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T O P I C R E V I E WGabbyI'm finding the strangest aspects when I compare ones partners 9th or 11th harmonic to the others? His Draco Sun aries@17.19--my 9th Moon gem@17.23Mars aries@20.54--my Natal Venus libra@19.05Karma aries@20.57--my natal Vertex aries@21.23 Jupiter libra@23.26---my 9th Juno aries@22.31Eros aqua@25.41--my Draco Psyche libra@23.44My 9th harmonic-Pluto aqua@19.19Neptune aries@19.31Amor leo@19.23Psyche aqua@19.22My 11th name asteroid libra@19.58His 11th harmonic-Psyche aqua@18.32--my 9th Amor leo@19.23Pluto aqua@23.30Neptune sag@21.18My 9th harmonic Eros pisces@21.07My 9th Venus pisces@21.34My 11th Harmonic Psyche cancer@20.12My 11th Sun virgo@19.12My natal Moon virgo@18.35My natal NN scorp@21.44His 11th Eros virgo@20.11His 11th Juno virgo@21.06His natal Sun scorp@20.43His natal Psyche virgo@9.52Comp Draco Amor virgo@8.58My natal Eros cap@9.00My natal Valentine cap@9.50My 9th Pluto cap@9.26His 11th Harmonic Pluto pisces@9.38My Draco Cupido pisces@10.23My 9th Sun taurus@10.15His 9th Moon pisces@6.59His 9th Sun cap@6.32My natal Amor pisces@5.29My 11th his name asteroid pisces@4.15His 11th harmonic NN falls on my 11th ErosHis natal Isis leo@25My 11th Osiris leo@27My 11th Isis leo@21His 9th Osiris gemini@24My natal Isis taurus@16My 9th Isis taurus@19His 9th Isis scorp@16My natal Osiris pisces@11His 11th Isis virgo@9His 11th Osiris pisces@12His natal Osiris leo@9.19My 9th Osiris libra@6.23To me, I can't really figure what these aspects mean or what I'm missing to figure this out.....what do these Harmonic charts relate to? Peluches11th harmonics and Twin Flames http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/226276.htmlhttp://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000449.html 9th harmonics 'Chart of the soul' and Soulmateshttp://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/201724.htmlhttp://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/004485.html I've also found very interesting connections to both. AubyanneI do agree, though I've not found the H11 to be as mind-blowing as I thought it'd be. Again, the only thing was his SUN's in GEM, and my MOON's also in GEM, but at 17º and 4º, so not even in orb.I dunno. The H11 didn't hit for me. I'll check it with my Guardian.Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by Aubyanne:I do agree, though I've not found the H11 to be as mind-blowing as I thought it'd be. Again, the only thing was his SUN's in GEM, and my MOON's also in GEM, but at 17º and 4º, so not even in orb..Actually they might be "just" in orb, as 11 degrees in the 11th harmonic chart itself translate to an 11th harmonic aspect (undecile?) of 1 degree in the natal synastry. Ceridwen9th harmonic is the chart/ aspects of the "practical soulmate". It is the marriage chart in Vedic astrology and also the chart for the latter part of life, it therefore is indicative of the more mature, grown up part of the soul. It also indicates how two people fit into their social environment. It relates to the novile aspects, which is a higher frequency of the trine (3x3), and there is a bit of a purpose/mission feel to it as well. Plus it also shows what makes you happy. 11th harmonic relates to inspiration, fantasy, also the harmonization of dualities/ polarities. Also relates to obsessions sometimes. Problem is that it can be either about highly spiritual or just a fantasy.CeridwenThe harmonic charts themselves highlight (through conjunctions) aspects of a certain series. So in a 11th harmonic chart if a tight conjunction comes up, it means there is an 11th harmonic aspect, an undecile (or one of the series), in the natal chart or synastry. A harmonic astrologer would NEVER compare those to the natal chart, as these belong to different harmonic charts. The other approach is treating these harmonic chart not as magnifying glass for certain aspects, but as symbolical chart. As Vedic astrology does with the Navamsa/ 9th harmonic chart. In this instance it can be related back to the natal. Gabby quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:The harmonic charts themselves highlight (through conjunctions) aspects of a certain series. So in a 11th harmonic chart if a tight conjunction comes up, it means there is an 11th harmonic aspect, an undecile (or one of the series), in the natal chart or synastry. A harmonic astrologer would NEVER compare those to the natal chart, as these belong to different harmonic charts. The other approach is treating these harmonic chart not as magnifying glass for certain aspects, but as symbolical chart. As Vedic astrology does with the Navamsa/ 9th harmonic chart. In this instance it can be related back to the natal. Thank you Ceri...that's very interesting and informative! Do you feel the 11th and 9th harmonics could play off each other in relation to soulmates and TF's? I'm so cappyI have my 11th harmonic Sun exactly on my natal Sun and in a grand cross with Saturn, Uranus, and Venus (IC ruler). hAmbrosia conjunct my natal Vertex closely, hASC exactly on my DSC. Where's my twinflame??? Oh, someone has his hMoon conjunct my hSun... ------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.CeridwenI think they are indicative of specific ways of interrelating with each other, but are not really a "marking-tool" to decide if someone is your twinflame or not. To be honest IF it can be seen, it will vibrate through ALL charts, and probably having a strong interdimensional chart might enhance the probability, but even with that in mind, I honestly think if you can`t see it in the tropical, it`s simply not there. (or not relevant for this earthly incarnation )CeridwenNow conjunctions [/b] within [/b] one harmonic chart are indicative of a certain aspects series. So if you say the undeciles are indicative of twinflames or the noviles are then of course finding these conjunctions in 11th and 9th harmonic chart can be interpreted as marker of twinflames. Personally I don´t believe either undeciles nor noviles are NECESSARY for twinflames though, hence, while I find the interplay interesting and intriguing in these charts, to me they represent more of a specific way of interrelating, but are not a "tf-checklist"Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by I'm so cappy:I have my 11th harmonic Sun exactly on my natal Sun that is something I have been pondering about, for me this is the case with Psyche in 11th harmonic and natal on the same degree. It might just be indicative of a "pure 11th harmonic aspect" or just a coincidencde. lolI'm so cappyBut an aspect to what?------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.I'm so cappyDo you find these conjunctions significant in synastry? (tropical ones excluded)9th harmonicDSC conjunct Moon 0ASC (same axis) conjunct Pluto 3, Juno 0, NN 4, Sun 6Jupiter conjunct Ceres 0DSC conjunct NN 2Venus conjunct Neptune 9Mars conjunct Mercury 7Juno conjunct Amor 0Amor conjunct Psyche 511th harmonicMoon conjunct Sun 6, Mars 4, Vertex 3Mars conjunct Pluto 0Mars conjunct Jupiter 5Venus conjunct Saturn 4Saturn conjunct SN 6Vertex conjunct NN and Mercury 4Venus conjunct Valentine 1Venus conjunct Psyche 0Mercury conjunct Ambrosia 1Jupiter conjunct Ceres 0 (again)Juno conjunct Amor 0 (again...)------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.CeridwenYes, sure, I would think so. For example Moon on DESC in 9th harmonic, means that you share either a conjunction or opposition (but you said you excluded these) in the birth charts, or alternatively a novile, binovile, trine or quadranovile. probably the most important ones would be those that result in a symmetric geometric pattern in the natal chart, with a midpoint axis. For example that could happen withA novile BA quadranovile CB quadranovile C I'm so cappyNo conjunctions or oppositions between those placements in the natal synastry. I won't be looking for patterns, I'll check personas instead. Something's telling me I should compare Juno-Amor and Jupiter-Ceres.Waaait. There IS a Ceres-Jupiter conjunction -_-------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.CeridwenGabby,"My 9th harmonic-Pluto aqua@19.19Psyche aqua@19.22"There must be a very exact conjunction, opposition, trine, novile, binovile or quadranovile in your natal then. Nevertheless, comparing 11th and 9th, seems very arbitrary to me. Sure it can be done, but what does it really tell us? I maybe would relate it to the tropical natal chart maybe,e ven though even this is comparing apples and oranges with each other. But we manifest and express our experiences on that level mostly, so I suppose that is valid, at least in a symbolic way. Personally I would start with the conjunctions WITHIN the harmonic chart and then check if it conjuncts the natal chart. And yes I would focus on the conjunctions, to see what really stands out and is specific to this interconnection. CeridwenCappy,you could open up a new thread about personas then. While this is an interesting subject, I prefer we do not mix the different topics in this one thread. Let`s keep that one to the harmonics. I'm so cappyDon't worry, I wasn't going to highjack this thread.------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.GabbyCeri, it does make an exact trine to my Venus libra@19.05Square NN scorp@21.44...don't know if that is close enough though.alyssa27personally i'm very fascinated about the 9th harmonic chart and the draconic too i always felt tha my soul is virgoish-piscean and in my natal i don't have any planets in those two signs but i have a heavy 6th-12th axis..in my draco chart i have asc,sun,venus in virgo and dsc,neptune,saturn in pisces..in 9th harmonic chart i have asc,mars in pisces and dsc,venus in virgo..fits quite well in 9th harmonic synastry with my bf we have(only planets conjunctions and in the same sign as well):-my 9th harmonic moon conjuncts his 9th saturn exact-my 9th moon conjunct his 9th sun-my 9th moon is in the same sign but not in orb with his 9th venus,mercury and my 9th mercury also in the same sign not in orb..i have 9th moon,mercury,pluto in scorpio he has 9th sun,saturn,venus,mercury in scorpio-my 9th sun conjunct his 9th jupiter and uranus(in tropical we have an exact sun jupiter conjuction also i am the sun again)-my 9th sun is in the same sign not in orb with his 9th moon(and my 9th sun is exact on his tropical sun/moon midpoint)-my 9th harmonic venus is in the same sign but not in orb with his 9th mars in virgo(the strange thing is that in draconic synastry my venus and his mars in virgo also but not in orb again,both 9th and draconic the orb is 10-13 degrees away and more strange in tropical we have a 1degree conjunction my venus again his mars)-my 9th harmonic dsc conjuncts his 9th mars/valentine conjunction(his 9th mars/valentine in my tropical sun/moon midpoint)-his 9th harmonic dsc conjuncts my 9th saturn-his 9th harmonic mc conjuncts my 9th marsgenerally in 9th harmonic synastry all of our planets are in compatible signs either conjunct/same sign or trine and sextile and our ascs in sextile the only planets that are in incompatible signs are neptune(mine in aries,his in taurus)and pluto(mine in scorpio his in saggitarius)and there are alot more comparing the 9th harmonics with each othes natalswhat all of these mean?i guess our souls are compatible?..but i'm really impressed how telling are both 9th and draconic for myself so i pay attention in 9th and draco synastry tooi never tried 11th harmonics,i have to check those too girlwiththerainysoul mereiposaDo oppositions work in harmonics synastry charts? I see focus on conjunctions, but I am curious about oppositions. I guess squares for that matter, too.CeridwenA comparison between two harmonic chart is just as valid as comparing two birth charts with each other. It highlights the minor aspects in their synastry. As for people born on the same day, well the same could be said for a normal synastric analysis in this instance. But while this is of course a special and very interesting situation as you basically meet your astro-mirror (I did, we were even born close in time), the aspects must be just as valid as with anyone else born at another moment in time. If not, astrology simply doesn`t work. If it works, its rules need to be valid for all births. What happens in these cases very often is that you basically come to realize what you like or dislike about yourself. How would you get along with you, if you met you in the outer world?(the connection with my astrotwin was complicated, to be honest; but so was my relationship to myself at that time; hence he was a good mirror for that)mereiposaDo midpoints hold weight in harmonics as well? I assume yes, because the two planets composing the midpoint are still being activated. But I am curious if there is any research discussing this?I see oppositions are important, but how do you interpret them? Do they represent a struggle as they do in typical chart readings? Specifically synastry. I've been looking at H9 synastries between couples I know and it's interesting.
His Draco Sun aries@17.19--my 9th Moon gem@17.23Mars aries@20.54--my Natal Venus libra@19.05Karma aries@20.57--my natal Vertex aries@21.23 Jupiter libra@23.26---my 9th Juno aries@22.31Eros aqua@25.41--my Draco Psyche libra@23.44
My 9th harmonic-Pluto aqua@19.19Neptune aries@19.31Amor leo@19.23Psyche aqua@19.22My 11th name asteroid libra@19.58
His 11th harmonic-Psyche aqua@18.32--my 9th Amor leo@19.23Pluto aqua@23.30Neptune sag@21.18
My 9th harmonic Eros pisces@21.07My 9th Venus pisces@21.34My 11th Harmonic Psyche cancer@20.12My 11th Sun virgo@19.12My natal Moon virgo@18.35My natal NN scorp@21.44His 11th Eros virgo@20.11His 11th Juno virgo@21.06His natal Sun scorp@20.43
His natal Psyche virgo@9.52Comp Draco Amor virgo@8.58My natal Eros cap@9.00My natal Valentine cap@9.50My 9th Pluto cap@9.26His 11th Harmonic Pluto pisces@9.38My Draco Cupido pisces@10.23
My 9th Sun taurus@10.15His 9th Moon pisces@6.59His 9th Sun cap@6.32My natal Amor pisces@5.29My 11th his name asteroid pisces@4.15
His 11th harmonic NN falls on my 11th Eros
His natal Isis leo@25My 11th Osiris leo@27
My 11th Isis leo@21His 9th Osiris gemini@24
My natal Isis taurus@16My 9th Isis taurus@19His 9th Isis scorp@16
My natal Osiris pisces@11His 11th Isis virgo@9His 11th Osiris pisces@12
His natal Osiris leo@9.19My 9th Osiris libra@6.23
To me, I can't really figure what these aspects mean or what I'm missing to figure this out.....what do these Harmonic charts relate to?
9th harmonics 'Chart of the soul' and Soulmateshttp://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/201724.htmlhttp://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/004485.html
I've also found very interesting connections to both.
I dunno. The H11 didn't hit for me.
I'll check it with my Guardian.
quote:Originally posted by Aubyanne:I do agree, though I've not found the H11 to be as mind-blowing as I thought it'd be. Again, the only thing was his SUN's in GEM, and my MOON's also in GEM, but at 17º and 4º, so not even in orb..
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Actually they might be "just" in orb, as 11 degrees in the 11th harmonic chart itself translate to an 11th harmonic aspect (undecile?) of 1 degree in the natal synastry.
11th harmonic relates to inspiration, fantasy, also the harmonization of dualities/ polarities. Also relates to obsessions sometimes.
Problem is that it can be either about highly spiritual or just a fantasy.
So in a 11th harmonic chart if a tight conjunction comes up, it means there is an 11th harmonic aspect, an undecile (or one of the series), in the natal chart or synastry.
A harmonic astrologer would NEVER compare those to the natal chart, as these belong to different harmonic charts.
The other approach is treating these harmonic chart not as magnifying glass for certain aspects, but as symbolical chart. As Vedic astrology does with the Navamsa/ 9th harmonic chart. In this instance it can be related back to the natal.
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:The harmonic charts themselves highlight (through conjunctions) aspects of a certain series. So in a 11th harmonic chart if a tight conjunction comes up, it means there is an 11th harmonic aspect, an undecile (or one of the series), in the natal chart or synastry. A harmonic astrologer would NEVER compare those to the natal chart, as these belong to different harmonic charts. The other approach is treating these harmonic chart not as magnifying glass for certain aspects, but as symbolical chart. As Vedic astrology does with the Navamsa/ 9th harmonic chart. In this instance it can be related back to the natal.
Thank you Ceri...that's very interesting and informative! Do you feel the 11th and 9th harmonics could play off each other in relation to soulmates and TF's?
------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.
To be honest IF it can be seen, it will vibrate through ALL charts, and probably having a strong interdimensional chart might enhance the probability, but even with that in mind, I honestly think if you can`t see it in the tropical, it`s simply not there. (or not relevant for this earthly incarnation )
So if you say the undeciles are indicative of twinflames or the noviles are then of course finding these conjunctions in 11th and 9th harmonic chart can be interpreted as marker of twinflames.
Personally I don´t believe either undeciles nor noviles are NECESSARY for twinflames though, hence, while I find the interplay interesting and intriguing in these charts, to me they represent more of a specific way of interrelating, but are not a "tf-checklist"
quote:Originally posted by I'm so cappy:I have my 11th harmonic Sun exactly on my natal Sun
that is something I have been pondering about, for me this is the case with Psyche in 11th harmonic and natal on the same degree. It might just be indicative of a "pure 11th harmonic aspect" or just a coincidencde. lol
9th harmonicDSC conjunct Moon 0ASC (same axis) conjunct Pluto 3, Juno 0, NN 4, Sun 6Jupiter conjunct Ceres 0DSC conjunct NN 2Venus conjunct Neptune 9Mars conjunct Mercury 7Juno conjunct Amor 0Amor conjunct Psyche 5
11th harmonicMoon conjunct Sun 6, Mars 4, Vertex 3Mars conjunct Pluto 0Mars conjunct Jupiter 5Venus conjunct Saturn 4Saturn conjunct SN 6Vertex conjunct NN and Mercury 4Venus conjunct Valentine 1Venus conjunct Psyche 0Mercury conjunct Ambrosia 1Jupiter conjunct Ceres 0 (again)Juno conjunct Amor 0 (again...)
For example Moon on DESC in 9th harmonic, means that you share either a conjunction or opposition (but you said you excluded these) in the birth charts, or alternatively a novile, binovile, trine or quadranovile. probably the most important ones would be those that result in a symmetric geometric pattern in the natal chart, with a midpoint axis.
For example that could happen with
A novile BA quadranovile CB quadranovile C
Waaait. There IS a Ceres-Jupiter conjunction -_-
"My 9th harmonic-Pluto aqua@19.19Psyche aqua@19.22"
There must be a very exact conjunction, opposition, trine, novile, binovile or quadranovile in your natal then.
Nevertheless, comparing 11th and 9th, seems very arbitrary to me. Sure it can be done, but what does it really tell us? I maybe would relate it to the tropical natal chart maybe,e ven though even this is comparing apples and oranges with each other. But we manifest and express our experiences on that level mostly, so I suppose that is valid, at least in a symbolic way.
Personally I would start with the conjunctions WITHIN the harmonic chart and then check if it conjuncts the natal chart. And yes I would focus on the conjunctions, to see what really stands out and is specific to this interconnection.
you could open up a new thread about personas then. While this is an interesting subject, I prefer we do not mix the different topics in this one thread. Let`s keep that one to the harmonics.
in 9th harmonic synastry with my bf we have(only planets conjunctions and in the same sign as well):-my 9th harmonic moon conjuncts his 9th saturn exact-my 9th moon conjunct his 9th sun-my 9th moon is in the same sign but not in orb with his 9th venus,mercury and my 9th mercury also in the same sign not in orb..i have 9th moon,mercury,pluto in scorpio he has 9th sun,saturn,venus,mercury in scorpio-my 9th sun conjunct his 9th jupiter and uranus(in tropical we have an exact sun jupiter conjuction also i am the sun again)-my 9th sun is in the same sign not in orb with his 9th moon(and my 9th sun is exact on his tropical sun/moon midpoint)-my 9th harmonic venus is in the same sign but not in orb with his 9th mars in virgo(the strange thing is that in draconic synastry my venus and his mars in virgo also but not in orb again,both 9th and draconic the orb is 10-13 degrees away and more strange in tropical we have a 1degree conjunction my venus again his mars)-my 9th harmonic dsc conjuncts his 9th mars/valentine conjunction(his 9th mars/valentine in my tropical sun/moon midpoint)-his 9th harmonic dsc conjuncts my 9th saturn-his 9th harmonic mc conjuncts my 9th mars
generally in 9th harmonic synastry all of our planets are in compatible signs either conjunct/same sign or trine and sextile and our ascs in sextile the only planets that are in incompatible signs are neptune(mine in aries,his in taurus)and pluto(mine in scorpio his in saggitarius)and there are alot more comparing the 9th harmonics with each othes natals
what all of these mean?i guess our souls are compatible?..but i'm really impressed how telling are both 9th and draconic for myself so i pay attention in 9th and draco synastry tooi never tried 11th harmonics,i have to check those too
As for people born on the same day, well the same could be said for a normal synastric analysis in this instance. But while this is of course a special and very interesting situation as you basically meet your astro-mirror (I did, we were even born close in time), the aspects must be just as valid as with anyone else born at another moment in time. If not, astrology simply doesn`t work. If it works, its rules need to be valid for all births.
What happens in these cases very often is that you basically come to realize what you like or dislike about yourself. How would you get along with you, if you met you in the outer world?
(the connection with my astrotwin was complicated, to be honest; but so was my relationship to myself at that time; hence he was a good mirror for that)
I see oppositions are important, but how do you interpret them? Do they represent a struggle as they do in typical chart readings? Specifically synastry.
I've been looking at H9 synastries between couples I know and it's interesting.
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