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Marila1313
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posted September 21, 2008 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marila1313     Edit/Delete Message
I have seen relationships that are only based on one-night-stand (oh btw does anyone know a synastry aspect for that?) and I've seen relationships where both the partners are 100% commited...which aspect do you think shows that?

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posted September 21, 2008 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
Comitted can show by both 7th rulers in aspect and one night stand from 5th rulers in aspect. 5th because it is about dating, and that can involving one or a few dates.
7th for long term because it is about partnership/marriage, which is generally considered long-term...although lets be honest, it isnt really.....I remember what it was like back in the sixties. Good old days.

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posted September 21, 2008 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I basically agree with Kick it, the 5th house ruler-aspects emphasize more the romantic and erotic and sexual nature of attraction.
This doesn`t necessarily mean one night stand, but it definitely can lead to that, if there are no other committed aspects.

Also, I`d think maybe Uranus in strong aspect to ruler of 5th house, Venus, Mars or even ruler of 7th house could imply a fleeting attraction, like in a one night stand.

Saturn in aspect to the mentioned planets and houses would be more on the committed side.


Kick it,

what do you think? If there is a high emphasis on aspects to the 7th house ruler or DSC, but WITHOUT equally strong aspects to the 5th houses, what would that mean?
A relationship that will be lacking romantic and erotic attraction?

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posted September 21, 2008 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Kick it... yeah like you really remember the 60's LOL!!!!

Can l ask what it means when there are no 7th H/7th H ruler aspects apart from them being in a Sesquiquadrate BUT her 5th H ruler (sun) is conjunct exact his DC and quincunx his 7th H ruler... ?

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posted September 21, 2008 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Personally I think it is only important that there are aspects to the 7th house ruler from other important planets or houserulers; it doesn`t have to be the 7th house ruler itself, even though it would be a beautiful aspect, I think, as both person`s relationships-needs would be triggered.

Important planets / houserulers for me are:

Sun
Moon
Venus
Mars
AC
IC
ruler of ASC
ruler of DSC
ruler of IC
ruler of 5th house
ruler of 8th house


EDIT:

Oh since you are using Equal system, the IC might not always fall into the same sign as the 4th house, so it might make sense to look at both, the ruler of IC AND the ruler of 4th house.

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posted September 21, 2008 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
would uranus [ruler of 11th] exactly conjunct moon [the ruler of 8th] be a sign of unstable/unreliable flingy attraction btwn 2 people?

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posted September 21, 2008 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Green Fairy     Edit/Delete Message
Well, it'd certainly be an unpredictable union.

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posted September 21, 2008 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
DD, good point. I guess it depends on what you look at for romance. Erotic attraction is 8th/Pluto (to me)

Romance is normally attributed to Sun/Leo, which is fine. You could maybe put it under Venus, which means 7th house.

I guess no 5th house interaspects would indicate that children is not a priority, hobbies too. Of course, sex could be a hobby for some people.


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Can l ask what it means when there are no 7th H/7th H ruler aspects apart from them being in a Sesquiquadrate BUT her 5th H ruler (sun) is conjunct exact his DC and quincunx his 7th H ruler... ?

You can ask.....

Both 7th rulers might be in aspect, depends if you use that one. Could be good, but not sure what arc Sesqui is.
5th ruler in his 7th and Q his 7th ruler means....something
Just combine the options of her 5th and his 7th to come up with something creative
I dont know.

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posted September 21, 2008 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for artemisss     Edit/Delete Message
id say saturn in 7th house, possibly aspecting venus/or moon

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posted September 22, 2008 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for funnyface     Edit/Delete Message
would the 7th H rulers in the others 7th house mean something? Eg:- A has DC in Sag and B has DC in Virgo. A's jupiter is in B's virgo house and B's Mercury is in A's sag house.
Plus will one partner's stelllium in the other partner's 7th house mean committment?
Just my doubts, Thanks all for your patience.

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posted September 22, 2008 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venusdeindia     Edit/Delete Message
quote:

Which aspects in synastry show commitment between two people?


NONE......

Actually...two come to mind....

Love and Free Will

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posted September 22, 2008 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
HA!

Good day to you VenusdeIndia! Btw my friend in Australia never emailed me back so I tried to phone him and the number was out of order
I'm sorry

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posted September 22, 2008 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
For commitment, Saturn. For intense but brief, Uranus.

evander - Not necessarily. Are there any Saturn aspects to balance out the Uranus influence? I think of Uranus as excitement. It's that spark that inspires you to something more. But excitement must wax and wane. So as long as there are Saturn aspects to hold the attraction over when Uranus is napping, then the attraction can last and Uranus can repeatedly excite the moon person.

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posted September 22, 2008 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
moon person's saturn falls into 7th house and uranus person has uranus conjunct saturn and falling in the first house also conjuncting moon but with a bigger orb.

and the rulers of dc sextile each other with 0,11" orb

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posted September 22, 2008 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message
Saturn aspects can bind 2 people together with the feeling of responsibility/duty, but it can also cause 2 people to separate due to all the "heaviness" that accompanies that responsibility and obligation.

It depends on the individual, and how they respond to such things such as sacrifice, pressure and responsibility. In the generation of our parents, I think self sacrifice and duty took precedence over individual wants and needs, so saturn held them together. But in this generation that is so focused on the self, a person might not like to feel heavy hand of Saturn duty, self sacrifice and obligation. They may want to break free, and live life on a "light" carefree note.

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posted September 22, 2008 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venusdeindia     Edit/Delete Message
Lara, chillax girl, i m doing much better

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posted September 22, 2008 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Kick it,

"I guess it depends on what you look at for romance. Erotic attraction is 8th/Pluto (to me)"
Yes, I agree, even though I probably would see erotic attraction in both houses, 5th and 8th, but the kind of eroticism is a bit different. 5th is more playful, enthusiastic, flirtative, whereas the 8th house (and Pluto) is deep, intense and very passionate, much deeper than both the 5th and the 7th house.

You use the rulerships a lot in synastry, don`t you?
What orb do you allow for the rulers being in aspect?


"Of course, sex could be a hobby for some people."
You really think?

"Could be good, but not sure what arc Sesqui is."
135° aspect, or do you mean what orb it had?


Funnyface,

yes, I think that the ruler of the 7th house in a relationship oriented house of the partner would mean something,e ven though a close aspect would be stronger.

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posted September 22, 2008 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for funnyface     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks DD.
Would a stellium also mean closer ties? Say if each person had 3-5 planets in their partner's 7th house, but not in aspect with the ruler of the 7th house? How strong would their committment to each other be?

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posted September 22, 2008 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I`m not sure, Funnyface, I think it depends on what planets fall into the 7th house and what aspects they make to other planets.

The aspects of the ruler of 7th house are definitely stronger; at least that has been my observation.

But I have also read that people whose Sun or Moon falls into our 7th house won`t leave us "unimpressed" (which doesn`t say if you react positively or not).

From my own experience I must say that I have rarely experienced anyone else``s planets in my 7th house and if I did, I wasn`t romantically attracted to them (or very very rarely). I experience a 1st house overlay much more often; but that is no surprise, as I have Sun, Mercury, Venus, Neptune and NN in my 1st house and Mars conjunct the ASC.
(I DID observe, though, that my 7th or 5th house ruler needs to be triggered for me to feel attracted to someone; and both of them fall into my 1st house.)

Maybe it depends on what you have natally and what you can handle well.

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posted September 22, 2008 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for funnyface     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks DD.
what you say about the Sun falling in 7th house is true. But more often the person who has his partner's sun in the 7th house is left hurt very badly. Carol Wells wrote very well when she said that this alignment leads to the "scorched earth" kind of deal. The Sun person leaves the other badly burnt.
More often it is a negative kind of energy.

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posted September 23, 2008 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
yup, l absolutely hate my sun in partners 7th

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posted September 23, 2008 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I donīt believe that the Sun in someone else`s 7th house necessarily hurts the other one badly.

All this placement does is focus the house person`s attention very much. Sun - maybe- becomes a focus of theirs.
To see if that attention will lead to hurt feelings or to a very harmonious relationship you have to see how well you deal with the sign of your 7th house and how challenging the Sun aspects are.

7th house only sais that you will pay attention to the other. It can be that he appears as a friend or marriage partner or even as an enemy.

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posted September 23, 2008 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
evander -
I'm not sure if I understood that right. If I misunderstood, could you rephrase what's happening with the Uranus person (in the Moon-Uranus conjunction). But it sounded to me like:
A's Moon is conjunct B's Uranus
A's Saturn falls in B's 7th house
A's Uranus falls in B's 1st house
A's Uranus conjuncts B's Saturn
A's Uranus widely conjuncts B's Moon

That's a whole lot of Uranus energy. I don't know if A's Saturn in B's 7th house is enough to make the relationship stable. Some Saturn aspects to inner planets and the nodes or vertex would help. Instability doesn't mean no commitment, though. The two could be committed to having, like you said, an on-again off-again relationship with one another.

The sextile is an aspect that requires work in order to reap its benefits. It doesn't automatically flow like the trine, and it's not as in your face yelling at you to deal with it as the square. I think the sextile between the 7th house rulers just shows that there's potential for the two people to commit to one another. This wouldn't be a commitment that the two naturally fall into and before they know it wake up sharing a mortgage. It would be a deliberate choice, which is more romantic, I think.

The composite might reveal more about the potential for stability.

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posted September 23, 2008 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
So are you saying that no aspect between 7th H rulers means no commitment or relationship, please?

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posted September 23, 2008 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deuxantares     Edit/Delete Message
I'm beginning to have a love-hate feeling towards stelliums.

The upside is when the group falls in a relationship house of the other partner or is in harmonious aspect to the partner's planet/point, the energy is concentrated.

The downside is when one partner's house ruler is in harsh aspect to one planet in the stellium it hits all of them in the group HARSHLY.

Lara, I think you know what I mean. You have a stellium in the 1st, right?

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