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Lauren
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posted January 04, 2006 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lauren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steelrose,

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I like gentlemen behaving as gentlemen… at least some of them. I may sound old-fashioned, but hey, it’s what I like…

I like that as well. I think it's sweet. I don't demand it, but it’s nice. What I do demand of any relationship (friends/lovers/family etc) is respect for me as a person (not to do with my gender) and I return that. I think I would feel odd if any of my male friends would over do it with the gentleman treatment.. because it would make me wonder. I'd prefer friends to treat me as a friend, not in any way that seems romantic.. But opening a door or pulling out a seat, I don't see anything wrong with that. It’s just courtesy type things I guess.. If someone likes to do that I’d find it sweet..If they don’t I wouldn’t mind either way. My bf’s a Libra and he has his gentleman moments which I like… but that’s because I love him lol, so everything’s cuter if he does it.

Nove, I think you were talking about girls who are being manipulative and demanding. I understand this, like AJ said as well.. I know a lot of girls like that..I also know guys like that..who demand and expect a lot more than they give bk, due to a superiority complex. I don’t think it’s nice or fair.

But I also think when you have friends and they’re good friends.. whether they are male or female, it’s nice to do nice things that make them happy every now and then.. When you say

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I see no reason that I should go out of my way to try to please a woman (ie, pulling out her chair, opening doors, etc.) when it's not even my objective to please them. I'm not attracted to women physically.
I do see a reason to go out of your way to please a woman or a man.. at some points not 24/7, but every now and then..if they’re your friends why shouldn’t you? And the reason is, just to “be nice” or make them feel good. All I’m saying is..if you know your male friend likes peanuts, why not get him peanuts..just to be nice.. If you know your female friend on the other hand likes bananas.. why not get her bananas. What you said sounds a bit like "you would only please someone if you are attracted to them..but since you're not attracted to women, why bother"..I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant by it.. but that's how it came out and I disagree with that. I mean sure, if someone is a cold manipulative person,.. I can understand the "why bother" comment...but if they are a good friends...male or female.. then why not bother or go the extra mile

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Lauren
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posted January 04, 2006 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lauren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have come to the happy realization (and it took long enough) that I don't need to measure my success by the amount of friends I have, the amount of guys I attract etc

AT, I'm liking this realisation, and it's very true. I also feel this way.

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nove731
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posted January 04, 2006 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lauren, I didn't mean it like that. I meant like...I don't know. I can't articulate it very well. It's like. Being polite is one thing. But I don't see why I should be forced to do that for someone based on my gender. Honestly. I think that's stupid...I don't think girls should expect it either, based on their gender. Most girls I know, expect the guy to pay for everything on a date. They expect doors opened, and chairs pulled out. Some of the girls I go to school with will seriously stand there and WAIT for you to open the door instead of opening it themselves if they're on a date. They'll just stand in front of it and look at you, and give you this "Ahem." kind of thing. It's just kind of like...Um...hello...you're closer, and you have arms...

It's a princess sort of mentality, and it really irks me. I just kind of feel like saying "Um, wow, I'm not here to kiss your ass, sorry." I don't see the point behind it. In my mind it's just kind "You have a vagina. And? That doesn't make you special. You're just like the rest of us."

sthenri, I wasn't trying to offend you by quoting you. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings or peeved you in some way. Usually, when I go to other forums, quoting is the only way I can grab someone's attention.

I still don't understand how a man being gay translates into a man hating women, though. To my mind, that makes little, if any sense. :-?

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steelrose
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posted January 04, 2006 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steelrose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AT, I agree with you regarding respect, whatever you are a man or a woman. The respect you deserve as a friend. And also, about the “trying to buy” people with presents… Some guys tend to think they can buy sex with them (or with special treatment…). Yes. I fully agree with you: Sex is much more special than all that and I also hate to feel that I’m being pushed or forced by over praising or excess of gifts. Some people buy stuff because they can’t give you anything better (love, mental stimulation… whatever…). But on the other hand, I love to give presents and receive them… In the right measure…

Lauren I loved your post. Absolutely.

Treating a woman as a lady or a man as a gentleman is courtesy. A lovely game that shouldn’t hide other intentions such as getting non-deserved sex or other services. Loved your comment about peanuts and bananas… So true…

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steelrose
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posted January 04, 2006 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steelrose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nove, if that is the kind of women you are used to, then I see your point...

Not all women are that way, right?

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nove731
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posted January 04, 2006 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hah. Steelrose, no, most aren't. But the point is, I know girls who ARE like that, and I don't like the attitude. To be honest...I really get along well with most girls, and not at all with most guys.

I chalk it up to them being daddy's girl types. Although, in truth, that's a bit of a gross stereotype both ways. Not all daddy's girl types are like that, and not all girls who are like that are daddy's girl types.

But I still think it's dumb that (especially here in the South), if you don't open doors and stuff (ie, in my mind, treat a woman as equal), you're considered being impolite, and rude. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE A GIRL AND YOU ARE A BOY. I also think it's dumb that some people (especially of my grandparent's generation) think that it's required.

I'm all too happy to be polite. If I see a woman at the mall struggling with her kids or a big package or something, I'll for sure hold the door open. But I don't think some girl should just stop in front of a door and expect me to open it for her just BECAUSE she's a girl...

If that makes sense...:-?

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proxieme
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posted January 04, 2006 06:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I open doors for everyone, if they're behind me

Mine's an unbiased, female's chilvary

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 04, 2006 08:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings ppl ..

not read all the posts here .. yet

thought i'd drop this in ......

.. there is a word in the dictionary .. for a person who hates women ...

..... "misogynist" ....

..... "misogyny" ...

yet to find the one that means man hater ....

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sthenri
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posted January 04, 2006 08:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nove, I wasn't really referring to hate and gay men, I was imagining companionship, in that gay men prefer to hang out with other men. There are men who just dislike women as companions, that's not really hate, it's just being impersonal.

My intense Pluto sometimes gets righteous about being ignored! Don't know why I need attention sometimes.

As for those women who do the Ahem thing! Tell her to open the door yourself!

I know a Scorpio guy in our office who does that-he never puts up with that and he is well respected and liked.

Even I take things very personally am not bothered by that.

Anyway I am sorry to hear these women are walking all over you emotionally. It's not cool, to expect others to wait on you. Just not cool. A girl did this to me once in an office, was very superior. Refused to share her paperclips for God's sake. It's snobbery.

I would say
It's not cool to expect me to wait on you, because I can't do it all the time. Are we cool on that?? Are we still friends? Great, Bye.

Natasha

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ariestiger
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posted January 04, 2006 08:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with proxieme.

Opening doors should be an automatic, not necessarily a conscious, thing.

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lalalinda
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posted January 04, 2006 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus square Pluto can also be unrequited love.

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Azalaksh
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posted January 04, 2006 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HD ~

From "Ask Jeeves" --

Q. A misogynist hates women. What do you call a person who hates men?
A. A misandrist.

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bullhead
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posted January 05, 2006 11:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
speaking of opening doors, pulling chairs
as long as they just being themselves, i dont mind if they pay attention to these small details or not, of course, it will make the lady feel special but guys pls pls dont do it cuz u try to be someone ur not suppose to be. thats very annoying, i know this guy he do it so obvious in the begining, and yes, only in the begining. so fake.

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whaaat
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posted July 24, 2014 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for whaaat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by WaterNymph:
You know who you are jp

Anyway, I’ve been looking at the charts of these “all men are ( insert something negative ) “ women…and I’ve found they all have aspects between Venus and Pluto ( usually negative ).

Coincidence?

I think so …but what do you think?

Also what about Men who hate women??

*edited to add

Certain negative Saturn aspects also shows in their chart.


*raises hand* Venus opposite Pluto is the bane of my existence. I don't really think that all men are () but I haven't met a single man who I didn't immediately view as either prey or predator.

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Randall
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posted July 25, 2014 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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diamondbaby
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posted February 18, 2018 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon and/or Venus in Scorpio, Moon and/or Venus in the 8th house, Moon/Pluto and/or Venus/Pluto aspects come to my mind.

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Randall
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posted February 20, 2018 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
Moon and/or Venus in Scorpio, Moon and/or Venus in the 8th house, Moon/Pluto and/or Venus/Pluto aspects come to my mind.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted March 30, 2018 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries placements in women seem to have a problem with patriarchy. Not men per se.

I would also not necessarily say "hate". But they dislike the rigid roles society generally affords women.

I observe Moon in Aries women often do this. Or those with Sun/Moon midpoint in Aries. Mars on Moon or Mars on Sun/Moon midpoint.

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Randall
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posted March 31, 2018 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, Aries!

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ChildofVenus
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posted April 01, 2018 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Venus square Saturn and Uranus and I have issues with men. But Saturn and Uranus effects my 7th house.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted April 02, 2018 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ChildofVenus Could it be that you find most men "childish"," immature" and "stupid"?

I find that Venus/Saturn men/women have such high standards, that few impress them

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margym0o
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posted April 06, 2018 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I find that Venus/Saturn men/women have such high standards, that few impress them[/B]

Yes!

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Randall
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posted April 07, 2018 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@ChildofVenus Could it be that you find most men "childish"," immature" and "stupid"?

I find that Venus/Saturn men/women have such high standards, that few impress them


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Randall
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posted April 08, 2018 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure if that is good or bad?

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Randall
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posted April 09, 2018 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not hate, though.

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