posted March 21, 2006 02:19 PM              

Also, my Moon (8th house) is closly trine his N Node (in his 2nd house). Interesting that this trine is placed in opposite houses for us... I am not quite sure how to interpret the trining nodal aspect, especially with the opposite house thing involved.
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My N Node (5th house) is closly trine my boyfriend's Jupiter (his 11th).

Also my S Node (11th house) is conjunct his Chiron (his 9th). But natally my S Node is conjunct my own Chiron so i'm not sure this aspect would 'bother' me much <shrug> Do you think that maybe in the past we both got hurt together or by each other?

Thanks for any input

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

posted March 21, 2006 02:47 PM              

You said:

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Pretending I never said anything about "reducing astrology time"...my question is, are midpoints only important in synastry and in connection with transits to these points, or can useful information also be deduced from midpoint pictures in a natal chart? If so, which are the midpoints (beside Sun/Moon) that are considered of premier importance? (Creating my own natal chart Ebertin style on Astrodienst resulted in a HUGE list of midpoints...

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Yes, it can be difficult to get away from astrology once you start to look into it...there is so much to LEARN! Midpoints are useful in astrological analysis anywhere you find them, in birth charts, synastry, transits, progressions, etc.

Personally, my challenge with midpoints is EXACTLY what you mentioned...there are so MANY of them, and they DO make reading a chart more complex. For me, in looking at the "big picture" of the chart, I have found that midpoints tend to re-enforce the themes of the chart. So, I focus mostly in interpreting the easily seen signs/planets/houses and the aspects between them...and trust that the midpoints will re-enforce the themes that come out of these combinations in some way, and so the midpoints don't need to be looked at. But, if you DO decide to look at midpoints, they are VERY interesting.

posted March 21, 2006 02:48 PM              

So Sun/Moon is:
Self-expression (Sun) "squished together" with Home, also emotions (Moon)

This indicates a point in the chart sensitive to emotional self-expression of some sort.

A full list of keywords for "squishing is in Step 5 of my astrological website listed below.

You also may need to have a calculator to help you find midpoints in charts you are looking at: http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/midpoints/index.php

The midpoints of "premier importance" will vary from chart to chart. In general, if a planet in your chart squares, opposes, or conjuncts a midpoint...then it is of "premier importance" to you!

Happy squishing!

Tim

posted March 21, 2006 03:09 PM              

You said:

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Tim W if you have any other helpful insights on these, please let me know!
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[1]...my boyfriend's N Node (his 2nd house) is conjunct my Sun/Pluto natal conjunction (in my 4th house)! Does this mean I might help him with material posessions / money? Or is it that he may help my inner most self / home life? Or both?!
[2]...my Moon (8th house) is closly trine his N Node (in his 2nd house)...
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[3]My N Node (5th house) is closly trine my boyfriend's Jupiter (his 11th).

[4]...my S Node (11th house) is conjunct his Chiron (his 9th). But natally my S Node is conjunct my own Chiron...Do you think that maybe in the past we both got hurt together or by each other?

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First of all, the last shall be first! So let's look at Case 4. As you may already know, the challenge with Chiron (where you are wounded and need to be healed) conjunct (energy is combined with) your South node (the past), you might have a tendency to "hold on" to "old wounds" and this might make you nervous about "stepping out" into your North node. As I mentioned elsewhere, I do not focus on what MIGHT have happened in a past life, but on what we are trying to develop in THIS life.

To simplify nodal interpretation between two people, I look at the chart from the point of view of the North node person. So I will only look at the houses of the North node person only.

Case 1:
my boyfriend's N Node (future goals) (his 2nd house (physical, also values) ) is conjunct (energy is combined with) my Sun (self-expression) / Pluto (transformation, also power, other people's values)

This could indicate your powerful self-expression directly helps your boyfriend with his goal of developing his own values by making him aware of other people's values. Although "values" might involve money, it doesn't need to...unless you decide to become a bank!

Case 2:
my Moon (home, also emotions) trine (energy goes very easily with my boyfriend's N Node (future goals) (his 2nd house (physical, also values) )

This could indicate that you emotionally support your boyfriend and his goals of developing his values

Case 3:
My N Node (future goals) (5th house (self-expression) ) trine (energy goes very easily with) my boyfriend's Jupiter (expansion, also wisdom, opportunity)

This could indicate that your boyfriend's understanding in some ways gives you an opportunity to develop your self-expressive goals

Guessing,

posted March 21, 2006 03:50 PM              

N.node op. S.node...
S.node trine mars..
N.node squared..mars

posted March 21, 2006 05:26 PM              

lalalinda has information about past life/karmic astrology on this page: http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=display private&number=12&topic=000397

There was also a recent discussion about this: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008533.html

Linking in the present,

posted March 22, 2006 02:26 PM              

I've said it before, but i'll say it again, I just love how you simplify things and make those 'astro sentences'. It really has helped me structure my learning and absorb more of this stuff. I've actually been looking at your website this morning to help me try and interpret a certain aspect in my friend's chart. Your site has really helped me a bunch!

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

posted March 22, 2006 03:00 PM            

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This indicates a point in the chart sensitive to emotional self-expression of some sort.

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posted March 22, 2006 05:34 PM              

Thanks for the information! I'm going to take another look at step 5 of your website soon in order to start "squishing"!
As for Ebertin's book, I believe I have actually held it in hands before at the library, but didn't really know what to make of it at the time. Now I know, so it seems like a good idea to pay that library another visit soon .

posted March 22, 2006 05:56 PM              

Midpoints are just that, points in our chart at the middle between two planetary energies. Points, unlike planets, have no energy of themselves, and yet they indicate strong focuses in our life. Points in our chart are Ascendant, Nadir, Descendant, Midheaven, North node, and South node. We can also add "midpoints" to this list.

Midpoints are created at the point between any two planets. So there is no energy at that point itself (only planets or other heavenly bodies have energy), and yet this point can respond when either our birth chart or moving planets in the chart* "activate" the midpoint by aspecting it.

Which brings me (finally! ) to why the midpoint I described to newbie was about "emotional self-expression". Since the Sun is about self-expression, and the Moon is about our emotions, the Sun/Moon midpoint is about BOTH our self-expression and our emotions at the SAME time. Aspects made to this Sun/Moon midpoint will "activate" our "emotional self-expression" in some form (or our "self-expressive emotions" if you prefer it that way! ).

As with all situations in astrology the ONLY person who knows exactly what "emotional self-expression" means is...the person whose chart it is!

In the middle,

Tim

*Moving planets in the chart include transits, progressions, Solar Arcs, etc.

posted March 23, 2006 01:27 AM              

You said:

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So the signs that the midpoints are in may have less significance than the aspects to these midpoints.

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I wouldn't quite put it that way. Instead, think of the midpoint as just another "point" in your chart, like the Ascendant. For example, if you had Gemini modifying your Ascendant (work with me, here! ) you wouldn't say, "Gemini is not that important in relation to the Ascendant, only aspects to my Ascendant are important." No, you would say, "Gemini modifies my Ascendant, and so, in order to understand how my Ascendant works, I have to understand what Gemini energy does to my Ascendant."

The case is similar here: Scorpio modifies your midpoint (Sun/Moon), so, in order to understand what your midpoint means, you also have to understand what Scorpio energy does to this midpoint.

Let's use the astro-sentence to make this clear (see Step 5 if you want to learn more about the "astro-sentence"). You have:
Scorpio modifying Sun/Moon

which is

Scorpio (transformation, also power) modifying Sun/Moon (self-expressive emotions)

which indicates

Powerful self-expressive emotions

This midpoint will become noticeable when any planet in your chart aspects it. With Jupiter (expansion) conjunct (energy is combined with) this midpoint, your POWERFUL self-expressive emotions (or, as you put it, following my previous example, emotional self-expression) is expansive.

Expansive, self-expressive emotions is one thing, but expansive, POWERFUL self-expressive emotions is something else entirely! I agree with you: "That could get me in trouble."!

Explaining how signs fit into midpoints,

Tim

posted March 24, 2006 01:31 AM            

Maybe it's a glitch at Astro.com or something, but today is their bigger free horoscope day, and for some reason they put in mine Jupiter Conjunct Moon. Yet when I go to the transit extended chart it clearly shows Jupiter in Scorpio like we talked about. Is it a glitch?

Thanks,

posted March 24, 2006 11:30 AM              

I am a little uncertain from your description which is the transiting (planets in the sky) planet and which is the birth (planets you were born with) planet. If Jupiter is the transiting planet (and Moon is your birth planet), using my Astro.com-generated ephemeris , I see transiting Jupiter is at 18 degrees Scorpio for a LONG time (i.e., many weeks). So if your birth Moon isn't close to 18 degrees Scorpio (orb (how close a planet has to be to be in aspect) of 10 degrees, in my opinion) your transiting Jupiter is NOT conjunct your birth Moon.

Explaining,

posted April 17, 2007 10:39 AM              

My man's Venus is conjunct my NN in Leo(My 3rd house,his 2nd) with a 1 degree orb.He also has NN in Leo...but it's not close enough to mine to be considered an actual "conjunction".We have no SN contacts...neither of us has anything in Aquarius.(Guess we have no past life history...LOL!)Would this mean he is "pulling me forward" in relationships?

posted April 17, 2007 11:47 AM              

In my opinion, yes, there his relationsips STRONGLY pulls you into your life goals.

Agreeing,

posted April 17, 2007 02:08 PM              

The first thing I look for is conjunctions to the South node, because they indicate that that person could hold us back in life. A Pluto connection to the South node is a strong connection, so this person could hold you back from your future goals (i.e., North node sign, position, and house).

However, some couples manage to work out these issues between them so the other person doesn't hold them back at all. Just be aware of when he seems to be "dragging on you" and kindly but firmly let him know you want to do something else instead.

Relating,

posted April 17, 2007 06:08 PM              

Try creating a home (Cancer) business (Saturn).

Suggesting,