posted May 24, 2007 05:12 PM              

its your whole objectivity thing tht made me suspicious

posted May 24, 2007 05:17 PM            

What I try to offer is what I know as facts and general psycological afflications related to human instincts yet I am also the same person whose greatly interested in the darker side of unexplainable human behavior (i.e. errotisism, etc. Hey... Its only scary if you don't understand it )

Offcourse, different individual pasts and circumstances define a person's views on the world; No doubt about that.

I am just highlighting the general case senerio; that is all .

posted May 24, 2007 05:18 PM            

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Hence I go back to my point on how one cannot be too sensitive

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We weren't talking about sensitivity. We were talking about CrankyCap's statement about how men and women "should be."

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Scorpio in Satrun and Pluto...

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posted May 24, 2007 05:19 PM              

This is the way I see Libra.

posted May 24, 2007 05:25 PM            

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In most cases... Being way in touch in one's feelings leads to utter confusion. In the ehat of the moment and a struggle, one needs to put the feelings aside for the moment and concentrate on the task at hand objectively. Way overly sensitive people tend to have difficulty doing that.

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And I agree, hence us emphasizing the importance of balance. Unfortuanely that was not my point. I said what I said because it seemed to me that people were equating sensitivity with over-dependency; I was only trying to point out that that is not true.

CrankyCap,

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I still believe that aggression is primarily a masculine trait, and sensitivity a feminine one. I also believe that in a primal sense, a woman will be physically attracted INITIALLY to a very masculine, confident, proud man. However, over time, if no sensitivity or selflessness is shown, that very trait that attracted the female in the first place will become repellent.

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Yeah, I'm attracted to masculinity too. My point throughout this entire thread is that you don't have to be Mr. Selfish-I-am-all-about-satisfying-my-overinflated-ego Alpha male in order to be masculine. The Primal Instincts theory does not apply in this day and age. I mean for Christ Sakes; we're not in the friggin Savanna and this is not the Lion King. People should not be pidgeonholed into certain categories,ie. If I say I'm not attracted to the alpha male, then I'm not attracted to the Alpha male. Don't try to convince me otherwise, or tell me that I'm just repressing an "urge".

Xodian again,

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guess we can go back to the argument Dulce pointed out; There is a difference between sensitvity and spinelessness. However, sensitivity is usually associated with spinelessness because the man/woman usually lacks the aggressive traits to stand up and fight for his/her position.

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This I completely disagree with. The reason sensitivity is associated with spinelessness is the fault of society and society only. Society never accepts the emotional and therefore consider it weak.

posted May 24, 2007 05:29 PM            

Touche. And my bad; Flip the statement around. What I ment to say was Pluto and Satrun in Scorpio.

ILWL:

Oh I am not denying that I get way to objective with life. Its all what I have known (aside from casual freedom and independent achievement; If there is such a thing Lol!) I extremely believe in the power of self-actualization . The only problem is once I get on a set goal, I usually end up forgetting others around me and concentrate on the task at hand. Sad to say this is why I end up breaking my relationships off myself. A girl deserves full commitment in a relationship or no commitment at all. Not fair to leave her hanging while I go on defining my life now is it.

Ah well... Love comes in its own way; I doubt even cupid was aware of the fact that he would fall in love for keeps one day Lol!

posted May 24, 2007 05:37 PM            

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This I completely disagree with. The reason sensitivity is associated with spinelessness is the fault of society and society only. Society never accepts the emotional and therefore consider it weak.

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posted May 24, 2007 05:38 PM            

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Pluto and Satrun in Scorpio

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posted May 24, 2007 05:49 PM            

Pisces on the 8th House Cusp
Taurus on the 10th House Cusp
Cancer on the 12th House Cusp

posted May 24, 2007 05:58 PM            

Was just reading the personality description related to some of these placements and some of em don't fit me at all.

posted May 24, 2007 06:48 PM            

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Libra on the 3rd House Cusp
Libra energy is always responsive and conciliating, assuming the appropriate reaction or delicately-weighted strategic response to any question or statement. What is sometimes seen as two-faced is only Libra's facility at responding to each in kind, giving both sides equal consideration. This is certainly the social sign, par excellence. Impersonal and impartial, this sign doles out only what is demanded - nothing overdone, but nothing neglected.

Venus in the 3rd House
You love to communicate and pursue conversations. The mental world appeals to you, and you are very discriminating (but appreciative) when it comes to concepts, ideas, thoughts, and the like. You value good research and real inquiry.

Saturn in the 3rd House
You don't waste words, and communications tend to be short and to-the-point. You are very determined and deliberate when it comes to mental work and would make an excellent researcher or scientist. You concentrate on what is essential.

Pluto in the 3rd House
A good detective or research person. You can't help but get past all that is superficial. A passion for inquiry, questioning and searching finds you always in pursuit of some piece of information... communicating, writing, speaking.

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posted May 24, 2007 06:57 PM            

Dulce, I wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything. That was and is my opinion, and it's quite alright with me if you disagree. Sometimes my thoughts run a whole lot faster than I can type and I think when I spit things out they can be taken the wrong way. I was trying to explain why women might be attracted to the dominant type of man...but I never meant for it to sound like ALL women are attracted to that. Blame that on my Mercury in Sag....

posted May 24, 2007 07:29 PM              

Xodian is not being picked apart. And especially not for his similarity of views to you.

In fact, I agree with both of you. I am a cappy, so i can identify with tht 'leaning on' thing absolutely.

Xodian mentioned his views on sensitivity, which seemed particularly 'objective'. The 'reasons' for which are being ferreted out.

Btw, Xodian, saturn also represents fears and lessons to be learnt. and in scorpio it can represent lessons to be learnt in that area.

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Objectivity is the main netural zone since subjectivity leads to conflicted views. The only way to satisfy subjectivity would be to let everyone duke it out and see who comes on top in the end

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Subjectivity can also lead to greater understanding and compassion. Objectivity can disguise a contempt for anyone who doesn't follow the accepted norm.

posted May 24, 2007 07:33 PM            

Nah! I don't mind it at all. If views aren't questioned, no one learns and no one arrives at an actuallization they may have never thought of before .

ILWL:

posted May 24, 2007 10:14 PM            

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it would be like having hitler and mussolini under the same roof.

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Actually, If I remember correctly, Mussolini was the bumbling idiot of this cozy twosome. But I digress...

Xodian,

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And there is a reason for that; We have evolved Dulce but not in the way many would like. Objectivity is the main netural zone since subjectivity leads to conflicted views. The only way to satisfy subjectivity would be to let everyone duke it out and see who comes on top in the end Lol! Thus... the possibility of anarchy comes into question and people aren't exactly comfortable with that idea

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You see, I kind have this idea (and correct me if I'm wrong please) that you see subjectivity in a completely negative light. Ironically, that's not being objective. Yes, it has it negative side which you just pointed out but it can have its positives as well as ILWL just pointed out as well: it can also lead to compassion and understanding. Objectivity has it very good points; it leads to fairness. It also has its bad points though and this shows up in any justice system and my disdain for the way they end up judging very harshly all in the name of fairness. A world that is ruled by objectivity alone is a very cold one IMO. And ofcourse, a world ruled by Subjectivity alone is a very unstable one IMO.
There's a judge here in my state who comes on every day at noon on the Local State channel with his own court show and I honestly think he's a perfect balance of the two (very rare in the justice world).

Back to sensitivity, its just dissapointing to me that as a result of societal views and norms, there are some types of people who have it easier in life (the rational,extroverted,fire and air,etc.); whereas there is no place in this world for other types of people (the emotional,empathetic,introverted,earth and water, etc.). Yeah, I know we evolved that way and such, but does that reeeally make it right?