posted January 04, 2006 05:00 AM            

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I like gentlemen behaving as gentlemen… at least some of them. I may sound old-fashioned, but hey, it’s what I like…

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I like that as well. I think it's sweet. I don't demand it, but it’s nice. What I do demand of any relationship (friends/lovers/family etc) is respect for me as a person (not to do with my gender) and I return that. I think I would feel odd if any of my male friends would over do it with the gentleman treatment.. because it would make me wonder. I'd prefer friends to treat me as a friend, not in any way that seems romantic.. But opening a door or pulling out a seat, I don't see anything wrong with that. It’s just courtesy type things I guess.. If someone likes to do that I’d find it sweet..If they don’t I wouldn’t mind either way. My bf’s a Libra and he has his gentleman moments which I like… but that’s because I love him lol, so everything’s cuter if he does it.

Nove, I think you were talking about girls who are being manipulative and demanding. I understand this, like AJ said as well.. I know a lot of girls like that..I also know guys like that..who demand and expect a lot more than they give bk, due to a superiority complex. I don’t think it’s nice or fair.

But I also think when you have friends and they’re good friends.. whether they are male or female, it’s nice to do nice things that make them happy every now and then.. When you say

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I see no reason that I should go out of my way to try to please a woman (ie, pulling out her chair, opening doors, etc.) when it's not even my objective to please them. I'm not attracted to women physically.

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posted January 04, 2006 05:03 AM            

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I have come to the happy realization (and it took long enough) that I don't need to measure my success by the amount of friends I have, the amount of guys I attract etc

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posted January 04, 2006 05:51 AM            

It's a princess sort of mentality, and it really irks me. I just kind of feel like saying "Um, wow, I'm not here to kiss your ass, sorry." I don't see the point behind it. In my mind it's just kind "You have a vagina. And? That doesn't make you special. You're just like the rest of us."

sthenri, I wasn't trying to offend you by quoting you. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings or peeved you in some way. Usually, when I go to other forums, quoting is the only way I can grab someone's attention.

posted January 04, 2006 05:53 AM            

Lauren I loved your post. Absolutely.

posted January 04, 2006 06:39 AM            

I chalk it up to them being daddy's girl types. Although, in truth, that's a bit of a gross stereotype both ways. Not all daddy's girl types are like that, and not all girls who are like that are daddy's girl types.

But I still think it's dumb that (especially here in the South), if you don't open doors and stuff (ie, in my mind, treat a woman as equal), you're considered being impolite, and rude. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE A GIRL AND YOU ARE A BOY. I also think it's dumb that some people (especially of my grandparent's generation) think that it's required.

I'm all too happy to be polite. If I see a woman at the mall struggling with her kids or a big package or something, I'll for sure hold the door open. But I don't think some girl should just stop in front of a door and expect me to open it for her just BECAUSE she's a girl...

posted January 04, 2006 08:18 AM              

not read all the posts here .. yet

thought i'd drop this in ......

.. there is a word in the dictionary .. for a person who hates women ...

..... "misogynist" ....

..... "misogyny" ...

posted January 04, 2006 08:27 AM              

My intense Pluto sometimes gets righteous about being ignored! Don't know why I need attention sometimes.

As for those women who do the Ahem thing! Tell her to open the door yourself!

I know a Scorpio guy in our office who does that-he never puts up with that and he is well respected and liked.

Even I take things very personally am not bothered by that.

Anyway I am sorry to hear these women are walking all over you emotionally. It's not cool, to expect others to wait on you. Just not cool. A girl did this to me once in an office, was very superior. Refused to share her paperclips for God's sake. It's snobbery.

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It's not cool to expect me to wait on you, because I can't do it all the time. Are we cool on that?? Are we still friends? Great, Bye.

posted January 04, 2006 01:39 PM            

From "Ask Jeeves" --

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Originally posted by WaterNymph:
You know who you are jp

Anyway, I’ve been looking at the charts of these “all men are ( insert something negative ) “ women…and I’ve found they all have aspects between Venus and Pluto ( usually negative ).

Coincidence?

I think so …but what do you think?

Also what about Men who hate women??

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Certain negative Saturn aspects also shows in their chart.

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posted February 20, 2018 10:35 AM            

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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
Moon and/or Venus in Scorpio, Moon and/or Venus in the 8th house, Moon/Pluto and/or Venus/Pluto aspects come to my mind.

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posted March 30, 2018 12:45 PM            

I would also not necessarily say "hate". But they dislike the rigid roles society generally affords women.

posted April 06, 2018 05:20 PM            

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I find that Venus/Saturn men/women have such high standards, that few impress them[/B]

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posted April 07, 2018 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@ChildofVenus Could it be that you find most men "childish"," immature" and "stupid"?

I find that Venus/Saturn men/women have such high standards, that few impress them

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