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Topic: Finally....Obamas real birth time
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Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 2761
From: Sacramento,California,USA
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted June 26, 2008 01:56 PM
 
what about his mother being American?........he has strong,deep
American heritage on his mother's side. I don't think his father's native African heritage negates his mother's side of his family.I was wondering if his mother's American heritage also indicates that he is an American citizen and not just being born in a US state.
Raymond
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Kick It
Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted June 26, 2008 02:22 PM
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Dulce Luna
Knowflake Posts: 4700
From: The Asylum
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted June 26, 2008 03:32 PM
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But, let's not let reason cloud our judgement. Let's hold on to fantasy. EUREKA!! His mom was a psychic, and she foresaw that her son would be running for POTUS while he was still a baby, and she endeavored to falsify all those documents so that noone, noone would find that out some 40 some years later that he was not born in the US.
LMAO!  My thoughts exactly. 
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jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 11376
From: Madeira Beach, Florida
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted June 26, 2008 03:55 PM
It would take someone pretty dim to think Obama's mother wouldn't have other reasons to want her baby to be a US citizen.  We have pregnant illegal alien women crossing the US border every day to have their babies born in the United States. Using the same reasoning...these mothers must be looking ahead 40 years to the day their babies run for President(s) of the United States.  Now, all this controversy would disappear and will disappear the day Obama furnishes a valid birth certificate....with the proper BC number and the Great Seal of the State of Hawaii embossed on the front, as is the usual. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 2761
From: Sacramento,California,USA
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted June 26, 2008 06:12 PM
All these proofs of fakery fall apart if one has the common experience of obtaining certified copies of the birth certificate
after the fact. The official birth certificates for the same person can look quite different depending (in Arizona) on whether the short form or the long form is used, and on whether one applies (in Michigan) to the county or to the state.Of course originals would be embossed, but we wouldn't expect that to
be visible on a scan for the web. Additional verification data from
the bsck would also not show on a scan. No claim was made at the Obama site that the birth certificate was issued in "only" electronic form. Therefore the claim that this proves falsification is just silly. here is his ad in regards to his upbringing by his white mother and grandparents....they are Americans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylVTBiGh00c as long as Barack's mother was American which she was, he's an American citizen. So are his grandparents.
enough of this GOP Fox news bullcrap!
if he was white and had white-sounding name,people wouldn't be given him crap,questioning his American citizenship. McCain was born in Panama,and nobody is questioning his American citizenship! ------------------
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jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 11376
From: Madeira Beach, Florida
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted June 26, 2008 06:31 PM
I don't care who Obama's grandparents were. It's who he is, where he was born and if outside the United States...then, whether his mother qualifies to claim Obama as a citizen of the United States.Under the rules for US citizenship for those born outside the US, Obama's mother doesn't qualify, because she did not spend 10 years in the United States....as an "adult" prior to Obama's birth...whenever or where ever that was. This really is a simple matter. Blanking out the birth certificate number raises questions that Obama needs to answer. IP: Logged |
writesomething
Knowflake Posts: 2376
From: meet me in montauk
Registered: May 2006
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posted June 26, 2008 06:37 PM
for you to be nitpicking something like this, im guessing you're very threatened by his presence in the race. good. is that all you got? he might not be american..LOL.. we need someone to shake up the status quo. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted June 26, 2008 06:40 PM
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for you to be nitpicking something like this, im guessing you're very threatened by his presence in the race. good. is that all you got? he might not be american..LOL.. we need someone to shake up the status quo.
And the chart on the first page certainly indicates that, nyuk nyuk IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 11376
From: Madeira Beach, Florida
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted June 26, 2008 07:48 PM
Picking on poor little Obama?Oh, I don't think so. Neither do I consider the Constitution of the United States to be a nitpicking matter. This is the law...period. Article II, Section 4, US Constitution
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. On the other hand, leftists have been questioning John McCain's citizenship qualifications to be be President. McCain's citizenship called into question
Candidate, born in Panama Canal Zone, may not qualify as 'natural born'
Larry W. Smith Republican presidential hopeful U.S. Senator John McCain, seen in Richardson, Texas, on Thursday, was born in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and his advisers are doing their best to brush aside questions — raised in the liberal blogosphere — about whether he is qualified under the Constitution to be president. But many legal scholars and government lawyers say it's a serious question with no clear answer.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/ So, all this wheezing and whining about poor little Barack Obama being set upon by those mean, evil, wicked and nasty Republicans is just that...wheezing and whining. The hypocrisy is so dense it could be cut with a knife. IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 699
From: Bay Area, California, USA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted June 26, 2008 07:48 PM
I bet my bottom dollar that those who are still nitpicking his birth certificate will still NOT vote for Obama even if he personally showed them the original document and they were proven wrong. THEY WILL FIND SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT OBAMA TO USE AND SAY THEY CAN'T VOTE FOR HIM. You know it. I know it. As for the rest of us, let's just move on and let THEM find and produce the "real" birth certificate since they seem to know beyond the shadow of a doubt that he was NOT born when and where he says he was. IP: Logged |
writesomething
Knowflake Posts: 2376
From: meet me in montauk
Registered: May 2006
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posted June 26, 2008 07:51 PM
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wheezing and whining. The hypocrisy is so dense it could be cut with a knife.
you stole the words right out of my mouth.
Even if he wasnt a natural born citizen, which i think is complete BS...I could careless. He would shake up the status quo. We need that in America.
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Jazzebel
Knowflake Posts: 359
From: Georgia
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted June 26, 2008 07:55 PM
belage, this and of course there are many other reasons not to vote for obama - i think he is a schmuckIP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 699
From: Bay Area, California, USA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted June 26, 2008 08:00 PM
You're entitled to your opinion Jazzebel. You can vote for Mc100 yearsinIrakCain if you think his schmuckism is better. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted June 26, 2008 08:05 PM
C'mon folks its an astrology site, not political site. Differences make the world go around, lets not fight over stuff like birth certificates. IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 699
From: Bay Area, California, USA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted June 26, 2008 08:17 PM
You're right, 23.As an astrologer, I will be using the info on the posted birth certificate for my astrological understanding and interpretations. Others can do whatever they want. If they don't believe it is a real BC, they can disregard it. IP: Logged |
LadyNeptune
Knowflake Posts: 419
From:
Registered: Dec 2007
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posted June 26, 2008 10:57 PM
wasn't McCain born on an army base in Panama? His father was a general in the army or something. Also, how would he be able to serve in the army if he wasn't a US citizen? C'mon....IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 11376
From: Madeira Beach, Florida
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted June 26, 2008 11:13 PM
Oh, dear me. I thought I detected political cheerleading by the Obama Chorus on this purely astrology forum. My Scorp Rising is usually reliable. Could it have been wrong in this instance. Hell no. Well, the Obama Chorus knows where GU is and I've provided you the means to come there and continue this fascinating discussion. At the bottom of this page, you'll see "Hop to:" Merely a coincidence and no connection whatsoever to my screen name jwhop. Y'all come. IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 699
From: Bay Area, California, USA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted June 26, 2008 11:57 PM
Back to Obama's chart, for those of us interested in astrology. It makes sense to me that he is Aquarius rising. Transiting Neptune has been in his first house for a few years, giving him a Neptunian quality. It makes a lot of sense that he was very affected by the eclipses of February, as they fell on his ascendant/descendant axis. Interestingly, he has Jupiter in the 12th house, which usually signifies having a guardian angel, and he will be having a Jupiter return sometimes early next year.
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Belage
Knowflake Posts: 699
From: Bay Area, California, USA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted June 27, 2008 12:06 AM
The ruler of his chart is Uranus, and also Saturn to some extent. He has natal Uranus in Leo, conjunct his North Node, so it serves him well to be unconventional and Uranian. However. Transiting Neptune in Aquarius will be opposing this conjunction in the coming years, so it will most likely be a confusing time for him in terms of which direction to take. He might behave erratically; Neptune in stressful aspects does not usually impart good judgment.However, since Neptune will be on his first house, opposing this conjunction in his 7th house which can function as the house of open enemies, one possible interpretation is that his behavior will confuse his open enemies who may in turn act erratically or in ways that might surprise him. If his Uranus is under pressure, the other ruler of his chart, Saturn, might provide some grounding. He has Saturn in Capricorn, and will be experiencing both a jupiter conjunction and a Saturn trine to his natal Saturn. That has to be in my opinion more positive than negative in terms of possibilities. IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 11376
From: Madeira Beach, Florida
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted June 27, 2008 12:10 AM
Yes, lalalinda has already mentioned transiting Neptune.The question is...who exactly is pulling the wool over whose eyes.  lalalinda IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 699
From: Bay Area, California, USA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted June 27, 2008 12:13 AM
What is your astrological interpretation jwhop? Would you like to make some sort of prediction that we could look back at later and see if you were on target? IP: Logged |
Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 2761
From: Sacramento,California,USA
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted June 27, 2008 12:20 AM
jwhop,My Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio along with my Pluto in 1st,Sun contraparallel Pluto,Moon quincunx Pluto sees you for being full of crap. A lot of people in this forum do too.
Just because people don't buy your GOP B.S. doesn't mean that they are cheerleaders.
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted June 27, 2008 12:25 AM
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My Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio along with my Pluto in 1st,Sun contraparallel Pluto,Moon quincunx Pluto sees you for being full of crap. A lot of people in this forum do too.
[quote] LOL, I think I'm going to wet my pants!! IP: Logged |
Seeing Stars 7.21
Knowflake Posts: 1301
From: New York
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted June 27, 2008 12:41 AM
McCain is not going to win either. I dont like something about him.. to ordinary just like the past. not to mention hes republican and the Democrats rule the house now. This country needs a change. Im looking more at the social effect it will have on this country. wether the next president is black or a female I think will do wonders and maybe instill a little more satisfaction among either group and then maybe they stop complaining. I just hope that either group doesnt go on a power trip and step out of boundsIP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 11376
From: Madeira Beach, Florida
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posted June 27, 2008 12:58 AM
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What is your astrological interpretation jwhop? Would you like to make some sort of prediction that we could look back at later and see if you were on target?...Belage
Sure Belage, the Neptuniam "smoke and mirrors" lalalinda spoke of will be revealed for all voters to see by election time 2008. Is that specific enough for you? Now Belage, would you care to make a prediction based on astrological data on the coming election? Interesting Glaucus that you would deem yourself worthy to speak for others on this forum. While your Sun, Mercury and Venus may be in Scorpio, my Asc is Scorpio and I see right through you...as though you were clear glass. Have you ever had a single thought that wasn't connected to race? Now Glaucus, and only since you previously mentioned Fox News in connection with Obama's birth information, I'm going to ask you to post right here evidence that Fox News ever so much as mentioned the controversy over his birth certificate. Care to take me up on that Glaucus?
23, this is a no wet zone. Baaaad for the electronics
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