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dafremen
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posted March 22, 2004 01:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message
So here's the story:

A certain town, (which shall remain nameless), had several episodes involving a rather locally-notorious child molester. As if HIS actions weren't bad enough, his family, friends and, in fact, quite a FEW people KNEW that he was hurting children and did nothing about it, but sit back.

One kid, who was a witness to some of these acts and a friend of one of the children, denied that he had seen anything when asked to confirm the child's account of what had happened...and he repeated his denial THREE TIMES IN ONE DAY.

Well, it gets stranger, because even though everyone in town KNOWS that the man is a child molester, he is now being considered for a job as HEAD DIRECTOR of their CHILD DAYCARE FACILITY!

Apparently, the molester claims that he had some sort of "epiphany" and that he now realizes that what he was doing was wrong and he wants to make amends. His friends and relatives (the same ones that practically encouraged his aberrant behavior) are backing his story up, saying that he is a "changed man." His best friend admits that he molested children, but claims that he has had a major transformation and is now incapable of harming a fly.

This is going to sound even MORE outlandish, but the people in town are rallying behind him..claiming that everyone deserves a second chance, because good Christians are forgiving.

Understand, the Head Director of a daycare gets to establish policies and procedures.

Is it just me? OR is this insane?

I mean, to forgive the guy is one thing, but to put him in charge of a daycare after what he's done to children, just because his friends and relatives say he's changed?

What do you think?

daf

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gloomy sag
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posted March 22, 2004 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gloomy sag     Edit/Delete Message
I absolutely agree with you, Daf.

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lioneye68
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posted March 22, 2004 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioneye68     Edit/Delete Message
He's very fortuneate to be given an opportunity within this same life-time to neutralize some of the bad karma he has created. He's getting the opportunity to DO RIGHT by kids, and he has alot of work to do in this direction. This is his defining moment, and it will be his redemption or his own undoing. The choice is entirely his. It's sink or swim time for this dude. He'd better realize it.

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trillian
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posted March 22, 2004 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Hmm. In the U.S., we are all considered innocent until proven guilty.

Has he been prosecuted for these heinous crimes, or only accused of them? Has he admitted to the crimes?

How do you know the child was a witness to the acts, if he denies it?

My Cappy planets need to know!


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dafremen
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posted March 22, 2004 03:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Well..

Here's the latest word on this bizarre situation:

He got the job.

Frankly, I'm dumbstruck. His first order of business was to institute a policy that encourages staff members to hug the children.

The justification for this policy is that many daycare bound children are not receiving the love and affection that they require at home.

The details aren't clear, but here's what I've gleaned from it:

Staff members are to hug the children when they arrive in the morning. They are to receive a hug upon awaking from naptime, and before being picked up by their parents.

I'm sorry....WHAT?! So if someone comes in and finds the head director touching one of the children around naptime, he's just doing his job...right?

Whoa!

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juniperb
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posted March 22, 2004 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
My heart is pretty big,I do believe in redemption

and the power to change ones behaviors

but not with my kid he don`t. Sorry

juniperb

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lioneye68
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posted March 22, 2004 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioneye68     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe if they outfitted the entire facility with omni-eye surveylence cameras...otherwise, I have to agree with Juni...not with MY kid.

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CancerianMoon
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posted March 22, 2004 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CancerianMoon     Edit/Delete Message
OMG is all i can say...being a victim of abuse my self by a family member...in a close family...the togetherness of this community is not surprising to me..its called denial...and not wanting to believe that such a "good man" could do such a thing..of course i cant say if this man is innocent or not...i also have big heart and believe in forgiveness..but in same time u dont put a reformed alcoholic in charge of a bar..
what a sad story

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2tailscorp
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posted March 22, 2004 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2tailscorp     Edit/Delete Message
Being a survivor myself I don't know if it's just me but the word ERECT jumped off the screen at me from the word DIRECTOR!

FYI--one of the things I loved my Sag man for was when he was in jail in Western NY (before we got together) he was the one to give all other inmates their meals and he peed into the pedafiles milk! A guard caught him and told him that was fine as long as that was the ONLY one he peed into!

You go, babe!

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TINK
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posted March 22, 2004 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Oh my. Well, Christians are supposed to be forgiving but does it require stupidity now too? Geesh. I'd like to think that an epiphany is only the first step - redemption needs to be EARNED. If these kind folks are really so eager to rehabilitate this lost sheep they might want to rethink ploping him right down in the middle of temptation. I experienced a couple of very small incidents as a child. Very small - nothing at all really compared with some of the stories I've heard. I don't mention this because I'm seeeking out sympathy. But I got a glimpse into the scars a child is left with. By all means rehabilitate this man, but are the townsfolk really so willing to risk their children in the process?

Denied him 3 times huh? How did you come to learn about this daf? Is it a hypothetical situation Daf? Are you fishing?

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juniperb
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posted March 22, 2004 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Tink, we`re on the same wave length.

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TINK
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posted March 22, 2004 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Then surely I am on the right path as there is no greater compliment.

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WychOfAvalon
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posted March 22, 2004 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WychOfAvalon     Edit/Delete Message
Certainly he can be forgiven without making him a head of a daycare center (PERFECT dream job for a pedofile, obviously). Forgive him and give him a job in construction... or something where there aren't likely to be a lot of kids around

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posted March 22, 2004 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Tink, denied him three times was the definitave clue. Plus, Daf has a message and if we listen, we can hear.

I`ve never been told I was a good Christian as I don`t follow the rules.

juniperb

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lalalinda
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posted March 22, 2004 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Unfortunately theres no cure for child molesters they don't change (they can work on it,and get therapy but they'll always be like that). First thing make sure your facts are ABSOLUTELY correct, if they are you could picket (demonstrate) in front of the day care. (first make sure you are within your rights and won't be arrested). You could start a petition, inform other parents, and become a true child advocate. Start writing letters to your congressman, priest, rabbi, and minister as well as the local board of education. Somebody will listen to you. Stick to your guns, your instincts are right, you don't want any other childs life ruined by this sicko. If I was taking my child to daycare, and there was so much as a hint of molestation I wouldn't take the chance. (I would never be able to forgive myself). Its always hardest to do the right thing and to try and protect those who can't protect themselves. My hats off to you,Good Luck.

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Eleanore
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posted March 23, 2004 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
That's just wrong. Maybe it sounds like I'm being judgemental ... maybe I am? I don't know. All I know is that although I really, truly believe that people can change, I'd rather that change be observed for a long time before trusting that person in a very "tempting" (is it just me or is that kinda' gross?) situation.

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2tailscorp
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posted March 23, 2004 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2tailscorp     Edit/Delete Message
It's just wrong, plain WRONG!!

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trillian
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posted March 23, 2004 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Whoa.

Gonna stick by my guns here, and refer back to my first post.

Are we really ready to condemn a man based on a story, when given no proof?

And along with Tink and juniperb, I'm betting this is an allegorical tale.

I do not condone such behavior. Molesting a child is aberrant and abhorrent. But daf has only offered us what seems to be a parable, with no proof.

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dafremen
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posted March 23, 2004 07:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message
It IS a parable...

Tink..always, along with juni perceptive as all get-up. Perhaps its that they've known me longer than most here...

(Kudos on having open eyes, trillian.)

Parable...now there's an appropriate word for this story.

It is the story of a man who admits to the most heinous crimes against the tenderest of human beings.

It is the story of his friends who watched and not only did nothing, but literally ENJOYED watching him torture these gentle people.

This is the story of his failure to dominate those beautiful souls by force or pain of death, and of his in-credible change of heart..confirmed only by his friends and associates, also haters of Christians.

An "epiphany" which was "witnessed" only by those who before had watched as he cruelly tortured and killed the most loving of people..witnesses who had encouraged his deviant behavior.

This is the story of a misguided traitor among the gentle(Peter), among the lambs, who denied his affiliation with them when his own neck was on the line. Of a man whose guilty conscience turned him from devotee of love and compassion to ardent supporter of a very wicked and misguided man who despised and cursed the most gentle and innocent soul to ever grace the face of this planet..Jesus Christ.

Its the story of how the most ardent Christian hater of all time became the Head of the Christian movement and the primary source of all current Christian doctrine.

This is the story...of how Saul of Tarsus aka Paul, the Christian(child) Killer(molester) became the Head of the Church, later the Roman Catholic Church.

It is the story of how he and his organization, recreated history, and made themselves into saints...and Christ into a God...of how that same organization...in 325 A.D. made themselves, with the blessing of the Roman Emperor, the authorities on Christian doctrine (policy), whereupon determining that they BELIEVED Christ to be God, they rewrote certain passages of the Bible to more clearly reflect this "OFFICIAL" doctrine..a MAN MADE doctrine that created a man-god in direct violation of the first and second of the Ten Commandments. (Those books or letters which opposed or disproved their decided-upon church doctrine extensively, were omitted from the Bible completely.)

This is a matter of historical record. The Roman Catholic Church, which is in effect the first Christian Authority from which all other denominations sprang, does not deny that the current version of the Bible was agreed upon at Nicaea and that revisions were made. They simply choose not to talk about it. Burying the fact made things so much easier...less questions that way.

A Christian killer, claiming that he had been saved, became the head of the Christian movement. He then promptly and subtly began rewriting history, with the help of his good friend Luke, and his lifelong companion...John Mark. None of the three were ever disciples of Christ. Luke worshipped Helena, Paul worshipped Mithras and John Mark was a disciple of Paul's.

So the question becomes this:

Are our children's bodies more important to us than their souls?

Think about it...

daf

see also: The World's Greatest Fraud


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trillian
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posted March 23, 2004 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Could you please point us to the historical records from which you got this information?

I like footnotes, references. I take nothing at face value, and like to think/find for myself.

Thank you.

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posted March 23, 2004 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WychOfAvalon     Edit/Delete Message
trillian ~
I'm not condemning anyone. I don't even know the town or the man's name. I'm just saying that based on the information given he shouldn't be near kids. That's like thinking it's a good idea for a reformed alcoholic work at a liquor store.

With the info given I'd look into it very deeply and find out all I could if my child were set to go to that daycare.

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dafremen
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posted March 23, 2004 07:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Certainly, I wouldn't have it any other way. Those who listen to men and believe, tend believe what men lead them to.

You will find the reference to Saul being Paul here:

Acts 13:9
(Since Luke is promoting Paul's conversion, it is reasonable to believe that his accounts of Saul's acts against Christians are legitimate. Why deny what was commonly known?)

You will find that all biblical scholars agree that the book of Acts was written by Luke as was the Gospel according to Luke (who never knew Christ and so could not have known firsthand the details of Christ's life.) I believe google.com will be useful to that end.

You'll find most of the references that I would state here in the link provided above, except perhaps this one:
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txc/nicaea.htm

Their main site is here and they are a PRO Christian doctrine site. (In other words they ALSO believe the commonly held Christian view that Christ was God.)
http://mb-soft.com/believe/

As for the rest of it...if you look around, you'll find it. It's spread throughout Oranges and Hyacinths and Universal Codes. Particularly in the link provided in my previous reply.

If indeed you like to think...and you like to find...then seek...it's out there and you will find it.

daf

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trillian
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posted March 24, 2004 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Ahh, Wych, I didn't mean for it to sound like any kind of personal attack. Huge apologies if that's the way it came off. I am sometimes too darn blunt for my own good.

Daf...thanks for the links. I'll get around to them. Seek and ye shall find?
Absolutely, I do it every day, we all do, we find what we need.
I was just more interested in back-up sources for your claims.

Discrediting Christianity, or any religion, for that matter, doesn't interest me. I eschew them all. But I also respect anyone's right to worship as he or she will.

It's all the same. The Creator of All That Is, is exactly that. In my belief system, we are all a piece of a part of a beautiful whole, and whether you choose to worship God/dess, Buddha, Allah, or any other major or minor diety, it's all the same. We are One, with the Creator of All That Is.
The Yin and Yang, positive and negative, are all necessary.

One of the reasons I like the book Illusions so much is the final page, which reads "Everything in this book may be wrong." I think the same can be said of all our beliefs.

But thank you for an interesting parable.


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posted March 24, 2004 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for majenta     Edit/Delete Message
I do not really get it... *shrugs

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juniperb
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posted March 24, 2004 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
If nothing else, perhaps it`s good food to chew on as we search our own souls for what is forgiveness and faith in our fellow wo/man;why and how we aquire the faith to forgive?

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