't reported in the article in the first post that clouds the bigger picture.

Ya know... I just went through a divorce. My ex hit me once, threw me to the floor the same night, and then emotionally intimidated me for years later (saying he'd cut me into pieces, threatened me, etc.). The judge discounted all emotional abuse and threats and the physical abuse because I have a job and I am able to funtion in the world. Plus - I had no proof. The police weren't called when it happened and how does anyone prove emotional abuse?? I also did a brilliant job of representing myself because I couldn't afford a lawyer - which worked against me because the judge decided I am too smart to get spousal support (after being a stay at home mom most of the marriage) and too together to argue that his manipulation and mental abuse did anything to me. I guess I could have claimed spousal rape for all the times I felt like a prostitute that had to have sex with him because we were married even though my skin crawled every time he looked at me.

Okay - don't know where that last paragraph of ranting came from. Sorry - that was sort of off topic. Though, I understand that the judge wouldn't just want to take my word for it without solid proof of things.

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posted January 21, 2009 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
MoonWitch
I have been in very similar shoes.
Including being held at gunpoint for a month, and him threatening to kill me, our son, and himself. The gun was even under his pillow at night. On the table by him, always with him.
Forced to have sex with him or else, after I filed for divorce.
I was so freaking scared.
I did not learn of his Heroin addiction until a few years after I divorced him.
Well that explained alot after the fact.
Ever see the movie "Sleeping With The Enemy"?
That was what most of our too long of a marriage was like.
I do not want to go into it further here.
I understand.

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Dervish
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posted January 22, 2009 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
I'd choose option A.

HOWEVER

The entire system is messed up. In just ONE way it's messed up includes both prosecution and defense tampering or interfering with evidence, hiring mercenary "experts" and the like. I personally don't understand how both the defense and prosecution can tamper with evidence, create false witnesses, and a host of other dirty deeds (especially when doing so leads to a conviction that leads to the death penalty--as has happened). These should be crimes. In fact, they ARE crimes if anyone other than a lawyer does it!

And it's not just men that get shafted at times over rape cases.

An example of how a repeat rapist got off was that in California, his past 4 convictions could "prejudice" the jury, so it was not allowed to be mentioned (furthermore, even if a jury had hired a PI to investigate his background, it would be illegal to divulge that). Despite this protection, the woman was torn up on the stand, and even her records from her therapist were seized. She'd mentioned to her therapist about being sexually abused by her dad but couldn't confront him about it and the defense then speculated that because she couldn't get at her dad, that she'd instead chose to go after the defendant. This cost the victim the support of her family. In the end, the man was cleared of the charges of rape, though the jury was upset when they found out what they were NOT allowed to learn as the defense stopped it. However, he was still convicted of his felonious assault where he broke several of her bones while they had "consensual" sex.

And another one was ended before it got that far in that a guy with a rap sheet of burglar and sexual assault was mauled by a woman's dog in Oregon. The police saved his life and charged him for B&E but also the dog. She had to show up to testify at court hearings, but after she'd show up, they'd move the date, something that really annoyed the woman's boss (as she had to take off from work). Then one day she gets stuck in traffic and since she doesn't show, they release the guy. Meanwhile, the same court has her own dog destroyed.

Another woman was jailed for "brandishing" because she pulled a gun on a guy trying to rape her. She didn't shoot him or threaten him, just told him to get away from her.

And meanwhile rape kits gather dust unused. One serial rapist could've been caught years ago but the rape kits weren't used as he went through victim after victim (by "unused" I mean the samples were taken but never investigated).

Even when there are convictions, there are then appeals. Most who are convicted serve less than 2 years before their conviction is overturned (and before saying this proves they were innocent, this is also true of other crimes, from theft to murder). Even if it stands, they'll typically only serve a fraction of that. If sentenced to 30 years, they're likely to serve 7 of that before put back on the streets (often buff from weightlifting and experienced in fighting techniques that far outstrip that of a woman who had a few Tai Chi classes) with little to lose (and some prefer the prison environment), a lot of rage, and a bunch of easy victims. They also learn how to play the system, too.

I'm not saying men don't ever get shafted, but it's false to say that women are the favored and men the class that suffers constant injustice. We ALL suffer that in one way or another. (And check how often those restraining orders are enforced.)

The court system is so messed up that I do not exaggerate when I say that if I were being tried for any crime--regardless as to whether I was guilty or innocent--I'd rather have a roulette wheel try my case than the court system we're burdened with. I'd understand if anyone, male or female, also chose that option (were it available).

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posted January 22, 2009 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
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amowls
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posted January 22, 2009 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 22, 2009 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
LOL amowls.

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venusdeindia
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posted January 22, 2009 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venusdeindia     Edit/Delete Message
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Research Shows False Accusations of Rape Common

Despite its many painful and unseemly aspects, the Kobe Bryant rape case and the media storm surrounding it have drawn attention to a severely neglected problem: false rape accusations. In her recent Daily Journal column, high profile feminist professor Wendy Murphy dismisses the problem of false accusations as an "ugly myth," and calls for "boiling rage" activism to address what she perceives as the anti-woman bias of the criminal justice system. Like many victims' advocates, Murphy cannot seem to fathom the possibility that Bryant could be innocent. However, research shows that false allegations of rape are frighteningly common.

According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.

Kanin found that most of the false accusers were motivated by a need for an alibi or a desire for revenge. Kanin was once well known and lauded by the feminist movement for his groundbreaking research on male sexual aggression. His studies on false rape accusations, however, received very little attention.

Kanin's findings are hardly unique. In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false.

The most common reasons the women gave for falsely accusing rape were "spite or revenge," and to compensate for feelings of guilt or shame (Forensic Science Digest, vol. 11. no. 4, December 1985).

A Washington Post investigation of rape reports in seven Virginia and Maryland counties in 1990 and 1991 found that nearly one in four were unfounded. When contacted by the Post, many of the alleged victims admitted that they had lied.

It is true, of course, that not every accuser who recants had accused falsely. But it is also true that some who do not recant were not telling the truth.

According to a 1996 Department of Justice Report, of the roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases analyzed with DNA evidence over the previous seven years, 2,000 excluded the primary suspect, and another 2,000 were inconclusive. The report notes that these figures mirror an informal National Institute of Justice survey of private laboratories, and suggests that there exists "some strong, underlying systemic problems that generate erroneous accusations and convictions."

Craig Silverman, a former Colorado prosecutor known for his zealous prosecution of rapists during his 16-year career, says that false rape accusations occur with "scary frequency." As a regular commentator on the Bryant trial for Denver's ABC affiliate, Silverman noted that "any honest veteran sex assault investigator will tell you that rape is one of the most falsely reported crimes." According to Silverman, a Denver sex-assault unit commander estimates that nearly half of all reported rape claims are false.

The media has largely ignored these studies and experts and has instead promoted the notion that only 2% of rape allegations are false. This figure was made famous by feminist Susan Brownmiller in her 1975 book Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape. Brownmiller was relaying the alleged comments of a New York judge concerning the rate of false rape accusations in a New York City police precinct in 1974.

A 1997 Columbia Journalism Review analysis of rape statistics noted that the 2% statistic is often falsely attributed to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and has no clear and credible study to support it. The FBI's statistic for "unfounded" rape accusations is 9%, but this definition only includes cases where the accuser recants or the evidence contradicts her story. Instances where the case is dismissed for lack of evidence are not included in the "unfounded" category. Brownmiller's credibility can be assessed by her assertion in Against Our Will that rape is "nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear."

Murphy also contends that the criminal justice system is stacked against women, and that the law reform initiatives promoted during the past three decades have "failed to make a bit of difference in the justice system's handling of rape cases." In reality, feminist advocacy and the now ubiquitous rape-shield laws have made an enormous difference in the way the system treats rape cases.

Some of these changes have been fair, and have led to greater protections for rape victims. However, others have made it more difficult for men to defend themselves, with at times horrifying consequences for the accused.

For example, in December, the Arkansas Supreme Court denied an appeal by Ralph Taylor, who is serving a 13-year sentence for rape. The court held that evidence of the victim's alleged prior false allegations of rape was inadmissible because it was considered sexual conduct within the meaning of the state's rape shield statute. In that case, the defense proffered the testimony of two friends of the alleged victim, both of whom claimed that she had previously falsely accused another man of raping her. The court added that admitting such evidence could "inflame the jury."

In her book Ceasefire: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces to Achieve True Equality, Boston Globe columnist Cathy Young details numerous questionable rulings in which potentially innocent men were prevented from properly defending themselves by the rape shield laws which Murphy endorses.

One of these cases concerns an 18 year-old Wisconsin boy named Charles Steadman, who in 1993 was sentenced to eight years in prison for allegedly raping an older woman. Steadman was underage when the crime allegedly occurred, but was prohibited from revealing that his accuser was currently facing criminal charges of having sex with minors, and thus had an excellent reason to claim that the sex with Steadman was not consensual. Such evidence was deemed related to his accuser's sexual history and thus inadmissible.

In 1997, sportscaster Marv Albert was accused of assault and battery during a sexual encounter with a woman with whom he had had a 10-year sexual relationship. Albert sought to introduce evidence that his accuser, who had been in a mental hospital six weeks before the alleged assault, had previously made false accusations against men who had left her, as Albert, who was engaged to be married, was planning to do. Albert's offer of proof was denied, compromising his ability to defend himself. Facing a possible life sentence, he chose to plead guilty to misdemeanor assault.

Murphy's dogged attacks on Ruckriegle as a veritable "advocate for the accused" are also without foundation. Far from being a black robed patriarch in league with the defendant, Ruckriegle's rulings were reasonable and, if anything, minimalist. It is not the rulings but the reaction to them by victims' advocates and the media which are worrisome.

For example, Ruckriegle granted a defense motion that Bryant's accuser would not be referred to as "the victim" in court. Such labeling, as opposed to "alleged victim" or "accuser," undermines the presumption of innocence. However, this motion was hotly contested by both the prosecution and by victims' rights organizations, which filed amicus briefs and complained that Ruckriegle's decision created an anti-woman double-standard.

Ruckriegle also allowed Bryant to introduce evidence that his accuser had had other sexual encounters in the 72 hours before her medical examination for the alleged assault. Bryant's defense team contended that the microscopic vaginal injuries the prosecution claimed were suffered in the alleged assault could instead have been the product of various consensual sexual encounters.

Media commentators labeled the 72 hour decision a "bombshell for prosecutors" that "threatens all women," and likened Ruckriegle to a man who has "tiptoed into a minefield."

Murphy is correct that rape is a horrible crime. But false accusations of rape are every bit as horrible. They are a form of psychological rape that can emotionally, socially, and economically destroy a person even if there is no conviction, especially for those of less fame and fortune than Bryant. The stigma attaches to the falsely accused for life. Few believe them and few care. Prosecutors systematically refuse to prosecute the perpetrators. And victims' advocates like Murphy refuse to see falsely accused men as victims, and instead work to minimize and conceal the problem.

This column first appeared in the Los Angeles Daily Journal and San Francisco Daily Journal (9/15/04).
http://www.glennsacks.com/blog/?page_id=1334


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posted January 22, 2009 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine_lion     Edit/Delete Message
ok, life or death i had to choose - like mvm - i never want to be anyp part of choosing this type of thing, i would have to choose option 2. my rationale one innocent man serves a sentence for something he didn't do, but one violent offender would destroy the lives of many. so the real question is sacrifice one or sacrifice many innocent individuals. i would make the choice thinking the greater good would be saving many.
sorry.

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