posted October 27, 2007 11:18 AM              

i am sick and tired of the fact that people blame or bless a certain aspect without looking at the people involved.
Johhny- June Cash had an venus-pluto square, moon- pluto opposition. anyone who has seen their Biopic will recognise strongly the plutonian drama that played throughout their relationship. here is my research http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014290.html

also i have seen that venus- pluto is involved in a lot of taboo situations,
Cash- Carter, Antonio Banderas and Melanie Griffith, Newman-Woodward etc. all of them had a stable marriage goin on when their so called stability evapourated with this venus- pluto aspect. they all commited adultery on their spouses but they all ended up happy. i guess pluto destroyed their superficial, convenience based relationships to reveal true love. i remember in an interview, Melanie said that though she was married when she met Antonio , she felt she would die if she did not get him http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014046.html

same with the " walk the line " drama,both June and Johhny cheated on their spouses, alcoholic problems, etc,etc.

Paul Newman left his family for Joanne who in that conservative period was hailed as an evil witch a la Angeline for ruining a marriage for Sex.they have a Dw venus- pluto

posted October 27, 2007 02:14 PM            

I understand what you mean about not looking at the people involved who are living out these aspects. Unfortunately I don't have access to Paul Newman, but it would be GREAT if I did.

The best we can do is go by our own experiences and share that. There are a lot of people in this discussion that I just read today who mention that they got married with Venus-Pluto squares and that's new for me, and it's good for me to hear that people assimilate different experiences. The truth is, you can't know all of anyone's intimate relationship details. The closest we've come to that is Nick & Jessica's newlyweds show or some other relationship reality shows.

I actually bought the DVD's to study their charts and it was fascinating to watch their interactions and how they matched their charts and their synastry and also knowing that their marriage would not stay together simply based on the Sun-Uranus conjunction. It was actually perfect for them when they were traveling a lot, separately, but if they had to spend a lot of time together like they wanted to, it wouldn't last. She was constantly shocking him with her Uranus on top of his Sun and it's unbearable.

Anyway, thanks for your input with the Carter-Cash relationship and the Melanie Griffith stuff.

It's true that you can't judge anyone's chart or situation without a discussion. The astrology has to be matched to the human being, not the other way around.

Geocosmic Valentine

------------------
"Everybody is a star!"

posted October 28, 2007 11:12 PM              

Go back in your memory banks and think of a relationship that didn't
work out. It was passionate, intense, and full of sacred sexuality. You
were sure your life would unfold on a loftier level from that first kiss
onward; you were destined to be together. And six months later: poof.
Any trouble relating to this tale? I didn't think so. Now analyze that
relationship from a traditional astrological point of view. Almost
guaranteed, you can do an effective post- mortem...."Ah, yes. Look at
that. Her nasty, psychotic Pluto was square my poor, innocent Venus,"
et cetera. A close analysis of the configuration will yield a very
precise understanding of what went wrong-but it will lie to you with
great authority too! It entirely ignores the higher evolutionary
possibilities implied in that configuration. Even more dramatically,
that kind of astrological analysis fails miserably in accounting for
that feeling of sacred passion, however transitory it might have been.

If your Pluto squares my Venus, you probably have the capacity to see
right through any smarmy Venus games I might play. Maybe my sweet
manipulations don't work with you; maybe my feather-smoothing diplomacy
is as transparent as window glass. Maybe, with you, I just can't hide.
Maybe you confront me about that...and of course, as a result, maybe I
feel that you are "always on my case," that you've "appointed yourself
my psychologist," that your "need for power and control" squelches my
sexuality-all the usual interpretations of the configuration. And maybe
the truth behind those words sinks our romantic ship, just as the
fortuneteller would predict. But maybe, just maybe, I listen to you. You
plutonify my Venus, bringing up into my conscious awareness certain
slippery, defensive games I play. Maybe I have grace enough in myself,
and trust you enough, to let that humble realization happen. Maybe I
become a better person for it.

Maybe what I am really saying is that my soul grows because of your
impact on me.

posted October 28, 2007 11:39 PM            

I read that article straight from that issue when it came out. I bought it, ran right home, typed it up and studied it. I practically have the whole thing memorized because I so wished that his explaination of Venus square Pluto would be how my story would end up. But it didn't LLOOOLLL!!!

The part that did end up like that is the end, the SOUL GROWTH. I feel that if I knew the sacred passion was going to be temporary, I would probably handle it better when it was gone. But I guess those are famous last words, almost everyone thinks they'll be alright at the end of something they know can't be permanent, but when that end comes, it still hurts. But yes, I agree it is definitely "Miracle Grow" for the soul. Here's to Miracle Grow Soul Food, yummy (grrrr) yummy (grrrr) yummy.

Geocosmic Valentine (yawn)

------------------
"Everybody is a star!"

posted October 29, 2007 12:01 AM              

i think there is no authority higher than pluto and to challenge it or expect to control it is kinda foolish. it's gonna teach you what you need to learn one way or another. so of course, it is ultimately positive. but it can be really really difficult and painful too. and i think in something like a venus-pluto square the people involved need to be really honest and willing to make changes and alos not take things personally. which can be really really difficult to do, for so many reasons.

in my case, (me pluto, he venus), i think there is something to what this article is saying, though i don't know forsure *what* it is.. but i sense that my guy knows that he cannot hide from me and seems to respect my awareness and be in awe of it as well. it is a very delicate balance and i sense that it could be thrown out of whack if i started to put pressure on him or psychoanalyze him, or anything like that. but so far it has not really presented as an obstacle. something i will definitely keep my eye on though..

posted October 29, 2007 10:16 AM            

We have valentine square pluto dw
His sappho square my pluto
His Juno square my pluto
my juno bq his pluto
my amore trines his pluto

We also have my venus sextile his pluto
his venus conjuncts my pluto.
my moon also square his pluto

my pluto square his ascendant
his pluto conjuncts my ascendant.
his karma inconjunct my pluto
and chiron trine pluto and
chiron opposite pluto
his mar inconjunct my pluto

i cannot explain it but all of a sudden this relationship is making me uneasy and
queasy, nervous. it didn't before.