posted November 02, 2003 11:40 PM              

Don't be afraid, to walk right in to that one....
I know men can be a big pain considering their attitude sometimes is
Cry me a river honey, cause I just don't care. i don't think "we" are naturally callous, its' just that we lack the words or the way to communicate what we are feeling. And men are never taught to express how they think or feel to anyone, especially not to women. They look for women to sublimate their feelings through, to get their kicks that way, like the way a husband will let his wife take him to the opera because it would be wrong for a real man to go, but it's okay with her. He would feel men would look down on him otherwise, so he needs her to express himself.

That's why you men love us, we are so fascinating and different, and you can explore our world without having to get too emotionally involved. But as women we like to do the same thing, let men tell us about football without actually being there, so we can fantasize about he would look in a loincloth instead.

Actually I spend a lot of time fantasizing about Charleston Heston in Planet of the Apes, in his furry loincloth while the object of my affection is passionately discussing, zip drives from 1986. but that's just me, you know, I can be superficial. Must be my Mercury in Gemini in the 7th house, or all that Virgo, and Sag.

I think the men are reading Lioneye, just hiding until they can something witty and masculine.
As for Lesbians, there are probably lesbians reading this too, and I think it's the same challenge.

Since forums are about listening anyway, you know there are quite a few lurkers. We will just have to wait for the odd comment or two. We did chase Carlo off didn't we? Is he coming back you think or would you two argue again? Just curious, he is a Virgo so he is probably lurking.

posted November 02, 2003 11:55 PM              

And I didn't run off afterwards. (although some folks might wish I would) He chose to, probably because he felt like a big jerk.

I won't argue with anyone anymore. EVER. I will refrain from commenting if it's not nice. I will call myself Pollyanna girl. I won't say sh*t even if my mouth is full of it. How's that?

posted November 08, 2003 02:45 PM              

I understand there was a disagreement but it's not my problem, or concern to take on and finish and so I cannot judge.

Emotionally men are crazy Lioneye. I was with three men this weekend so far together for work and they all drove me crazy with their egos.

if you want male energy hang out with me, there are plenty to spare if you can handle the wounded pride, sniffles, and frugality.

Everytime I open my mouth, I hurt people's feelings too, I do have a Sag rising. I know that I hurt your feelings too a little but I know that you feel guilty about confronting others in your tease..but I feel that way too. It's part of being a woman to show men up a little bit and they are wounded. But they get over it pretty quickly if you offer to hang out with one once in a while, anyone as long as it's someone he knows. Men just want to be friendly and feel validated, more so than we know, and women with lots of fire do not always know this. If you hang out a local pub with a man you never met before you will find male energy, lots of it, but he we won't bother you, he will be too amazed that you accepted his offer. It could show the locals that you are friendly and don't bite.

Men are looking for female energy too,but they don't get excited as much as we do by discussing our frustrations, not because they can find fun elsewhere, but because they have given up completely on fun anywhere. Lioneye if you go out and meet more men as friends, I will be happy because you will have the male energy you need and then I will have tired co-workers who are not shy around me.

If you fall into a ditch full of mud you will meet a man faster than if you walk around in your best dress, that is the challenge. It's humiliating but part of human male nature to rescue the damsel in distress even if she feels like a fool. The human male does not want to be rescued or contront anyone who is bigger, better and stronger than he is because he is looking for ego validation.

We will just have to accept it, at least women in my personal world, and fall down sometimes for no reason at all, in our second best dress and wait around for no reason like a fool.

posted November 08, 2003 03:12 PM              

Natasha, I didn't take offence to anything you said. I get you, woman...don't forget, we have the same ascendant, and some other commom bonds, astrologically and otherwise. I was being a smartass in my reply to you. If I ever sound sarcastic or offensive, you can bet I'm just kidding. When I really want to take a strip off of someones, there's no joking involved. It's straight to the point, and not humorous at all.

posted November 08, 2003 05:28 PM              

It's good to meet a variety of people, of all colors, sizes and sexes, otherwise we would be bored and unhappy with our lives. We have to keep learning, to keep believing in the future.
Men have great insights too which I appreciate. A man was telling me the other day about how get a plumber to fit you into his schedule right away, not a big deal but not something a woman would know. To me it's crucial and I appreciate the remark. I will remember that when I need it.

Men are still diplomatic but in a different way, and you are right they do take less offense than women do because it's not personal. They are trained to be in business and have business sense. There are some women who are like that too. I just happen to be more masculine in my brain and that's okay

I never pass up an opportunity to get the male point of view on anything if I can without being too pushy or infringing on someone's opinion.

posted November 09, 2003 03:39 PM              

mmmmmmmmm,very interesting topic this is.

posted November 11, 2003 08:37 PM              

As for me, I don't really feel the need to talk to many people, but rather are drawn to a very select few that I think I could learn from. I'm a triple three and as such feel every second should be a learning experience of some sort, which can be frustrating. If I'm talking to a boring person, then I feel I am learning patience plus they could surprise me.

That's one reason why I try to read many books, because I believe the masters of the past have still much to offer now and for the future, whether it be novels or non-fiction. I love this site because it gives me the ability to learn from so many walks of life as sthenri said, but about topics which I love. I really can't stand talking about life matters with people as I think everyone lives and has always lived. I don't know if this is "male", but I just think there's more to talk about and learn from instead of whether I'm moving apartments or changing jobs, etc. Of course I will talk about these things (here comes the contradiction!) and do somewhat enjoy it, but I always get more excited when it's about matters esoteric. I also sometimes feel somewhat depressed when I've discussed something with someone, but I just feel that's me giving myself, and since it's as a gift, I think it's ok. I dislike many men for there stupid, stubborn views, but I also dislike women for their superficial views (purely examples - I also dislike stereotypes and have only made them according to argument). Eitherway, everyone/thing has there pros and cons, and it is up to us as to whether we will spend the time on them. Family however can teach us the most because we do not "choose" them. My family completely dislike esoterics, but that didn't stop me writing my numerology program, or prevent my passion when someone asks me about it...

But, that's just me,
Dean.

posted February 11, 2004 02:15 PM              

They can have an honest conversation without lecturing, patrionizing, always needing to be right, and otherwise... going off the handle!!

(And notice they only show up when they have something critical to say, as if AHA! He's reveiled our weaknesses once and for all. Never show up to say good things, or invest their emotions at the risk of being wrong. I feel sorry for such men. They are never part of the solution.)

Even the gay guys have more substance behind a fluff and puff of word acrobatics.

The guys who have stuck with us thusfar who may or may not be "gay", are a rare breed indeed. And I must take the time to SALUTE YOU!! Thanks so much for participating with us and being supportive.

.gloria

posted February 14, 2004 12:40 AM              

I did not understand what you meant. Can you rephrase that before you start raising a lot of eyebrows?

Thanks,

.gloria