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posted November 15, 2004 12:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VirgoAries Artist -

Find all the Aqua/Uranus/11th House influenced people you can.

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posted November 15, 2004 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why "Aqua/Uranus/11th House influenced people", gloria? Are they something that goes well with me?

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posted November 15, 2004 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
::CONTINUATION...::
Ok, so then the Libra/Gemini, asks me if I still want to see the movie (this is last night, I'm like "sure!"...then during the course of the shift, I get into a conversation with a customer about how I think movie theatres are overpriced, and my fav place to go for films is the second-run place at a local mall where the movies are $1.75 ...and later that evening, the L/G guy, says, how about renting Shrek 2? (since I'd mentioned having a $0.99 coupon for new releases at a local store) I was like, "that's cool". He said he'd give me a lift to the movie rental place after my shift was over. I was fine with that. So then, and he knew I was off at 9, we didn't exactly finalize the plans, and I eneded up waiting outside work for 30 minutes before just getting a lift home from my mom. Eeesh. Confusion...

So, seeing a movie...is that like a formal "date" or is it hanging out? How should I interpret this, cause I've gotten mixed signals?

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posted November 16, 2004 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any thoughts on my recent update?

hmmm...?

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posted November 19, 2004 05:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depends on whether or not he invites you, and pays. In this case he got confused and turned it into just hanging out.

It's a good idea to let men know if you want a date or are comfortable with it or not. Believe it or not some girls are nervous and they guys don't want to scare them off, so they pretend they aren't dating them. This is designed to make the girls less shy and more at ease.

Of course we want to know!
The solution is for the girl to say, I am interested in going to the movie...Your Treat right???

Then if he says yes, tell him thanks for the invite.
Let him know you are okay with dating him.

Air men are pretty nervous about dating,
next time leave the coupons at home. It's a date! He pays for the movie.

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posted November 20, 2004 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See, Natasha...I really truly thought I was haiving other people over that night (Sat), and personally, I'm one of theose people who HATES when someone brushes off prior plans when something better comes along, so I didn't want to look like that kind of person.
Should I have just said "Sure, what time?" when he mentioned the movie and just go with the flow, or keep committments already planned?

I am nervous, and I am unashamed of that fact, but is it likely that he's trying to put me more at ease, or simply equally nervous? I don't know for sure if I want/need definition at the moment...I'm scared. Should I react at all to the fact that our potential plans keep getting all shifted and turned upside down? Would you chalk it off to simple miscomunication, or is he not sure he's interested?

Air men, the charmers of the Zodiac, newvous about a little thing like "dating"? Who woulda known...
I'd love any other wisdom you can share about Libra/Gemini men, and their attitudes toward dating...


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posted November 20, 2004 11:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, you have to make a plan and stick to it. Don't ask his advice, just wait until the plan is unfolding before making any changes.

Libra/Gemini has a tough time making up his mind and will get confused as to what to do, my motto used to be
Stick with the Plan, when in doubt because the will ask you ten times if that's what you Really want to do!

And if you express indecision, your're lost. Just look at him and say, stick with the plan. Remember the plan, that's it, don't change anything, otherwise you will both be uneasy. If he can't do what he wants, and what he wants can change, he'll get moody and cranky.

So make sure you both want the same things, as in you tell me what you are both going to do, he will like that, as he doesn't have to make the decision and then stick to it with chin up even if it's awful. That way if there is follow through to him, that's a good thing.

There isn't much follow through in his life.
So he will depend on you for that.

I used to hate that men couldn't make a decision, then I couldn't stand the control freaks, now I am wrestling with what works for me or not. Maybe two dates twice a week with two different men works for me. I can't stand depending on one, and I can't stand going by the book with the other.

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posted November 20, 2004 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Make a plan? I can't really do that as I have no car. If we were going anywhere out, it would involve him driving.

Eeesh, that sounds chaotic, about him making sure, it's what I really want to do...
Thank goodness I'm not usually indecisive.

Do I assume he is free again this weekend, without knowing much details about his routine? And what about,

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There isn't much follow through in his life.
So he will depend on you for that.
??

BTW, does all this stuff I've said mean he might be pursuing me alone? I mean, I've heard that Venus in Scorpio is not focused on all directions, but then they say Mars in Cappy is very determined about getting what they want, and I've yet to see that...

Hmmmm....


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posted November 20, 2004 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No he's not focused at all, the Gemini moon wants things quick, and then he gets impatient quickly too. Yes I would assume he wants to make plans with you, and have a back up plan for yourself if he says No. But he won't say No, because he doesn't want to go, only if he has other obligations. He is 99% stuck on you right now.

Everything has to do with how much you pursue him, as in make plans for him, but that's not pushy to him, that's little stuff he can't watch all the time.
It's a convenience thing,

you will see,

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posted November 20, 2004 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was rushed getting to work today and did not get a chance to more than say hi to the Libra/Gemini. Boo...so, no chance to mention plans...I should have made more effort though.

Why would you conclude that he is "99% stuck on me" right now? Just curious.

Ok, I know I'm way over analyizing this whole thing..my natural tendency :rollseyes:

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posted November 20, 2004 11:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra/Geminis love being analyzed:>

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posted November 21, 2004 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, my high-strung nature when under stress is not pushing him away? He's not seen me under any other condition, as work always equals stress.

And he'd like to know I was analyzing the situation? Wow. Totally different than other guys I've known.

I almost feel like, weird and not me as this sounds, if I don't talk with him today, I should have a note ready to hand to him....saying we should hang out soon (maybe with my cell # on it?)...
Is that out of character of what one would expect from me, or is it just my Aries-rising lack of patience showing through?

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posted November 22, 2004 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Libra/Gemini is still confusing the h*ll out of me...No mention of the 'no-show', or maybe it wasn't really plans? He and I talked yesterday night, tells me he still hasn't seen that movie...Maybe he not interested in me "that" way? What else can I conclude? I'm sick of mind games.

Mom says he sounds just immature, friend says he sounds shy. If someone was shy, why would they have mentioned going anywhere with me in the first place, then not make definite plans? I'm lost.

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posted November 22, 2004 10:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He won't be clear, he will leave plans up to you, that's the way Libra/Gem men are, even married to you, you still won't know what his plans are.

Trust, me I was married to one for 8 years, and he never made it absolutely clear if he liked me in anyway, just liked hanging out with all the time. I took that as a yes. Clear decisions are absent.

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posted November 22, 2004 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But Natasha,
If I take the "initative" into my hands, will it be to him like I'm the one chasing him? I don't want it to blow up in my face sometime in the distant future when he might say say "you were the one who went after me, not the other way around"...

Does he see it as, he's done his part and let me know he'd like us to hang out, and the rest is up to me?

Does he likely see this as a romantic relationship or are we still at the friends stage? I mean, not to be blunt, but I've never been kissed,...would he see us hanging out as something going in that direction? What is your experience in that department with your Libra/Gemini?

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He has done all the chasing he's going to! They are not very passionate in the chasing department unless you borrow his shirt. He won't give much in the way of Romantic Maintenance. He is good with accounting programs, and dissecting movies.

He probably thinks you are in a romantic relationship, he may bring you a book, or mention he misses you, or wants you to call him, and that's as romantic as it's going to get, shy is the word. But I liked that, as I always pick shy guys.

He may bug you with his shyness after a while, mine would rarely want to meet new people, unless he met them on his own. He wasn't gregarious, friendly, but aloof.

Kissing he may like that a lot, but little kisses, he's not going to push you for intimacy. And you always have to tell him he looks good to get a kiss, he needs to be ego stroked often.

This is not a passionate Scorpio like dude.
I would accept him for what he offers, his feelings run deep but intimacy may bother him on a daily basis. He may be confusing you with communication to make sure you're interested, or just for fun, he is an air/air man. Mine would love to play games on the phone, and would often not show up for plans.

I would date others, but keep him as a non posessive friend. He would prefer that too, as Libra/Gemini needs to have lots of relationships to stay healthy, because he is so shy.

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posted November 22, 2004 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wasn't looking for a "non possessive friend"...bah.

Why on earth would he think I was in a romantic realtionship? He has mentioned lending me a book (a vampire romance novel, he regularly reads them)...but as I don't have his number and he doesn't have mine, the calling thing isn't relevent.

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posted November 22, 2004 02:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to air men:>
They approach romance differently!

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posted November 23, 2004 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gawsh....then how do you ever know if air men are approaching you with "romance" on the mind? I have had no further indications that the Libra/Gem is into me at all....


My Gemmy (Tony) is so much easier to get a vibe from, perhaps due to his possible Sag rising and possible Aries moon...

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Everyone is different, but mostly air men approach you through intellectual stimulation, movies, games, fixing things, he may offer to help you fix a condition in your life, give advice, act protective, borrow something, loan you something, call you about it for hours. Air men love to talk on the phone. Mine could call me about separate things, ten times a day. If he asks you if you have a cell phone. They like pets.

This is not a sign that will grab you and kiss you, he may kiss the back of your neck, that's how mine made the first move, but then I had to stand right in front of him with my neck bared, wearing a low cut shirt, it took all night.

I had to encourage him, "I love being kissed on the back of my neck"

That kind of thing, he offered me a back rub when I mentioned my back was REALLY SORE!!!!

On the plus side, LIbra/Gem men are really caring, and remember you forever. My ex still calls to see how I am, and manages things I can't, he's really detached and unemotional about work, but can lose it in a parking garage if he thinks a man is checking me out, or he is disrespectful in front of me, he was really insecure in front of other men. In fact if you seem to have another man in your life, he will most likely go away for a while and sulk. Right now I am managing an insurance claim, and he is very helpful.

But if we try to meet for lunch he is always late and we bicker.

So for what its' worth..., make sure to read all about Air men in posts. Yes an Aries moon and Sag rising would be very different, I have a lot of fire in my chart, and I am pretty much assertive about my emotions, they are on the surface.

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posted November 23, 2004 09:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Natasha,

Wow, what you wrote above is accurate. I am impressed. You helped me out! I have been dating Air Sign men more than any other this year. You had me laughing at how they are hesitant about forward displays of affection. So true. They love intellectual stimulation. But I have Sun & Mars in Aries . . . :-O

I totally relate with the both of you! May be it's the Aries in us?

Love

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I find this entire coversation quite fascinating in that I'm a Gemini Sun with Venus conjunct it and my Midheaven in my 10th house.I also have an intense Moon/Mars conjuction in Aries in my 8th house. Good luck with your friend!!

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posted November 23, 2004 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hehe, Amy, yes, kinda funny how no matter what other placements we ladies have in our charts, our Aries influence does take over the romance department of our lives.

Personally, I'm so tired of waiting around for someone I'm into to visibly express they like/desire me in a reciprocal fashion, I just wish someone would playfuly grab me around the waist and give me a warm hug, a peck on the cheek, or both to test the waters. Granted, I choose non-assertive men, so go figure...

BTW, Robby, I'd love it if you could shed some light on my Gemmy guy friend...how are you like emotionally, figuring in the Aries moon, and what effect does it have on your Venus/Sun Gemini conjunction? So, your riisng sign must be Leo or Virgo, right?

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Air men like the woman to put on the bearskin and ravish the man, break down his door and cover him with kisses! At least that's his fantasy, he looks good for you, prepares the scene, has food ready and waits:>

You could give him reasons to kiss you, and if you reason with him, and he sees the purpose he will kiss you, but it's not spontaneous. The real question, is do you find him attractive enough to kiss quite a bit? He will need a lot attention, as proof of your loyalty and affection.
Better to kiss him, when you are sure, don't kiss him to find out if you are sure.

If that makes sense.

Natasha

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Yes,I do have a late Virgo Ascendent (around 24).I AM SINGLE, and haven't dated much (mostly due to $$$ problems), so I don't know if I could help much there.

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