posted March 13, 2008 11:19 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted March 14, 2008 07:15 PM              

oops.. we don't actually have a square. it is a symbol i've never noticed before- a square with a tiny squiggle on top. not sure what that is..

posted March 14, 2008 09:08 PM            

Whenever I see a question about Venus/Pluto aspects, I'm reminded of a situation which developed about 10 years ago in which nothing made any sense to me on the rational level. Oh, I was big, very big on rationality.

That's when I was searching for answers and finding none. It's also the time in which I first encountered Linda Goodman and found the answer to my primary question which was...what the hell is going on here.

Beyond newspaper sun sign horoscopes...which generally ran to brief and pithy statements like..."today is not a good day to schedule lunch with a terrorist in Beirut" I knew nothing about astrology.

But, the picture of Linda Goodman stopped me in my tracks and through her writings, I found out exactly what the hell was going on and why.

The answer to my question involved an aspect between Venus and Pluto. In my case an opposition, my Pluto, the other person's Venus which Linda Goodman laid out in clear, concise language. Not only the what the hell is going on but why it's going on.

The energy of these aspects...especially the harsh aspects..squares and oppositions is both strong and karmic. Someone done someone wrong and it's payback time in a karmic sense...if the aspect is a square or opposition.

In these relationships it's the Pluto person who has the power in the relationship and the Venus person is being paid back for what happened long ago. It's a love...hate relationship with the harsh aspects of squares and oppositions and difficult for the Venus person to escape their karmic debt. If they do manage to escape without discharging that karmic debt, then they get to do it all over again...later.

This energy is strong. It both attracts and repels and it's very confusing to those involved and especially if they don't know anything about astrology.

This is a Linda Goodman site and I admit to being partial to her aspect interpretations.

Linda Goodman's Relationship Signs is the only Linda Goodman book I've never loaned out and therefore I still have it..dogeared as it is from years of reading and learning what the hell is going on here.

It's well worth the 10 bucks or so it costs..if you really want to know what's going on in your relationships..and why.

There are many fine astrologers on this site. They can tell you about moon nodes, astroids and most or all of the finer points of astrology including composite charts. They have studied long and hard to achieve a high degree of expertise. Still, I doubt many or any of these fine astrologers would discount the value of basic aspect interpretations...which in most cases solve the riddles of what's going on..and why.

posted March 15, 2008 05:30 AM              

would love to hear more about that realtionship of ur's, that is ,the parts u dont mind sharing as they could be a lesson. i m the venus person myself, but no pain so far...

then again i M with my other half, twin, and yes as you r write, heavy karma, but not on my side. he , the pluto person was the one who broke my heart, much to his own anguish, and suffered as much as i did. i 'd like to think we have evolved since then, so yes the energy ,unnerving as it is is welcome becoz the last time was like 500 years ago

in addition to Venus soltice pluto we also have his Draco Valentine conjunct my natal Venus conjunct chiron exactly opposing his pluto. THAT tells the whole story of him wounding my soul as the pluto person, even though i was his Valentine and he loved me truly

heartcakes, u should check out my thread in soul unions, for help overcoming any negativity with this aspect.

posted March 15, 2008 03:04 PM            

That would be Wife #1 He didn't get it right so then he married me instead.

posted March 19, 2008 12:05 AM              

My boyfriend has Venus in Sag squaring his Pluto in Virgo. I have Pluto in Virgo squaring his Venus. I still haven't figured it out - he was the one to initiate our relationship when I was still in my freedom loving, I hate relationships mode.

On another aspect his Saggy stellium squares my Venus in Pisces ( Mars, Jupiter and Neptune) - Though I have Jupiter/Neptune Square to venus...

My bf and I are 63 days apart in age - he is two months older than me......I have always gone for older but never really the same age.

Over the past 10 years it seems like there is a theme in the relationships I have been in and it seems like it's been the Venus-Pluto aspect for me.

My daughter's father's Venus in Gemini squares me Pluto in Virgo.

My last fiance had Pluto opposite my venus in pisces. That was a killer relationship to be in. He seemed to have no patience with me and always accused me of cheating - which I am actually a loyal gal.

And now currently the bf that I have now......

So I dunno....it's been an interesting obseravtion for me but I can't figure out the why I have these types of relationships in my life.......

posted March 20, 2008 02:27 AM              

heres the link to that meditation

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/003075.html

heres some threads

JOHHNY CASH - JUNE CARTER ---- DRACO DRAMA - Lindaland http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014290.html

Antonio Banderas and Melanie Griffith - Twin Souls? - Lindaland http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014046.html

Asteroids Valentine and Amor = http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009111.html

Isis and Osiris = http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014145.html

Asteroid Karma = http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009192.html

Asteroid Groups = http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014127.html

posted March 21, 2008 02:45 AM              

THE DRACONIC CHART
Soul Mates and Blood Links
by Pamela Rowe, LPMAFA, FMFAA

How many times as astrologers, have we counselled clients reliving similar disastrous relationships to those experienced in their formative years -- settling for familiarity, rather than initiating a reprogramming experience? Positive and negative astrological links shared with relatives are projected into adult relationships in a repetitious manner. This same theme of familiarity can apply to happy, productive relationships. Is fate after all, stronger than free will?

When the likely astrological links between two people are not found in the natal, progressed or directed charts, we look further afield. The Draconic chart provides pivotal information regarding the soul's purpose. The Draconic chart in relation to parent and child and between siblings, has been a source of fascination to me for years. Members of the Australian Academy of Astrology & Cosmobiology Research Group have also researched the Draconic chart as a key topic. We have concluded that the Draconic chart can be categorised as karmic, spiritual and unconscious, with possible connections to reincarnation. It pinpoints those we draw close to us in our lifetimes, to resolve unconscious issues , which in turn connects to our state of physical and emotional health. It speaks less of free will than the basic natal chart.

Through our Draconic chart we can discover how others are acutely, albeit subconsciously, aware of our soul's purpose and act accordingly -- opening life's doors and sometimes slamming them in our face. It traces where we came from (test it with parents and grandparent's charts) and where we are going (compare it with the charts of your children and soul mates). Links will be found by comparing Natal and Draconic charts, plus Draconic and Draconic. Draconic charts are also quite sensitve to transits, so compare the Draconic chart with transits of important events.

The Draconic chart highlights the importance of the 0-degrees Aries point. The distance between the natal Northern Moon Nodes or Dragon's Head and 0-degrees Aries is the adjustment increment used to convert the natal chart to its Draconic counterpart. The natal North Moon Node (ascending node) becomes 0-degrees Aries of the Draconic chart, or 'draconic equinox' and other planets and points are adjusted accordingly. English astrologer Pamela Crane is well known for her work on Draconic astrology. Pamela uses the True Moon Nodes in preference to the Mean Moon Nodes in her calculations. The difference in the resultant Draconic charts is small, but enough for me to continue to research both. In some cases the Draconic Mean Moon Node chart produces tighter, more relevant aspects.

The Draconic chart may have been overlooked because natal house placements and planetary aspects remain unaltered -- however, the zodiacal degrees can be strikingly different.

The Northern Moon Nodes in the charts of relatives and soul mates is as potentially variable as its distance from 0-degrees Aries. When adjustments are made for the Draconic chart you may be surprised at the new zodiacal links which did not exist in the natal charts -- new clues as to life's learning curve through these important people. In the case of those born with the Northern Moon Nodes at 0-degrees Aries, the natal chart is also the Draconic chart -- suggesting a person directly in touch with their soul's purpose. I would be most interested in the spiritual journey of any reader who has the Northern Moon Nodes at 0-degrees Aries.

Solar Fire and Winstar Plus software provide ready calculation of the Draconic chart. For those without this facility, the simplest and most accurate method is to convert all natal cusps and planets into their absolute zodiac positions (0-Aries=0°, 0 Taurus=30°, etc) and add the increment (distance between the natal true moon nodes and 0-degrees Aries) to each position. If answer over 360°, deduct 360°.

EXAMPLE DRACONIC CALCULATIONS
for a natal chart with a Northern Moon Node of 19°38' Scorpio

1. Distance between 19°38' Scorpio (229°38')
and 0° Aries (which is also 360°) 360° 00' Less 229° 38' = 130°22' (Increment) 2. Natal Ascendant = 14°14' Pisces = 344°14' Plus Increment 130°22' 474°36' Less 360° 360°00' = DRACONIC ASCENDANT 114°36' (24°36' CANCER) 3. Natal Jupiter = 15°07' Aries = 15°07' Plus Increment 130°22' = DRACONIC JUPITER 145°29 (25°29' LEO) etc.

As an example, consider the Richardson family of 2 adults and 2 children, both natural births. Each of the 4 has a different adjustment increment between their natal Northern Moon Nodes and 0-degrees Aries, which dramatically changes the zodiacal degree comparisons in the natal charts. In this family 22° to 28° of Cardinal signs concertinas into high significance through the Draconic Ascendant and Midheaven positions, creating a new sensitive family point for transitting planets. In addition, 5° to 6° of the fixed signs, significant in 3 of the 4 birth charts, includes the 4th person (2nd child) through her Draconic chart. New grandparent connections to each child are readily defined, plus a new draconic link to the father, through his draconic Ascendant. The Mean Moon Node has been used in this study.

Code: (Dr. = Draconic N = Natal)

FATHER MOTHER 1ST CHILD 2ND CHILD
Dr.MC 24.15 Lib Dr.AS 28.26 Lib Dr.MC 24.30 Can Dr.AS 24.36 Can Dr.Jup 29.59 Lib N.Sun 5.34 Leo N.MC 6.32 Aqu N.AS. 6.42 Aqu Dr.Moon 5.18 Aqu Dr.Moon 6.23 Sco Dr.AS. 5.22 Sco Dr.Sun 14.52 Ari (Grandfather's N.Sun 14.42 Ari) Dr.Moon 15.0 Vir N.AS 14.14 Pis (Grandmother's Dr.Moon 15.31 Pis) Drac.AS 1.50 Cap N.Moon 0.33 Can N.Sun 2.36 Cap

There are many more draconic links in this family tree. These few mainly involve the personal points of Natal and Draconic Ascendant, Midheaven, Sun and Moon.

THE DRACONIC ASCENDANT
The natal Ascendant describes how others perceive us in a physical sense, the silent message we project through our physical image. THE DRACONIC ASCENDANT is our intuitive identity, certain hereditary factors and the unique qualities we pass on through reproduction and spiritual teaching. For further information consider the decanate of the Draconic Ascendant (eg 28°26' Libra on the Draconic Ascendant is in its 3rd decan, incorporating a Gemini/Mercury influence to the Libran energies).

THE DRACONIC MIDHEAVEN
The natal Midheaven depicts our ego expression, career, worldy status, parent figures and mentors. The Draconic Midheaven speaks more of super-consciousness, the soul's divine quest, vocation as distinct from occupation.

Astrologers already familiar with house meanings, aspects and primarily the interpretation of their own natal chart, will liken the experience of interpreting their Draconic chart to that of bumping into an old friend. This is probably due to the emergence in the Draconic chart of astrological degrees synonymous with old friends, foes and soul mates.

BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY
The Draconic and Natal combinations of popular British Royal family members is a virtual goldmine of information. The charts used are Queen Elizabeth, Prince Phillip, Prince Charles, Princess Diana, Prince William and Prince Henry. Synastry buffs will discover many more links than I have space to mention. Once again the personal points of Sun, Moon, Ascendant and Midheaven provide pivotal information on hereditary and karmic history.

I have used the Solar Fire software and Clifford data collection for my charts and calculations -- with the exception of Prince Phillip -- the source of which is astrologer, Deborah Houlding. The True Moon Nodes have been used in this study.

DRACONIC/DRACONIC COMPARISONS
1. William's Dr.MOON (21.38 Pisces) conjunct Henry's Dr. MOON (21.43 Pisces) conjunct Charles' Dr.MOON (25.28 Pisces) conjunct Diana's Dr.Uranus (25.10 Pisces) Conjunct Elizabeth's Dr.PLUTO (22.36 Pisces) opposition Diana's Dr.MOON (26.52 Virgo)

2. William's Dr.AS (14.10 Virgo) is conjunct Henry's Dr.MC (17.30 Virgo)

DRACONIC/NATAL COMPARISONS
1. Phillip's Dr.SUN (23.40 Scorpio) is conjunct Elizabeth's natal MC (25.33 Scorpio), conjunct Charles natal SUN (22.25 Scorpio) conjunct Diana's Dr. IC (24.53 Scorpio).

2. William's Dr.MC (19.08 Cancer) is conjunct Diana's Dr. ASC (20.14 Cancer) conjunct Henry's Dr.SUN (23.19 Cancer). All are opposition Elizabeth's N.ASC (21.23 Capricorn)

3. Charles' natal ASC (5.25 Leo) is conjunct Elizabeth's Dr.MC (5.26 Leo) opposition Diana's Dr.MERCURY (5.02 Aquarius), square to Phillip's natal Venus (5.43 Taurus)

4. Charles' natal MC (13.18 Aries) is conjunct Phillip's Dr.MC (11.33 Aries).

5. Charles Dr.ASC (0.26 Cancer) is conjunct William's natal SUN (0.06 Cancer) and in slightly wider conjunction to his natal Moon (4.58 Cancer). These are square Elizabeth's Dr.AS (1.16 Libra).

6. Diana's Dr.MOON (26.52 Virgo) is conjunct Henry's natal Sun (22.57 Virgo). As mentioned above Charles Dr.MOON is opposition at 25.28 Pisces.

7. Elizabeth's Dr.Jupiter (2.24 Scorpio) is conjunct William's natal Jupiter (0.29 Scorpio) and MC (2.28 Scorpio) and conjunct Henry's Dr.Jupiter (3.56 Scorpio).

8. Elizabeth's natal MC (25.33 Scorpio) and Saturn (24.27 Scorpio) are conjunct Charles' Dr.Jupiter (24.55 Scorpio)

9. Elizabeth's Dr.SUN (10.06 Capricorn) is opposition Diana's natal Sun (9.40 Cancer).

10. Phillip's Dr.SUN (23.40 Scorpio) and Dr.Mars (28.55 Scorpio) are square to Diana's natal Uranus (23.20 Leo) and northern Moon Nodes (28.10 Leo).

11. Phillip's Dr.AS (18.57 Gemini) is opposition Diana's natal ASC (18.24 Sagittarius). His Dr. Mercury (17.51 Sagittarius) and wider, his Dr.Pluto (12.15 Sagittarius) are conjunct her natal AS.

-- and the list of contacts goes on, with surprisingly close orbs of influence.

The interpretation of these links is fairly straightforward and the reader will have their own ideas as to the messages conveyed. Positive emotional potential (Dr.Moons) between Charles and his sons, was unsettled and awakened to new expressions through Diana's erratic behaviour (Dr.Uranus) and Elizabeth's powerful obsession with duty and conventionalism (Dr.Pluto). The 'Us and Them' attitude is depicted by Elizabeth's natal AS opposition the Dr. AS,MC and Sun of Diana and her sons -- and reinforced by Elizabeth's Dr.Sun opposition Diana's natal Sun.

The lineage to the throne is indicated by Elizabeth and Charles' Dr. Ascendants aspecting William's natal Sun. The strong presence of Dr. and natal Jupiter links is another convincing factor. Irritation between Phillip and Diana can be seen from Phillip's Dr. Sun conjunct Dr. Mars square Diana's natal Uranus and natal North Moon Nodes. His Dr. AS opposition her natal AS, plus his Dr. Mercury and Pluto conjunct her natal AS, suggests more undercurrent between them than was publicised.

Each chart can be successfully drawn onto tri-wheel and tri-dials, to distinguish further how individuals relate to the rest of the group. My illustrations provide an introduction. Factors such as fixed stars, critical degrees and eclipse degrees can also be applied to draconic charts.

For Cosmobiologists the planetary structure patterns and midpoint trees of the draconic chart remain the same (with the exception of Moon Nodes involvement). However the patterns of the Draconic chart fall in different sections of the 90-degree dial, providing additional sensitive time frames, especially when compared to the directions, progressions and transits. The individual comparison between natal and draconic structure patterns also interesting.

Even by sticking to basics and comparing the zodiacal degrees between the draconic/draconic and draconic/natal charts of different individuals, the remarkable links formed for respective life journeys cannot be overlooked. Because our spiritual development requires us to meet the challenge of relationships rather than evade them, the Draconic chart provides new information as to who we are likely to attract in order to make the progress we spiritually crave.

posted March 21, 2008 11:48 AM              

charlotte, and others who dont know much about Draco... Edgar Cayce , in his seances didnt get natal geocentric positions he came with draco positions!!!!!

look at this case,
my parents have karma conjunct karma
in draco they have her draco venus conj his karma, dfinitely they have been spouses before.

my draco karma 5 cap conjuncts dad's lilith n mum's jupiter
MORE SHOCK
dad's draco karma 17 pisces conjunct my natal asc at 16 pisces n exactly conjunct draco sun at 17 pisces

dad's draco sun 18 taurus is exactly conjunct my tropical valentine!!!!!

meaning ?
fact is he has been my dad in many lives, and still continues to bear with me...

posted March 21, 2008 11:53 AM              

here's a real, confirmed past life relationship ( Regression)

case in hand... present life boy and girl.past life lovers.but its way more complicated than that. the girl in her teens, living in Iraq in 1500's was married to a middle aged paedophile who physically, emotionally and sexually abused her.the husbands father was her Twin Soul

they fell in love, she got pregnant. she begged him to take her away, forgetting all religious and social taboos. i mean we are talking Radical Islam in the 1500s
not to mention her psycho husband told her he would kill the baby if it was a girl she spent her pregnancy begging her Twin Soul to escape but he ignored her, breaking her heart.when the baby was born her husband was away, travelling. she took the baby girl to her lover and told him to save her life. he broke down and begged for forgiveness. he explained why he had broken her heart. he was in his late 70's. if they did run away he would be dead in a few years leaving her and their child to fend for themselves in a society where women were either employed as servants or hookers.not only that it was a Blasphemy of the the Islamic code that involved execution.but he promised her he wouldnt let his son kill the baby.
that however didnt happen.the husband was told by his other wives of the suspected relations between them and he was convinced when he saw the baby was a splitting image of his father.he killed the baby. the heartbroken girl died sobbing her babys name and calling for her Twin Soul to hold her

posted March 21, 2008 11:54 AM              

his Ast. Karma 22.5 Lib ,Lilith 23 lib , Ast. Child 23 Lib conjunct Her Pluto 24Lib

AND her Karma at 20 Aries opposes this !!!!!!

her Ast. Child conjunct his Chiron opposes her Ast. Lucifer conjunct his Pluto and Ast. Lucifer

his Draco Valentine conjunct her Natal Venus and Chiron exactly to the degree... a clear sign of past life True Love ending with her Chironic wound.

her draco Valentine conjuncts his true Node.

her natal Isis 29.5 Sag conj her natal Lilith 29.5 sag conuncts his SUN at 2 Cap which is conjunct her Draco Karmaa !!!

her draco venus opposes his draco Nessus... asteroid that links to pluto, a sign of emotional hurt.

draconic seem to tell the story of past life spent together, also to an extent where it can go in the future if both learn their lesssons and dont repeat past mistakes

posted March 21, 2008 08:25 PM              

yes l know who Harry is!!!

I just didn't know who HENRY was... the woman writing the article got it wrong