posted May 19, 2004 06:28 PM         

My favorite female member of my extended family is also a Sag w/Cappy Moon. She's married to my cousin.

posted May 19, 2004 09:38 PM         

my whole life i've had male friends who are more emotional than me! or at least, they're quicker to get emotional... i feel things deeply but only when i've had the chance to really get involved in a friendship or situation... others don't seem so hesitant to open up.

posted May 19, 2004 10:08 PM         

Like I said, I'm betting that my Cancer Moon will reach its full potential with this Libra Cappy/Moon guy. I've never felt so completely sure that someone loves me, except now.

Another funny thing, you know how I've been riding it out with his pace, this special last night we had together, as soon as we started cuddling up, he thanked me THREE times for "putting up" with him. Isn't that hilarious!

And then I felt shy, but I said, "Thank you for loving me," and held my breath. There was that lighthearted use of the word "love" again. What would he say?

And shocked me by saying, "No, thank YOU for loving ME."

And then he showered my whole face with soft kisses, and I'd just get this goofy grin on my face, not able to speak, not able to kiss him back.

posted June 11, 2004 09:14 PM         

I could use the guidance/feedback/advice regarding this Cappy Mooner right now. Is it possible for the guy to not be able to believe he's "in love" unless he's got all his life's circumstances lined up just right?

For example, the opposite of that would be someone who's not worried about everything being just so, who will engage in a full love affair no matter what.

The reason I'm asking is, we were just hanging out outside, and we had this little ongoing conversation about our "status", more because HE brought it up. He told me the other night, he wasn't going to lie to me, that he wasn't in love with me.

But as crazy as this may sound, it's like his body language during and right after was saying, "yet".

He's never said anything like he needed space, or any of that kind of shyte. He's showing quite the opposite in so many other ways.

What's the nitty gritty?

Thanks.

posted June 12, 2004 01:22 AM         

Back off. It might pain you, it might stifle you, you may feel like you are suffocating, but back off.
Don't do it in a mean way, don't be mad, just take a gentle, calm hiatus.
Be by yourself for at least a week.
Do not be available. Keep busy, stay happy.
He needs to miss you and appreciate you, to kick it into gear.
Not that you must be a thousand fold mysterious, but you do need to back off gently, if you can.
Express that you think he's the most awesome thing.....
But turn your back a little. Not in a mean way though, in a claiming your mind way.

posted June 12, 2004 03:31 AM         

hee hee

I've actually started doing that, and I think I'm right on time, if you know what I mean. In fact, I think this is why I posted. Before I completely put my foot down in silence, I just had to do a double-take and make sure I'm not deluding myself in any way.

If you think this is crazy, well... HE is the one who has been nudging me to not be so available. So, I actually feel totally OK with it. Although the feelings you said I must deal with sometimes shoot through me like lightening, I know I'm right on time.

There's nothing to idolize about him. I've been compelled to be attentive to all his subliminal language so that I can love him the better.

He's a little confused too, though. And that's good too sometimes, because I know I'll be ready to save the day when the time is right!! He just DOES NOT have a handle on the fact that the reason I'm acting the way I am since March, is NOT how I've ever acted with anyone else!!

So on the one hand, I'm completely in awe at my own reaction (pretty cool actually), and on the other, he's haunted by past failures. He is JUST starting to realize that it's completely workable, but I've had to keep faith and win his trust.

And yes, my Scorpio semi-sista, you and I are in complete synchronicity. Thank you. This is where it starts to sting him a little bit. You know? Like when it hurts just a little and they beg for more...

posted June 12, 2004 04:36 AM         

I can't be very regular in the forum, but whenever I come I get such good insights & such good advice that it really helps to feel that miles away someone can just support what I think.
I was having a lot of troubles in my relationship. we hadn't met for over 3 weeks over some problem issues. He was constantly pushing me away & making excuses.

Also the fact remains that he always uses a woman who came to his life 3 yrs back as an excuse that "I am still not ready."

In between around march april I was really in a mood to break up but somehow things jsut kept carrying on.

So about 15 days back I asked my guy to come for a movie with me. He first said yes & seemed ok. But suddenly changed his mind in a few days & started saying things like we need to meet less often. This happen last week.
I think by mynatural instinct or the venus transit, I said 'ok' and after that I just backed up. I stopped calling, mailing. i let his phone ring & didn't pick it up. neither did I cut it but didn't talk. he send sms msgs so i replied I was in the loo or in a meeting or some reason why I didn't pick his call. then one day he called and said 'can we meet.' I just said 'no, I am working late'. he insisted, but I said no. this wasy about 9 days have passed, and everyday i got 3-4 missed calls on my cells.
Anyway today in the morning he called & started checking me out, off handedly, "you at home?" ... "what plans for the day?"... "Lucky you have saturday off.".... "what would you do after that? mean the whole day... i mean."

SO I kept giving him vague replies & now the final thing has come, "can we meet tonight?"

First I thought i'll say no. but then I thought ok 9 days is enough besides he was calling me up also. so I just sms-ed him "why, when, where?" so he has asked for my convenience & i told him. So probably he will fix up something & call me.

now my question is .... am right in meeting him. and was I right in backing up.

posted June 12, 2004 03:10 PM         

"Don't know what you've got til it's gone."

posted June 12, 2004 08:09 PM         

You'll probably remember, I knew him for over a year before we gave into each other. I had a one-dimensional relationship with him as highly respectful friends. He was never mean, or rude to me, and he was always trying a new angle to get my sexual attention, and we played off of each other VERY subliminally.

Once I got over the Taurus guy, which took about 8 months, out of the blue I had one of those weird Friday night feelings where you feel sort of primal and velvety and need to find something to do with that energy...

Out of the blue, I'm like, let me call him. No thought process went into it AT ALL. Just occurred to me to call him, boom, I dial his dig's. I hadn't talked to him for a few months, and then the "little did I know" part starts to emerge, almost systematically. He stops everything he is doing right at that very moment, which is SO NOT like him to do, so we can hang out & smoke or whatever that very night.

So I'm like, OK cool, I've got a buddy I feel comfortable with to hang out with tonight.

In fact, for as long as I've known him, whenever he's run into me, or talked to me on the phone, he's completely dropped EVERYTHING for me. In the back of my mind, I knew there already was REALLY strong raw sex vibes. I'd known that for months about us, and you know like when you're mind immediately goes, "Yeah right! It would be too hot to handle. Another guy to funk and then you dump each other."

OK - so a few months have gone by, I'm over Taurus - I pull up in the car and he's waiting for me outside. I'm rolling down the window and say hi, but he immediately, with all his charm asks me if I'm not going to give him a hug. I'm still completely in the dark, but get out of the car and stand up to give him a full body hug. As our heads sides to side, he gives me an extra squeeze with his beautiful arms all around me, while at the same time saying with all sincerity, "I've missed you."

I'm STILL in the dark...

I'm thinking he's got better things in his life to do than miss me, and I'm like all buddy-buddy and sarcastic to him saying, "Yeah... right," as we begin to stop hugging.

When we'd hang out, he'd ALWAYS let me know how he appreciated our time together, you know, cuz I'm like, hey, if you need to jet that's cool. And he'll always be like, no, I don't want you to leave, to assure my socially retarded azz.

He was TOTALLY 100% the one pursuing me, but becoming more and more gentle and relaxed with me each time. That first March evening, he's made me feel so comfortable during our conversations, and then he starts to open up to the point where all these different facets of him that I'd NEVER known before, started becoming crystal clear to me.

posted June 13, 2004 03:23 PM         

Exactly...

I started realizing all that too, very early on. That's why on the one hand, I knew his reaction to me was bound to change because my feelings for him had been awakened. I stopped being so unapproachable. However, (and here's the fun part), I have NOT stopped being a challenge. It's just that the challenge changed, bounded by the laws of pure love. Something no one can resist forever.

So yeah, I was expecting that, and it was kind of fun to "make him sweat" as that dynamic started to happen, him trying to figure out if I was tailoring myself TO HIM, or if I was simply expressing something sincere with no ulterior motives involved.

posted June 13, 2004 10:36 PM         

MY Uranus in Leo in 4th, is Conjunct his Saturn in 8th.

We both have each other's Moon in each other's 8th House.

Also -
While HIS Uranus in Scorpio in 10th is Conjunct my Neptune in 6th, I also have Merc & Mars in Scorpio in 6th, a few more degrees away.

Maybe that's why subconsciously, we both felt like we had to back up a little bit. Maybe the placements of our Moons in Synastry began to make our emotions runneth over, and at the first realization of that, we had to back up. However, this is a great lesson for me, this type of emotion at a distance. Especially when the freedom-loving Uranus is involved.

Another confirmation of what I said, it's out of my hands because I revealed my hand, and with no regrets.

posted June 13, 2004 10:56 PM         

In Composite we have 4 planets in the 8th House. Sun, Moon, Mercury & Saturn.

We are both Libra's, and in Composite we have 4 planets (plus NN) in the 7th. Venus, Mars, Uranus & Pluto.

posted June 15, 2004 12:17 AM         

And as you already know, his Singleton Cappy Moon is in his 1st.

And just to back this up, I mention again about his Natal Sun, Merc & Pluto in his 10th. AND, that MY Sun & Mars is in his 10th.

So from what I'm learning, I have a natural influence over his very important Cappy/10th House matters. Also, his MC is in Libra, and I'm a Libra.

HIS Sun, Merc & Uranus is in MY 6th House of service and everyday activities. And the reason I point THIS out is because of his natural influence over my service to him and my daily activities. His trying to balance HIS needs right now with MY needs and/or his concern for my happiness.

Hence, my theory that we've actually made a mutual agreement to separate for the time being until if and when circumstances, or the backdrop, is more nurturing to his working activities and my everyday activities. Does this make sense? I'm not off the beaten track, right?

And as if that weren't enough, I've mentioned how my Venus & Pluto Conjunct in Virgo is Conjunct his Cappy Moon, THE MAIN ingredients, which just magnifies this 6th and 10th House dynamic.

(my Saturn is in Capricorn - on and on...)

Talk to me!

posted June 15, 2004 01:29 AM         

Again, this relates to the Earth influences, things having to do with security. I just noticed Uranus AND Neptune are transiting my 10th House, and HIS Uranus & Neptune are transiting his 2nd House.

HIS Pluto is getting ready to transit his 1st House, MY Pluto is getting ready to transit my 8th House.

Talk about a build up energies!

It's like we are BOTH working on getting similar things just right in our lives. Since both Uranus & Neptune are transiting at the same time, it's creating a TOTAL breakdown and rebuild for those Houses, his 2nd and my 10th.

His Pluto, the planet of death, rebirth & transformation, is getting ready to finish it's subconcious 12th House transit, which will prepare him for a new Self-image in his 1st.

My Pluto is getting ready to finish a transit of my 7th (I've never been married), and go into the 8th, the House of death, other people's money, and sex.

posted June 15, 2004 02:26 AM         

I've just read some of the posts in here, and wanted to help you out. So, I've whipped out my books on synastry and composites and I'll post a couple of things I think you might find interesting.

Hopefully I have the info correct. By the way my boyfriend's Saturn is in my 4th house and his Pluto is conjunct my moon. These are poweful connections, and if I have it right your guy's Saturn is in your 4th and your Venus and Pluto are conj. his moon.

"Saturn overlayed in the 4th house arouses a strong unconscious sense of kinship and even sometimes a feeling of deja vu or that odd sensation of having been "fated" to have some sort of interaction with the house person. The house person will sense this bond and may well respond to the Saturn person as one who is, because of an unfathomable heratige, entitled to some special status."

(on Pluto interaspects between charts) --
"In terms of karma, the only pattern that seems to appear regularly in relationships characterized by a strong Pluto theme is the need for one or both people to learn how to live independently and to allow the other person simply to be and to grow in whatever way is spontaneous and natural. But this lesson is difficult to learn in such cases because this pluto emphasis seems to indicate that the people shared past lives of absorption into ine another, situations where the identities were largely merged or where mutual dependency, closeness, or manipulation were overemphasised...... Examples might be pastlife experiences as "lovers" almost owning one another or relationships as husband-wife or slavemaster-slave where one did indeed own the other person......Another dimension of this type of relationship is Power. In most cases, one person (usualy the one whose Pluto is involved) has a tremendously powerful hold over the other person, especially if the Sun, Moon, or ASC is involved with Pluto. Although the control is rarely overt, it is there nevertheless, and it is maintained by the magnetism which the other person voluntarily reliquishes the power that he or she has over the other individual, the other person may eventually find it necessary to remove self entirely from the presence of this disturbing energy in order to be able to live and breathe freely."

I also noticed the 10th house emphasis. Your Sun and Mars in his tenth. I know from my reading, that 4th and 10th house interactions with others planets, tend toward a parental feeling for the other person. You may enhance his reputation, feel responsibility for him, or boost his self esteem in some way.

I hope you found this interesting - or maybe of help in some way.

posted June 15, 2004 03:29 AM         

You just blew me away... WOW! Thank you...

Yes, you are correct, his Saturn is in my 4th House which is now taking me on more tangents. My Moon is in Cancer, and my NN and Uranus (both in the 4th) is Conjunct his Saturn.

Something else. We have identical T-Squares in our Natal's (except for House positions), and HIS Empty Space (subconscious) is ignited by Aries in the 4th House!!

As you know, in a T-Square, the Empty Space represents subconscious, or the side of the T-Square which lacks any energy. However, like a 3-legged table trying to adjust itself, we are oscillating between the energies of (guess)...

Cancer & Capricorn.

(My Moon is in Cancer - His Moon in Capricorn).

The way this works is, the table continually tries to stabalize, and when those two energies build up, it reaches for that substitute "leg" or planetary energy in the Empty Space.

I know this is getting deep, but if you're following you'll understand...

Because we both have the same T-Square, both our "substitute leg" takes the form of Aries, which represents gut, or rash decisions, and ACTION. The beauty of being aware of this T-Square is, you realize how important it is to be conscious of everything you do, so that when that table is relying on that fourth leg to take hold, it's not weakened by a the negative side of Aries energies.

Do you see?

So we have BOTH experienced some TOUGH lessons with that Empty Space. Both our willingness and realization to be sure we do this right has much to do with this as well!

This means of all his Houses, he has the most struggle and challenge with all things 4th House.

I have Venus, Uranus, Pluto, and NN in my 4th. Two of those are Conjunct his Saturn, which happens to be one of the energies his "table" occillates to.

My Saturn is in the same sign of his Moon, Capricorn. His Saturn is is in my 4th (my Moon is in Cancer).

posted June 16, 2004 10:15 PM         

Just have to sort of add an update. It's as if I've "set him free" (if he comes back it was meant to be type thing). Before any of this happened and we were just friends, and he hadn't heard from me for a few months, he was so happy when I contacted him again.

He recently expressed great happiness with that, saying to me very happily, "I'm really really glad you called me back..." and a few seconds later... "Did I mention I'm really really glad you called me back?"

It's like we are in Chapter Three. First Chapter we were friends. Second Chapter, lovers. Third Chapter, surprised beyond belief of how intense our feelings got.

I mean, if I called him right now, he'd still want to talk and everything, but he's slowing things down for us in general, whether it's to get his own life in order, or to keep from hurting me. I can't be in such an "in-between" or "up in the air" status as this, you know? We've crossed that line, yet, the timing is not right for whatever reason.

I feel like I need to think of this as the end. If he returns, it was meant to be. But I'm feeling so discouraged and almost like "here I go again", feeling like I don't belong anywhere, and incapable of being truly loved.

Of course, I take the progress I've made in my heart, to get in touch with my feelings like never before, which will make a big difference in my future. But for now, I'll probably end up being anti-social for a few months (again as the years roll by at an accelerated rate), until I'm ready to get back in the ring.

I'm angry at my personal circumstance, and frustrated at the uncertainty of it all. So to feel like I has SOME control, I'm convincing myself to cut him off completely. This means IF he calls back, I won't even answer the phone.

Could use some words, any words?

posted June 18, 2004 01:55 AM         

YOU CAN DO IT!!! RAH RAH RAH!!!!
YEEEEHAAAAWWWW!!!
*****GLORIA******GLORIA******GLORIA*****
WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOO-HHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
WHO NEEDS A MAN?
NO ONE, NO ONE...
WHO NEEDS A MAN?
WELL... the cheer ends there, cuz, well.. face it.. We love 'em. But still.....
YOU ARE A STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN, AND YOU NEED TO BE ALONE RIGHT NOW!!!!! SHOW HIM WHAT YOU'RE MADE OF ( by not showing him at all)
Who needs expression? Mystery is the word of the day....
Full disclosure??? NNNNNNNAAAAAAWWWWWWWW!!!

posted June 18, 2004 03:15 AM         

Also know this separation will help give him some perspective, and for some people, that divine moment of enlightment takes a little time, and I understand.

In Synastry & Composite, there is a lot of emphasis on transformations which we should welcome and not avoid. I've already felt transformed several times. This is good for him. I HAVE taken your advice and spent this whole week getting in touch with myself, being myself, etc.

posted June 19, 2004 08:23 PM         

Mercury just now went into Cancer.

So now we have:

Sun - Gemini
Moon - Cancer
Merc - Cancer
Venus - Gemini
Mars - Cancer
Saturn - Cancer