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Lara
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posted September 23, 2008 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
yes l do Deux... and l really hate it when the person's saturn or sun/moon/venus sits on my stellium.

My boyfriend has his chiron on my stellium and l actually am enjoying that... it's a very new relationship but l feel calm and somewhat healed/protected in his presence.

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posted September 23, 2008 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
quote:

1)You use the rulerships a lot in synastry, don`t you?
2) What orb do you allow for the rulers being in aspect?
3)"Of course, sex could be a hobby for some people."
You really think?
4) "Could be good, but not sure what arc Sesqui is."
135° aspect, or do you mean what orb it had?

1. Yes and for all types of astrology. It is consistent.
2. 15 degrees with a seperating or applying 15 degrees to the next aspect. I think I got that right, but a little tired right now.
3. Yes.
4. Arc/Orb, same thing. Ok, its not, but thanks for the degree amount.

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evander
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posted September 23, 2008 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
jane- Thnx for trying to clarify for me. I was trying to wrap my head around this:

Personal planet on my stelium is no picnic I'm afraid

Kuck It- 15 degrees? Really? I thought 10 was pushing it

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darkdreamer
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posted September 23, 2008 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Jane,

Great explanation on the sextile.

DEuxantares,

yes, stellia can be tricky. Maybe people with a stellium are more "drastic" in their affections, like if they like someone they REALLY like them (because so many planets are involved at once) or they do not get them at ALL, especially if that stellium is close (not like mine, which is spread all over Sagittarius - I wouldn`t even call it a real stellium, more like two conjunction-heaps).

And if two people with their stellium on each other meet, it can get murderous or heavenly. But somehow there is little in between.

Lara,

eek, Saturn on your Arian / 1st house stellium? That must be really nasty for you.

Kick it,

". Yes and for all types of astrology. It is consistent."
Definitely agree. I have found those connections to be pretty dominant. Interestingly the ruler-aspects seemed to be consistent no matter if I used the Placidus-system (yes I know you do not like it ) or the Whole sign houses / equal houses.


"2. 15 degrees with a seperating or applying 15 degrees to the next aspect."
Mph, personally I use much tighter orbs. But orbs - like housesystems - differ from astrologer to astrologer. And I guess everyone has to find out what works for him or her.

Why do you use the 15° orb?
This is not meant as an "attack" or something like that. I`m just really curious. Especially since I haven`t yet firmly decided on the question of orbs, even though I tend to use closer ones.

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darkdreamer
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posted September 23, 2008 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Evander,

are there any challenging aspects to your stellium, either from his or from your chart? (By challenging I especially mean the square and opposition, maybe the quinkunx, semisquare or sesisquare could be counted here, too. But I am not so sure about those minor aspects).

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Lara
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posted September 23, 2008 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

eek, Saturn on your Arian / 1st house stellium? That must be really nasty for you.


Yeah it was LOL
This is my ex husband we are talking about and 4 yrs after our divorce he is still the biggest pain in the ass.

Nightmare... l advise everyone to run a mile from saturn on your stellium!

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darkdreamer
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posted September 23, 2008 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I definitely would!

Noone`s Saturn should come anywhere near my stellium!
I would be STIFLED and felt like I was continuously being CRITICISED, which would probably lead me to feel insecure and withdraw into myself, until my FIRE would just fade away.

Worst case scenario of course.

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posted September 23, 2008 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deuxantares     Edit/Delete Message
DD, what if you are the partner whose Saturn is aspecting your partner's stellium? Would you run away?

Do you advise running away only if the aspects are challenging? What if they are mostly trines?

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posted September 23, 2008 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I was only speaking about Saturn conjunct that Stellium.

And even then it depends a little bit on the other aspects, too.

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posted September 23, 2008 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deuxantares     Edit/Delete Message
I got a bit worried because my Saturn is touching this guy's Sun, Moon, Mercury, Uranus, Eros ALL TRINES (plus our Saturn is conjunct). I don't wanna be the "STIFLER" here.

The sadder part is that my 7th Ruler is also in challenging aspect to his Sun, Moon, Mars. Pluto, Chiron, ASC.

Of course there are harmonious aspects present but these two situations makes me feel like I will be causing serious psychological damage to this guy.

EDIT: Oh well, I think that knowing about this tendency will help me become less of Saturn's disciple in this situation.

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posted September 23, 2008 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
No, don`t get me wrong. Saturn is by no means a "bad guy", especially not in trines. Actually you need some strong Saturn aspects for commitment and serious ties. I myself tend to draw people to me or am drawn to people I share a square of Saturn to Sun or Moon with.

But I imagine that someon`s Saturn falling directly onto my STellium could be difficult, because
1. that stellium is in Sagittarius
2. it is in 1st house
3. it is compromised of a conjunction of Sun and MErcury and a conjunction of Mars, Neptune, NN and ASC

None of these placements are very "good friends" with Saturn, so that is probably no good news.

For someone with a Stellium in 10th house, Capricorn or aspecting his own Saturn, it might look completely different. Such a person might even NEED really strong Saturnian aspects.

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Lara
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posted September 23, 2008 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
""Noone`s Saturn should come anywhere near my stellium!
I would be STIFLED and felt like I was continuously being CRITICISED, which would probably lead me to feel insecure and withdraw into myself, until my FIRE would just fade away.""

which is EXACTLY what happened to me

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posted September 23, 2008 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deuxantares     Edit/Delete Message
DD, thanks.

Truth is I am not scared of Saturn. I don't know, maybe it's because Í'm Scorpio Sun/Moon. Having a strong dosage of Pluto has made me somewhat intrepid.

Lara,

Did he completely change after you got married? No signs at all of "impending danger" before you got serious with him?

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Lara
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posted September 23, 2008 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
some signs but l didn't listen to my self... but then after we got married he was a nightmare!

Problem is, anyone of my age has saturn on my stellium, somewhere... cos it spans from 18 aries to 21 aries lol

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posted September 23, 2008 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

in that case maybe I should stay away, too, as my Chiron is on 20° Aries and my Saturn on 17° Cancer. Sorry for that.

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Lara
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posted September 23, 2008 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
lol
stay away from me? lol
nah!!!

Btw do you think Chiron on my stellium is healing or wounding?

Stelliums are such a nightmare!

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darkdreamer
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posted September 23, 2008 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I wouldn`t stay away anyway.

REgarding Chiron:
I am not sure, maybe he is both.

My first crush`s Sun is conjunct my Chiron and I experienced him as wounding for some time, but now it also seems like he had a great deal to do with my healing.

Maybe people aspecting our Chiron do not really wound us, but they trigger the awareness of this wound inside us and therefore we sometimes experience them as wounding. But on the other hand first you have to be aware of your wound, before you can heal it.

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posted September 23, 2008 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for funnyface     Edit/Delete Message
Hi DD
Thanks for a different point of view. I have 2 charts in front of me.
A has venus, mercury, jupiter in her 9th Sag house which is the 7th house for B. Her sun is in Scorpio, her 8th house
B has sun, mercury, jupiter and uranus in libra which is A's 7th house.A's 7th house has pluto and uranus.
Do you think that the ruler of 8th in the partner's 7th house makes for short lived relations? Or is the presence of Uranus responsible for short lived attaractions?

Uranus has a bad rep for unstable situations. Is it justified?

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Lara
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posted September 23, 2008 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
hmmm interesting..

He said to me yesterday that he can't hide from me... I wonder if my moon/venus/saturn/NN on his chiron causes that

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posted September 23, 2008 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
DD, if you use Placidus, it will seem consistent if the houses are same as equal/ws. If not, it wont be.

Why 15 degrees?
I just use 30 degree aspects. There are cases for 15 degree aspects, which is acceptable, but its just too much. The aspects based on 30 degrees represent the 12 signs.

15 either way because it works with 30 degrees, but thats based in a natal. Obviously transits will be much tighter, more around 0-1 degree for best effect. But doing transits when the aspects are not tight, go by which is the best aspect and applying better than the other.

So if you use equal/ws, it gets rid of interceptions. If you use 30 degree aspects with 15 degrees either way, it means no planet is unaspected, just weaker than others.

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posted September 23, 2008 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharn_1977     Edit/Delete Message
Hi
How would the 7th house rulers of each others chart conjunct and the 8th house rulers conjunct each other in the same chart work out, just very curious>

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darkdreamer
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posted September 24, 2008 05:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Kick it,

it won´t come as a surprise, but I don`t agree on the housesystem. I have seen Placidus consistent, even if the distribution of signs were different to the equal system.
But I think we better should not go there again, because I have the feeling we wouldn`t be able to come to an agreement.

I tend to exclusively use 30° aspects, too. But still I find the most exact aspects to be the strongest, and at a certain orb they become so weak that I don`t feel they are really effective anymore, even though of course if you have Sun in 2 Aries and Moon in 23 Sagittarius, the placements of Sun and Moon alone may contribute to a certain degree of compatibility.

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posted September 24, 2008 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Funnyface,

Uranus is important to have some sparks, stimulation and excitement, but yes, sometimes it can produce unstable situations.

the ruler of 8th house in 7th house is a very deep partnerbond and definitely not short-term per se.

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Lara
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posted September 24, 2008 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
DD

do you mean if person A's 8th ruler is pluto and person B's pluto is in person A's 7th? or not?

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buena36
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posted September 24, 2008 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for buena36     Edit/Delete Message
Hi,

For me one night stand is 8th house and not the 5th. One night is normally just a sex until 5th is love and romantic.
From other side, my opinion is that 5th house is love and sex together. 5th house are children and they come from sex or they don't?

I have seen such a Natal Chart, but it is deleted, where the man wrote he had over 60 one night stands.
For that we should look the Charts from famous singers: they have maybe over 200 one night stands, as also from the girls they do something like that.

For longer relationship ruler from one person’s 7th should be in good aspect with ruler of 7th from other person. There is much more than only that. Those rulers are only the big FINAL of Synastry.

Buena

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