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Topic: Will racism prevail in the US election?
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mblover Knowflake Posts: 508 From: Registered: Nov 2007
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posted October 19, 2008 12:59 PM
OK FRIENDS, Let me put a tough question out there. What would you do if the same person Obama were a Republican. And, if we would have switched the parties. Obama for President along with Palin in Republican Party. And, McCain for President with Biden in Democrate Party. Would you still believe them exactly how you believe now? IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted October 19, 2008 01:50 PM
With Obama its all about the personality, for me anyway. Policies? Everyone has policies of some sort, its who you want to lead America (and the world)No offense to Biden and McCain, but Palin is more attractive than them two Easy choice. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2761 From: Sacramento,California,USA Registered: Jul 2006
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posted October 19, 2008 02:03 PM
as a liberal democrat,I would never vote for a Republican unless Republican party became liberal and Democratic party became conservative.IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008
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posted October 19, 2008 03:35 PM
and more to the point, under what circumstances would obama fit into the republican party? or vice versa mccain?? they are where they are because of who they are, not because they flipped a coin prior to entering politics ... although winston churchill switched parties a few times that was england, a long time ago, he was a genetically-programmed statesman, and he was kicked out of his party as a young man (if i'm remembering right). i CANNOT see obama picking palin as a running mate...chalk and cheese!UNMOVED sorry if i am misreading your inputs! BMOON - yes, something uranus like opp saturn and squaring venus...or am i misreading you too?? as to the void of course moon it passes into the next sign around 4pm PST which of course the new daylight savings time makes 5pm [wonders: was the change in daylight time which reverts on the 11th done with astrology in mind?? ]. probably best to vote after the void is void just to be sure your vote counts!! IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 11376 From: Madeira Beach, Florida Registered: Aug 2001
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posted October 20, 2008 10:17 AM
Der Furhur's..Hitler's, symbol of "Unity" O'Bomber's symbol of "Unity" Hitler and O'Bomber, both Socialists. "Seil Heil" http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/the_obama_salutes_creepy_prede.html
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Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted October 20, 2008 10:45 AM
One looks like a triangle, badly done and the other looks like a circle.Why do you refer to him as O'Bomber? IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 11376 From: Madeira Beach, Florida Registered: Aug 2001
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posted October 20, 2008 12:00 PM
I call him O'Bomber because he earned the nickname...by holding a press conference and saying he would attack..BOMB our friend and ally Pakistan. One of the most stupid public comments which could be made...but, O'Bomber also thinks we should..TALK to the screaming, screeching, shrieking "Death to America" nuts in Iran."Bomb Our Friends and Allies....For Peace " http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/003836.html O'Bomber's O...symbol of unity was stolen directly from the propaganda ministry of the defunct Nazi Party. Hitler's boys and girls. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008
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posted October 20, 2008 01:39 PM
and you know that how? because you were there??where do you get your information jwhop, fox radio from what it sounds like...?IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 11376 From: Madeira Beach, Florida Registered: Aug 2001
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posted October 20, 2008 02:00 PM
How do I know WHAT...katatonic?How do I know O'Bomber threatened to bomb Pakistan? How do I know O'Bomber promised to sit down in direct no precondition talks with not only the leader of Iran...but also with Castro, Kim Jong Il and Hugo Chavez? How do I know the O symbol of O'Bomber is the same symbol used by Hitler? You could attempt to educate yourself katatonic....and then YOU would know.  I didn't know you listened to Fox radio. I generally have background music on while I work.
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 13873 From: CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted October 20, 2008 02:31 PM
Yeah, you're not displaying any conspiracy theorist traits, Jwhop.First, anyone recognize the first symbol from Hitler? Me neither! Second, anyone recognize the second hand symbol as a symbol of Obama's campaign? Me neither! Third, the hand positioning is distinctly different between the two. Fourth, anyone who knows anything about Hitler's campaign style would recognize that Obama's campaign is missing the signature Hitler violence towards the opposing political contenders. Looks like something dreamed up by Republicans for cheap points. There are countless rally pictures available through Google, and you won't find that hand signal used in any of them. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008
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posted October 20, 2008 03:38 PM
how do you know that this symbol was lifted from the nazis? it doesn't look the same to me, and even if it did the nazis lifted their symbols from the collective/historical symbols already out there...i don't listen to fox, but i have occasionally in the past - when i was driving for a living awhile back, and occasionally for a minute by accident these days. i know their schtick and phrases...stopped listening because they gave me headaches... and all of the above references by you to obama's "statements" are out of context, fox radio-like statements, not obama's. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 11376 From: Madeira Beach, Florida Registered: Aug 2001
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posted October 20, 2008 04:11 PM
I'm soooo happy you asked that question.Here's how I know and it comes directly from the archives of the Nazi Propaganda Ministry. Thanks for asking. Notice the plug for the Hitler Youth. Now that sounds verrrry familiar. Seig Heil http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/hitler2.htm IP: Logged |
Mannu Knowflake Posts: 4382 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 04:22 PM
Good Lord, proves Obama is an anti semite beyond doubt.Hitler blamed the jews who killed their Blue eyed blonde hair God. It was just an excuse. What the heck is Obama up to?
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Mannu Knowflake Posts: 4382 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 04:24 PM
>>>>Will racism prevail in the US election?Yes its human nature to sympathize with what they consider handicap of people. This election is about racism, sexism and ageism beyond doubt.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 11376 From: Madeira Beach, Florida Registered: Aug 2001
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posted October 20, 2008 04:28 PM
GERMAN PROPAGANDA ARCHIVEBackground: This is the introduction to Heinrich Hoffman's 1932 picture book on Adolf Hitler. The source: Heinrich Hoffmann, Hitler wie ihn keiner kennt (Berlin: "Zeitgeschichte" Verlag, 1932). Introduction to The Hitler No One Knows by Baldur von Schirach He who has the good fortune to work close beside the Führer of young Germany is always impressed by the sides of Adolf Hitler that the public does not see. This book will make Hitler clearer to a circle broader than just his friends. What Adolf Hitler the Führer means to his people is known or felt by millions today. It will be the task of historians to put these feelings and knowledge into words, for their task is to present Hitler as a historic figure to posterity. That book about the Führer cannot be written for many years, for those with greater distance also have the greater ability to judge. This book is different. Germans rightly expect that their leaders are to some degree a synthesis of ability and personality (for this corresponds to their nature and inner laws). They expect their leaders will be a model also in their private lives. This explains the love and esteem that two great sons of our people, Goethe and Frederick the Great, have earned from our people. It also explains the fanatic love for Adolf Hitler, a love that daily leads National Socialists to bleed and die, a love that has brought us all into danger or to prison. I wish to emphasize the two traits I think strongest in Adolf Hitler's character: his strength and his goodness. These are the characteristics that this book displays. Whether Hitler is motoring through Germany, surrounded by cheering crowds of construction workers or if he stands beside a murdered comrade, deeply moved and shaken, his nobility and humanity so often render speechless those who meet him for the first time, be they young or old. May this book of largely unpublished photographs spread the experience of Adolf Hitler far beyond the circles of the National Socialist movement. May they have the feelings of us who have worked with him for many years and learned to honor and love him. The shadow of this man is over Germany today. Many are astonished at a miracle: after the absolute dominance of Marxism, a single face transforms the nation. To be popular means to be photographed often. Adolf Hitler always tried to avoid being photographed. Twelve years ago, as his name for the first time began to become known, he was a declared opponent of the camera. Even then the world's illustrated press tried to secure a picture of the Führer. Without success. Despite offers of substantial sums, Hitler rejected every request to be photographed. A major satirical magazine back then published an article titled "How does Hitler Look?" with a serious of outrageous cartoons of how people imagined Hitler to appear. The article illustrated the fact that people talked about Hitler, whether to praise or blame him, but did not know what he looked like Back then, a leading American newspaper asked the Munich photographer Heinrich Hoffmann to secure a picture of the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party. With the help of his friend Dietrich Eckart, Hoffmann tried to find a good opportunity to take a picture. His attempt failed. He did find the Führer as he was stepping into an automobile, but just as he was ready to take the picture three of Hitler's companions grabbed him as Hitler drove away. Later Hoffmann had better luck. He did take a picture, but Hitler asked him not to publish it. Hoffmann followed the Führer's wishes, and as a reward later received the sole right to produce pictures for the National Socialist movement. The Führer soon recognized the enormous propaganda value of photography for the National Socialist movement. While the newspapers talked about the failure of National Socialist meetings, Hoffmann produced panoramas of large Hitler meetings and refuted the lies of the enemy. The close friendship between Adolf Hitler and his old fellow combatant Hoffmann soon made them constant travel companions, and gave Hoffmann the opportunity to take pictures that could only be made by someone close to the Führer. This is the real power of this book: its task is not a literary treatment of the Führer's life, but rather a vivid portrayal of what has actually happened. Hitler is a universal spirit. The multiplicity of his being cannot be communicated by 100 photographs selected from thousands. These pictures show only some aspects of this unique personality. It is almost unknown that Hitler does not drink alcohol or smoke, or that he is a vegetarian. Without insisting that anyone follow his example, even in his closest circle, he holds like iron to his self-established principles. He works amazingly hard. Not only does he head the enormous apparatus of the National Socialist movement, he makes strenuous speaking tours. Today he is in Königsberg, tomorrow in Berlin, the next day in Munich, all this with a minimum of sleep, since the Führer usually works into the early hours of the morning. Much nonsense is spread about his private life. A few words on the topic. Hitler's greatest joy is his library of about 6,000 volumes. He has read them, not just paged through. The larger share consists of books on architecture and history. In both areas Hitler has masterful authority. For him, art is essential, music above all. As he says, "If the artists knew what I would do for German art, none of them would oppose me." Naive people believe that Adolf Hitler lives a life of ease, working an eight hour day and then visiting a cafe. Few have any idea of the enormous burdens on his shoulders. Our age will perhaps honor and love this great man, but will not be able to understand his true greatness. It does not need to. We need only look respectfully on the powerful personality of the Führer, and thank God in heaven that he has not left us alone. http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/schirach.htm IP: Logged |
haybelly Knowflake Posts: 230 From: The bigrock candy mountains Registered: Jul 2008
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posted October 21, 2008 01:00 PM
My mamma always said there are three things you should not discuss with people, mostly referring to strangers or people you do not know well. Religion, Money and Politics....All I will say is this, if you strip the political and personal from each candidate and just pick one or the other based on intuition, who would you pick? Not knowing anything about them. That is how I am voting, by my own intuition. I have a bad feeling about one candidate and I am just luke warm about the other. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008
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posted October 21, 2008 06:47 PM
and this excerpt proves what? or has what to do with obama? if anything, obama is on the OTHER side of the fence. he has been targetted for his possible affinity with the people who are CURRENTLY SET UP to be scapegoats (ie like the jews in 30s germany) - the muslims. though he is not one.and the hand symbols are still different, jwhop. and still BOTH fairly universal in origin and usage... IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 11376 From: Madeira Beach, Florida Registered: Aug 2001
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posted October 21, 2008 07:51 PM
BullO'Bomber is a Socialist. Hitler was a Socialist. Hitler used the O symbol to signify unity O'Bomber uses the O symbol to signify unity Hitler had his Brown Shirts to keep the German population under control. O'Bomber wants a "civilian security force" as well trained and funded as the entire military forces of the United States. Hitler had his brainwashed Hitler Youth movement. O'Bomber has his brainwashed youth movement in training right now..at this moment. Youth who march and sing the praises of O'Bomber and dedicate their efforts to O'Bomber. O'Bomber is most surely not on the other side of the fence from Hitler. Both of these Socialists were/are "Cult Personalities" who used/use flyblown rhetoric to snow their followers. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008
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posted October 21, 2008 09:14 PM
well i haven't heard any high-flown rhetoric from obama, and there is no crazed glint in his eye. he speaks like a reasonable, intelligent man and at times too much so, making him appear less than charismatic. we do have a situation very similar (esp astrologically) to the 30s here. we have the muslims fingered as murderers who would rub out the christian population, the money troubles (though nowhere near as dire as the tabloids and politicians would like us to FEAR) but as liz greene pointed out in a great lecture about hitler's chart, he was a handle for the zeitgeist of the time. when appearing before the public something "other" and more powerful than himself took over. its on film to witness...there is nothing like that in obama and in fact it is mccain who is using well known hypnotic techniques in his public appearances. citing the reagan name to throw people into fond memories (yeuch) of better times and a popular leader so he can be identified with him is just one of those techniques.and like i said, the nazis and MOST political parties choose their symbols from the vast reservoir of archetypal symbols which have been used in the past. but the nazi hand symbol you have posted looks like a diamond to me, with the fingers extended around it, while the obama sign is a clear circle with the fingers drawn in. where is the resemblance?? all politicians wave in a manner that could be likened to the zeig heil if you try hard enough, but please, get off it... IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 11376 From: Madeira Beach, Florida Registered: Aug 2001
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posted October 21, 2008 11:14 PM
I didn't say high-flown rhetoric. I said flyblown rhetoric.I can't believe anyone would say McCain is a hypnotic speaker. That's really reaching. Maybe you should have a look at these videos before you dismiss the notion that O'Bomber and his people are developing a kiddie cult following for O'Bomber. It's disgusting and contemptible beyond measure actually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr3v7Vsg3uY http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/utterly_chilling_video_of_obam.html IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 13873 From: CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted October 22, 2008 02:27 AM
quote: O'Bomber is a Socialist. Hitler was a Socialist.
Bull indeed! Neither espouses Socialist philosophy. Myth: Hitler was a Leftist quote: Hitler used the O symbol to signify unity O'Bomber uses the O symbol to signify unity
Bull again. Hitler's hands aren't in an 'O', number one. Number two, Obama uses an 'O', because it's the first letter of his last name. [Duh.] Number three, the Obama hand signal you found isn't used by either the campaign or the vast majority of Obama supporters. quote: Hitler had his Brown Shirts to keep the German population under control.O'Bomber wants a "civilian security force" as well trained and funded as the entire military forces of the United States.
Bull again. We've already been over this. In the context of Obama's speech it's quite clear that he wants no such thing. quote: O'Bomber is most surely not on the other side of the fence from Hitler.
I guess I should remind you here as well, that part of your issue with people at LL was their comparisons between Bush and Hitler. Predictably, you're doing the same thing, and miraculously think it's ok for you to do so. Obama doesn't show any kinship with Hitler.
- There's no violence on his political opponents, or their supporters.
- He's not whipping people up into a nationalistic fury. He's not stoking people's rage at their national disgrace [the loss of WWI]. (You yourself take issue with his not wearing the flag lapel pin, and cancelling the national anthem at an event. Hitler wouldn't stand for that either.).
- He's not upset at the anti-war demonstrators as Hitler was during WWI.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 11376 From: Madeira Beach, Florida Registered: Aug 2001
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posted October 22, 2008 09:16 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot there for a minute. You're the one who denies Hitler was a Socialist....even though Hitler SAID "I'm a Socialist"...even though everyone in the Nazi party said of themselves we're Socialists...even though all the Nazi party literature constantly talked about their National Socialism..even though the official name of the Nazi Party...Hitler's party which he organized was THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY.There are some people with which a reasonable discussion simply cannot be had because they will simply deny every fact which is inconvenient to their argument...like the facts...O'Bomber's political guru was Frank Marshall Davis...a member of the Communist Party USA...O'Bomber's minister preached Marxist Black Liberation Theology in the church O'Bomber attended for 20 years....Father Phleger, O'Bomber's friend and mentor is a Marxist priest...Bill Ayers is a Marxist Communist domestic terrorist bomber..and so is his wife...the Democratic Socialists of America helped O'Bomber get his political career off the ground...and endorses O'Bomber...The Communist Party USA endorses O'Bomber...virtually every Socialist and Communist group in the US and in the World endorses O'Bomber...Fidel Castro..Communist, endorses O'Bomber...Hugo Chavez..Communist, endorses O'Bomber...ACORN, which supports O'Bomber and is committing voter fraud on O'Bomber's behalf is a Marxist/Socialist agitation group..O'Bomber's own words about the purpose of his tax plan is..."to spread the wealth around"..a tax plan straight out of the Socialist playbook....O'Bomber's plan for a "Civilian Security Force" mirrors the Hitler plan for a civilian force of thugs called the Brown Shirts..and later, the Gestapo...O'Bomber's indoctrination of children into a cult following..as was shown..mirrors Hitler's Youth...everywhere you look in O'Bomber's past or present, you find Socialists, Marxists and Communists surrounding and supporting Barack Hussein O'Bomber...including George Soros, the insane Socialist who has said his main purpose in life is to destroy the power and influence of the United States in world affairs. Hitler was a Socialist. Mussolini was a Socialist. Barack Hussein O'Bomber is a Socialist. Socialism is the umbrella political, economic and government theory under which all collectivist parties fall...including Marxists, Leninists, Stalinists, Maoists and .Trotskyism. So, you go right on and deny it all. It's all so very inconvenient to your argument that O'Bomber is a main stream politician. His ideas come straight out of the ass of a 5th rate thinker of the 19th Century, Karl Marx and there's nothing "progressive" or "new" there. Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/MarxistsSocialistsCommunistsforObama Obama site urges: 'Revolution' against U.S. 'oppressive' regime Marxists, socialists, communists form group to plot on official campaign blog http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68462
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 13873 From: CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted October 22, 2008 12:24 PM
There are certain people who say, "I'm a Republican," while you call them RINOs (Republican In Name Only), right? Just because someone mislabels themselves does not mean that they live up to the standards of said label. quote: There are some people with which a reasonable discussion simply cannot be had because they will simply deny every fact which is inconvenient to their argument...like the facts
Exactly. The facts aren't on your side. You're trying to say Obama's comparable to Hitler (which is obviously way out of line), and then you're associating him with people you label as Marxist. Hitler would not be pleased with your inability to understand that Marxists are Jews, and that Hitler hated both. If Hitler were an American today, there's absolutely no doubt that he would oppose and hate Obama, and he would do so for reasons similar to your own. Obviously, that would mean that Hitler would not favor the Left, but rather the Right. I did notice that you didn't dare touch the things that would HAVE TO BE TRUE in order to compare Obama with Hitler. You always circumvent the impossible tasks. I could add more bullet points if you like:
- Obama isn't a veteran.
- Obama wasn't subject to parental violence growing up.
- Obama wasn't thrown in prison for anti-state activity.
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008
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posted October 22, 2008 12:32 PM
yes hitler CALLED HIMSELF a Socialist. there was nothing actually socialist about him. the swedes are socialists, there's a big difference! fascists like to call themselves socialists and apparently a lot of people fall for it. hitler needed a scapegoat - enter the jews. BUSH needed a scapegoat - enter the muslims. obama does not need a scapegoat. i will check out your link when i am not at work...obama does NOT call himself a socialist, YOU do. that is another huge difference. a certain amount of socialism is implied in any law or agreement that serves the people. and a certain amount of socialism is a very FAIR way of dealing with EVERYONE's concerns. that does not equate socialists to fascists although when taken to the extreme they certainly resemble each other! pretty much every country in europe has some portion of medical insurance covered BY THE STATE. they are doing very well thank you and poor people can get their urgent and everyday medical needs met. they also tend to have a private sector for those who can and want to pay for their medical needs, especially to speed up non urgent treatments. the two things intertwine to make a pretty good system. their is no fascism involved! IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 11376 From: Madeira Beach, Florida Registered: Aug 2001
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posted October 22, 2008 01:31 PM
Give it up already. You've lost the argument that O'Bomber is not a Socialist, just as you lost the other argument that Hitler and Mussolini were not Socialists.You should quit before you embarrass yourself even further than you already have. I don't care if you want to vote for a Socialist. But, I do care when people attempt to label O'Bomber as a democrat. He's a leftist Socialist radical and always has been. There's nothing democratic about the demoscat party...as the theft..by hook and by crook..of the nomination from Hillary proved. IP: Logged | |