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Topic: Will racism prevail in the US election?
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mblover Knowflake Posts: 508 From: Registered: Nov 2007
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posted October 15, 2008 11:42 AM
http://www.intrade.com/?request_operation=main&request_type=action&checkHomePage=true# Obama is 80% likely to be elected. Everything (non astrologically) is alinged for him to be the president. Bets are heavily placed for Obama to win and McCain to lose. So, really, only a miracle would save McCain. But, is that miracle related to racism? Election day chart The election day's Scorpio and Capricorn planets are rather heavy... and they show discrimination at a high intensity. It could be either positive or negative for Obama but the day is discriminatory for sure. So, What do you think? We have already seen several astrologers putting McCain as the winner based on astrology. If it really happens, then is it because there is a 'hidden' discrimination in white/non black voters that will prevail on the election day? I don't mean to offend anyone by putting this question.. but, we've got a rather historical day coming up in the worst American crisis since Great Depression.. And, it would be interesting to review your views.. (Americans or Non Americans please feel free to respond) And, also, if you are sure about McCain winning (because of better astrological alignment), the odds are 1 to 4.. you can make 400% return by betting against the market. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 15, 2008 11:47 AM
Really?Everything is aligned for Obama to win? lol All l have seen is how NEGATIVE his chart is for the day!!!! I would love him to win but l don't think he will, racism or no racism IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 13873 From: CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted October 15, 2008 11:49 AM
I do wonder whether Republicans will tout the historical significance of this election should Obama win. It would be a good day for the U.S. if we're able to show we're not so racist that we can't elect a black man.It seems almost inevitable that there will be an assassination attempt (or two or three) if he wins, especially with McCain supporters claiming that they're genuinely scared of an Obama presidency. IP: Logged |
Mama Mia Knowflake Posts: 2828 From: Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 15, 2008 11:56 AM
O'Bama has this locked if he does lose cheating will play a huge part in it... As far as assissnations, I reall hope that he gets the brothers behind him..Not many if any cab break through them.. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2761 From: Sacramento,California,USA Registered: Jul 2006
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posted October 15, 2008 01:49 PM
I am with Lara. I predicted a McCain victory based on 2 Super Cinderella Transits including 1 Cinderella Mystical Triangle transit, and Obama doesn't have any Cinderella transits.That's the Magi Astrology being a liberal Democrat,I want Obama to win. I have already marked him down on my absentee ballot for president. making money off a McCain win is tempting...especially if I can get 400 percent.
Transiting Jupiter is in my 5th house squaring my Uranus in 2nd right now....hahahah Transiting Chiron-North Lunar Node is trining my Uranus in 2nd. Transiting Jupiter/Uranus midpoint(Cosmobiology founder,Reinhold Ebertin nicknamed it "Thank The Lord" will be squaring my chart ruler,Mercuryin 3rd on Election Day. Actually transiting Jupiter is sextile my Mercury and transiting Uranus is trining my Mercury on Election Day. wonder if I should try my luck........either way it would be a win, but I care more about the country than my pocketbook....so a McCain win would be a lot worse than my losing some money.
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 15, 2008 01:54 PM
yeah i'm going to put a bet on McCain winning... may as well win something off the old todger you think 400/1 is about right Glaucus? or more like 1,000,000/1 LOL IP: Logged |
haybelly Knowflake Posts: 230 From: The bigrock candy mountains Registered: Jul 2008
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posted October 15, 2008 02:12 PM
Here in Tennessee, Obama doesn't even try...he knows he won't get this state. It is to do with being part black. But, not so much that he is black, but just by his name alone..."Now boys, we ain't gonna vote for no muslim ni***r" you can imagine how that goes over here in appalachian mountains!
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Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2761 From: Sacramento,California,USA Registered: Jul 2006
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posted October 15, 2008 02:21 PM
I don't see why not. Why not at least try to win Tennessee.look at the gains he's getting in West Virginia. It's now a battleground state! Obama is down by less than 2 points. He should get his butt over there and campaign there. Maybe he could turn West Virginia blue. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008
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posted October 15, 2008 02:35 PM
it would be too sad if people succumb to the stereotype on this election. but magi or no magi i see obama winning, despite the demonization of muslims that has been going on for most of a decade now...it all smells very much like germany in the 30's but we can prevent it going there by not falling for it...i am not saying anyone here subscribes to the muslim-fear being cultivated, but we can help defuse it by being realistic, reminding people of what happened to the jews (and gypsies etc) and encouraging them to be bigger than that!IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted October 15, 2008 06:19 PM
Glaucus, WV is actually a staunchly democratic state. Maybe you're thinking of VA, who hasn't voted for a Democrat for President since the 1950s. I really hope my sate turns blue ^____^Astrology aside, I don't see how Obama can lose. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 15, 2008 06:37 PM
well i guess none of us believe in astrological transits then Actually in the betting stakes Glaucus, McCain is now only just below Obama. IP: Logged |
Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 2160 From: Born in S.Africa Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 15, 2008 07:18 PM
I can't say that I know American culture but Europe is not race obsessed to my experience, so would America act so differently to the Uk and Europe and the rest of the world? I can't see a balanced English or French person taking a person's name and race as a deciding factor in anything, let alone politics and business. What's that got to do with it? Am I being naive? so, are the Tiger Woods of the US just token heroes or it only gets like this when it comes to presidential elections? God. I can sort of understand the African American chip that they year on their shoulders. IP: Logged |
Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 2160 From: Born in S.Africa Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 15, 2008 07:23 PM
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008
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posted October 15, 2008 07:49 PM
a sports hero is not the same as a president! in fact the traditional avenues where "people of colour" excel are sports and music/ performing in general. of course that also goes for the underclasses of any colour. largely because formal education is not a prerequisite in those fields...we have never had a "black" president. before kennedy we never had a Catholic president. or a president so young. now catholicism is not so much an issue, and we have had several pres. in their forties. we still have yet to elect a woman to the top office though several other countries have done so. there's a first time for everything and magi aside i don't think the astrology points to either man, though with hindsight we will be able to say otherwise! i am still very curious to see how the void moons will pan out! IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2761 From: Sacramento,California,USA Registered: Jul 2006
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posted October 15, 2008 08:30 PM
It really depends on the astrological system as well as the astrologer. whether it's Magi Astrology,Vedic Astrology,Cosmobiology,Uranian Astrology,Galactic Astrology,Classical Astrology, Modern Western Astrologylike Steven Forrest said, we have a "Tower of Babel" situation in Astrology. I thought Bush would be elected in 2004 because of his Cinderella transits of transiting Chiron to his Venus and transiting Neptune to his Chiron, and Kerry only had 1 Cinderella Transit,and that was transiting Venus to his Chiron. The faster moving transits are not as important as slower moving transits in the Magi Astrology system. I didn't believe Hillary would be president because of transiting Neptune in t-square to her Mercury square Saturn as well as transiting Chiron square her Venus. but any ways, I am hoping for an Obama election even though imho Magi Astrology points to a McCain election.
btw as the son of a black man and white woman like Barack Obama, I reject the one drop rule and embrace and acknowledge all my heritage. I wish the country would get rid of the unofficial one drop rule(you're part black,and so you're black) which I feel should have been abolished since June 12, 1967 Loving vs. Virginia Supreme Court Ruling that struck down all interracial marriage ban laws in USA. Mixed people shouldn't have to choose just 1 racial category. US 2000 Census allowed mixed people to mark down more than 1 race, and yeah I did just that. Too many mixed people feel that they are caught up in racial tug-a-wars....no wonder many of us are looked at as "confused"
is there any wonder that according to Rex E. Bill's rulership book, Neptune is listed as ruler of Mulattoes along with Saturn which is also listed as ruler of Blacks. Uranus and Neptune are listed as ruler of mixtures. there is a minor grand trine of Venus in Sagittarius,Neptune in Aquarius,and Eris in Aries on election day, and maybe that will indicate tolerance and acceptance of diversity and dissolving racial boundaries.
looking from the evolutionary astrological perspective.....Jeffrey Wolf Green uses the planetary nodes I believe that Eris has to do with diversity,ideology....(like "my views are right and yours are wrong" which Eris' discoverer Michael Brown pointed out about how mythological Eris caused men to fight) Jeffrey Wolf Green believes that north planetary node and its dispositor have to do with karmic present life indicators and the south planetary node and its dispositor have to do with karmic pastlife indicators. North Eris Node is in Taurus, and its dispositor is in Venus in Sagittarius. Like I said before, Venus is in minor grand trine with Eris and Neptune. Eris in easy aspect to the dispositor of its North Node could be good for diversity. But...Venus in Sagittarius is squares the opposition of Saturn in Virgo and Uranus in Pisces, and this could indicate extreme tension as well as the conflict of old way of things vs. new way of things when it comes to diversity. South Eris Node is in Scorpio, and its dispositor Pluto is in the last degree of Sagittarius. To me, that seems like a time of resolving pastlife karma involving racial diversity issues. Pluto is also sextiling Mercury, and so has to do with communications racial diversity issues. Mercury disposits Saturn in Virgo,and it might support the old way of doing things. also...Eris is in Aries, and its dispositor Mars is in Scorpio square Neptune, and that can indicate possible self deception in regards to diversity matters. Of course, Mars square Neptune could indicate possible fraud that can determine the election.
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008
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posted October 15, 2008 08:52 PM
it seems to me, a white woman with a golden grandchild, that the black community is as attached to the "one drop rule" as anyone. which never fails to astound me...and you may not be one of them glaucus, but many mixed kids seem to think they have to be "blacker" than darker people just to prove they're not "whitey" or "whitewashed" which is a crying shame.and while it may be true that racism is less prevalent in europe that was not my experience there...though people of all colours tend to live together, the english consider Indians "black" , the french look down on the algerians, it happens everywhere...neither france, spain, germany, england or any of the european powers have ever elected a black, brown or yello man (or woman) to the top job as far as i know. this seems to hold true in reverse in countries where dark skin is the rule - they do not elect whites either. however this current generation, and glaucus's, are so heavily populated with mixed people that i am hopeful the situation may balance out in our lifetimes at least if not next month... personally i think obama is the better man, and his colour has little to do with it. i am hoping that it will tip the balance in his favour with the large minority groups who often don't bother to vote at all...and that he will live through 2 terms not just the election! IP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 508 From: Registered: Nov 2007
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posted October 16, 2008 02:19 AM
After debates, Obama is at 84% and McCain is at 16%.. So, now you can make 500% returns if McCain wins.. I am not betting against the market.. but definitely, this would be interesting to watch.. [URL=http://www.intrade.com/?request_operation=main&request_type=action&checkHomePage=true]http://www.intrade.com/?request_operation=main&request_type=action&checkHomePage=true[/UR L]
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blue moon Moderator Posts: 4700 From: U.K Registered: Dec 2007
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posted October 16, 2008 03:12 AM
quote: Am I being naive?
No. The colour of money ~ that's what will win the election here in the U.K. The average person on the street is concerned most about their wallet. Prejudice exists everywhere, it's true. If you overhear that average English person moaning about any racial grouping it will most likely be about Poles and East Europeans (taking all the jobs, etc) ~ though if you work somewhere like I do where all staff get sent to an Equality and Diversity workshop you might feel like you have been catapulted back in time 25 years. The woman running it looked amazed when I said her notions of race as colour-based weren't really representative of modern multi-cultural Britain. I'd be one of those people who don't give a toss about the ethnic heritage of political candidates. Oh, and for that matter, gender neither. Or their stance on abortion. Do they look capable of running the economy so that I don't have to live in a tent by the river? etc. IP: Logged |
Deliverance Knowflake Posts: 440 From: Bolloxville, Nutbush Registered: Mar 2005
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posted October 16, 2008 08:38 AM
Hi KataonicWhat do you mean by this quote: the English consider Indians "black"
Do you mean that English people refer to Indians as black? IP: Logged |
wheelsofcheese Knowflake Posts: 1472 From: UK Registered: Jan 2008
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posted October 16, 2008 08:59 AM
"Bolloxville, Nutbush" Sorry, as you were. IP: Logged |
Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 2160 From: Born in S.Africa Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 16, 2008 10:24 AM
Ok, Katatonic. I think blue moon got my point. Of course I am aware of the differences between a politician and a golfer.The Tiger Woods reference was to highlight that if you can admire one person of colour for their abilities, why can't you admire another one for their abilities? I used the word hero to define his role in people's lives, not his occupation or education level. if people vote against Obama for race related reasons, then Americans aren't thinking of what's important, of the big picture, which is to vote for somebody with policies that will benefit and increase the quality of your life. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008
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posted October 16, 2008 11:03 AM
well, exactly, but MY point was that while people will admire a multiracial sportshero, they would probably not VOTE for him for president. i tend to think that we have come to the point where they WILL vote for obama, but in general this has been the M.O. for the general public.and yes, english people often refer to (eastern) indians as blacks. IP: Logged |
blue moon Moderator Posts: 4700 From: U.K Registered: Dec 2007
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posted October 16, 2008 11:20 AM
The generalisation police are heading out in riot gear.Into an Alf Garnett re-run. IP: Logged |
Mama Mia Knowflake Posts: 2828 From: Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 16, 2008 12:16 PM
Please I am not getting all caught up in these Cinderally trainsit and what not..I see Divine Order here which over rulles all in my eyes..IP: Logged |
Deliverance Knowflake Posts: 440 From: Bolloxville, Nutbush Registered: Mar 2005
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posted October 16, 2008 01:04 PM
Katatonic, was this in the 70's, or were you associating with an older generation of British people? I've lived in the UK all of my life & never heard this before. I'm not doubting that you heard this its just sounds a bit bizarre.Are you sure you didn't hear the term BME (Black/minority/ethic?) as this covers all minority ethnic groups Asians (Indians, Pakistanis or Sri-Lankans) are referred to as either Asian or lumped in one group (usually by children) & called "Indian" It was common to call Asians another name, but this was prevalent in the 70's. I’m not saying that racism is a thing of the past in the UK, it's still here but it's covert quite a contrast to the "in your face" racist ignorance such as calling black people "coloreds, N-word or Sambo" or Asians the P word, or mixed race people "half-caste" or other ignorant labels. Ive digressed a bit, but I'm curious to know more. Glaucus, are you comfortable using the term Mulatto? Are you aware of the origins & connotations of that word? Or is it an empowerment thing like some black reclaiming the N word & calling themselves N*gga?
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