posted February 27, 2021 05:14 AM            

It is being trolled and repeatedly spammed with unverifiable information and conspiracy by Todd. Todd has been asked several times to keep conspiracy material in the correct forum, but he must be having too much fun harassing me because he believes I am going around deleting his posts (this accusation was made in the thread of a brand new member). The thread can no longer function in the way I intended and I can't be arsed wasting anymore of my time on him.

If it is OK for members to be a law unto themselves, then I also see no point being a moderator any longer. What is the use of rules that aren't enforceable?

Randall, please also remove my moderator status. It is not worth being under suspicion of being dishonest and manipulative, and people like Todd then believing they can behave with impunity because they think I'm part of the effing conspiracy.

In situations like these you require teamwork from moderators, but there is none here, is there? So I'm done.

posted February 27, 2021 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:

In situations like these you require teamwork from moderators, but there is none here, is there? So I'm done.

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Yep... We recently lost Juni for the same reason.

I hope you already know that *I* appreciate the careful thoughtful quality of work you have been known-for here-- You have demonstrated kindness, integrity, fairness, (and have loved your humor!).

posted February 27, 2021 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Yep... We recently lost Juni for the same reason.

I hope you already know that *I* appreciate the careful thoughtful quality of work you have been known-for here-- You have demonstrated kindness, integrity, fairness, (and have loved your humor!).

From one Virgo Moon to the Other--
[b]Happy Full Moon in Virgo Day [/B]

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Thank you for your kindness Mirage, I appreciate that. I'm just not the right person for how this site is moderated/unmoderated. There's nothing impartial about it.

I don't blame Juniper if she has quit.

posted February 27, 2021 03:56 PM            

Things have been very rough in our Country.
She's also in an area north of Michigan?
DEEP Cold.

I hope her health is good.
There have been other members who have taken long breaks~~ then they come back. Sometimes things change.

Other members quit and resurrect within a few months under a new name.

Juni is an older person.
She is missed right now.
btw, Juni has a Virgo Moon too, Voix!

I bumped one of her older threads in DivDiv forum for a birthday greeting. No response.

Another loved-member from former years makes VERY RARE appearances-- He(?) was the one who made me aware it was Juni's Birthday early days of Feb. He Remembers her. Came back to bump her birthday thread from ?2017.

Randall.. So many people Love you, support you, and have poured a LOT of Love and good content helping to build the reputation of this website. Have drawn a lot of traffic to this place, off internet hits.

I've appreciated being able to express my Democratic (and religious) viewpoints. I've utilized a different forum to express those views, which some know about and like. I like that 'you' have read them. To post that material in this section of LL would have not been as accepted, as some members might be too hostile to my ideas.

Gently, .. Sometimes it "feels" that the political forum here is for the exclusive support of Trumpism (now).
.. I do realize that what I said might NOT be correct-- but I'm expressing how it 'appears', and how it 'feels'...

I believe that you would always leave it clear and open to ANY democrat to post contrasting views-- like Teasel and Blue Roemer do. But often, it is not without some offending answers.

I like people in this forum, and have grown fond of them after all these years.

I remember Jwhop's touching 'concern' for me during some of the hurricanes we've had. AND, he usually wishes me Happy Birthday, in Celebration Birthday threads that members have started for me. Means that he "likes" me-- respectfully has accepted and responded in kind communication. I've become more accustomed to some of the horrendous names he's created for Leaders in our Legislative bodies {Honestly, he makes me (kindly) laugh~~ humorous and clever characterizations) ... I've deeply appreciated the respect he has shown me. {{ }}

I know that in the years that I've been here, I have been very protective of your Brand. We have had a few persons in the almost 9 years I've been here (in May), who came to LL with immediate intention to piggyback off your highly successful brand. Clever marketers looking for TOTALLY FREE advertisement.

I remember one that said there was nothing wrong with that-- feeding off this website was fair game to her. She expressed that ALL she has to do is Register-- leaving links to her products and services. Was leaving ads here, without being of Service to our own people. Her name then becomes automatically linked in any internet feeds that supply hits TO the LL name!

Evil cheatin' capitalistic piranha! grrrr

I used to leave links to a church/ministry here (who knew who I was), and they asked me NOT to associate the 'name of their ministry' (brand) TO LL's brand.

Apparently, the few times I had done that, they discovered that computer generated hits had linked their 'brand' to LL.

I respected their request, and took down almost-every link.

A Good Name is Valuable.
I hope that my telling you the story of what happened with that church-minister will let you know 'how sensitive' and subtle the computer/internet feeds are.

posted February 27, 2021 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Please can you close my UK COVID-19 news thread?

It is being trolled and repeatedly spammed with unverifiable information and conspiracy by Todd. Todd has been asked several times to keep conspiracy material in the correct forum, but he must be having too much fun harassing me because he believes I am going around deleting his posts (this accusation was made in the thread of a brand new member). The thread can no longer function in the way I intended and I can't be arsed wasting anymore of my time on him.

If it is OK for members to be a law unto themselves, then I also see no point being a moderator any longer. What is the use of rules that aren't enforceable?

Randall, please also remove my moderator status. It is not worth being under suspicion of being dishonest and manipulative, and people like Todd then believing they can behave with impunity because they think I'm part of the effing conspiracy.

In situations like these you require teamwork from moderators, but there is none here, is there? So I'm done.

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Quitting as a Mod is not a solution.

What seems to be needed is a moderator's board ... where the Mods can talk privately to each other.

posted February 28, 2021 12:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Thank you, Mirage. Yes. that all makes sense. There was always a good mix of opposing political viewpoints here, and when Trump became the leader of the Republican Party, there was more Trump posts here, both for and against. You should see that tilt to Biden now.

Graham, we used to have a forum for mods, and it made everyone else uncomfortable. It created suspicion where members assumed we were talking about them. The same went for a Facebook group for Mods, which did devolve into that. What we need are more active Mods--people who are here more. By “here,” I am not talking about GU. Several forums have Mods who are MIA.

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Re-create the Mods Board/Forum, and Invite the suspicious/paranoid members to become Mods - even if only for a limited period.

Those that have never done the job have not a clue about what is involved, and education/experience is the key to overcoming ignorance.

posted February 28, 2021 12:37 PM            

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Re-create the Mods Board/Forum, and Invite the suspicious/paranoid members to become Mods - even if only for a limited period.

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Speaking of ignorance, the "suspicion/paranoia" was ignited when multiple messages from the mod board were released, revealing very disparaging and hurtful convos about LL members.

posted February 28, 2021 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
[q]Re-create the Mods Board/Forum, and Invite the suspicious/paranoid members to become Mods - even if only for a limited period.[/q]

Speaking of ignorance, the "suspicion/paranoia" was ignited when multiple messages from the mod board were released, revealing very disparaging and hurtful convos about LL members.

for the record and fwiw, Im not opposed to a mod board.

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Such comments are only "disparaging and hurtful" to those whom are not yet ready to hear/confront the truth about themselves. ... For those that are "ready", such comments provide helpful feedback.

posted February 28, 2021 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Your assumption here is the jokes and comments made were in some way insightful. That's a heck of an assumption. You are also assuming that people are "ready". That is an assumption the "ready" do not make.

I don't recall who exactly was taunted, or what the comments were, but I do remember several members feeling quite hurt about things said behind their backs by mods who, by understood definition, are expected to be at least somewhat about the fray.

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I can’t remember what was said, but I remember a bit of talk about it. I might only be remembering some suspicion from years ago, though. I can’t remember anything from a Facebook group, except the one that I was invited to, that wasn’t for mods.

posted February 28, 2021 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Your assumption here is the jokes and comments made were in some way insightful. That's a heck of an assumption. You are also assuming that people are "ready". That is an assumption the "ready" do not make.

I don't recall who exactly was taunted, or what the comments were, but I do remember several members feeling quite hurt about things said behind their backs by mods who, by understood definition, are expected to be at least somewhat about the fray.

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posted February 28, 2021 03:01 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by shura:
[b]Your assumption here is the jokes and comments made were in some way insightful. That's a heck of an assumption. You are also assuming that people are "ready". That is an assumption the "ready" do not make.

I don't recall who exactly was taunted, or what the comments were, but I do remember several members feeling quite hurt about things said behind their backs by mods who, by understood definition, are expected to be at least somewhat about the fray.

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posted February 28, 2021 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
And sometimes people can just be mean, but I can’t remember what was said.

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If a comment/ observation is made about me from which I can learn something of value, why does it matter that the person making the comment was "just being mean"?

posted February 28, 2021 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
If a comment/ observation is made about me from which I can learn something of value, why does it matter that the person making the comment was "just being mean"?

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posted February 28, 2021 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
If a comment/ observation is made about me from which I can learn something of value, why does it matter that the person making the comment was "just being mean"?

And why is it that what was said is no longer remembered, yet the emotions created by it is still remembered?

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posted February 28, 2021 03:51 PM            

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Because I have experience with other things in LL’s past, and places that have nothing to do with LL. Just because someone is a mod, doesn’t mean that they have insight into something or someone. I was asked to be a mod at one point, but I didn’t want to be one.

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When someone makes a negative comment about me, I make a point of consciously exploring it ... and then take whatever action I consider to be appropriate. It does not matter to me what that person's motivation was for making the comment.

If I consider it to be valid, I act upon it ... And if I consider it to be invalid, I ignore it.

posted February 28, 2021 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
When someone makes a negative comment about me, I make a point of consciously exploring it ... and then take whatever action I consider to be appropriate. It does not matter to me what that person's motivation was for making the comment.

If I consider it to be valid, I act upon it ... And if I consider it to be invalid, I ignore it.

Life is too short to allow subjectivity and knee-jerk behaviour to determine the direction in which we travel.

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posted February 28, 2021 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Your assumption here is the jokes and comments made were in some way insightful. That's a heck of an assumption. You are also assuming that people are "ready". That is an assumption the "ready" do not make.

I don't recall who exactly was taunted, or what the comments were, but I do remember several members feeling quite hurt about things said behind their backs by mods who, by understood definition, are expected to be at least somewhat about the fray.

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I agree shura.

posted February 28, 2021 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
@Graham ~ The human psyche can be a delicate matter. Many people come from abuse, tragedy , trauma .. One can't know how close another may be to the brink and online is pretty nebulous.

@ Teasel ~ I was just today wondering about LL in the past with these clashes. I was thinking due to todays explosion in almost every facet, maybe this us the worst? Can you tell me when it was worst in your opinion?
Pluto might be a key. When I read backwards to many yrs prev. it never looked so bad as now.

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I must have missed something, because I haven’t noticed anything today. Threads went on for ages, some people could be vicious, in the past. What I was talking about, was the person I mentioned on that one thread in sweet peas. I don’t really want to go into it right now, this weekend has been very strange.