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Topic: Peajie wisdom.
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Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
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posted August 28, 2005 10:27 PM
 
trillian ~(**croaks in Martian**) "I am only an egg."
-- Valentine Michael Smith Thanks for the tweak on the memory strings! 'Zala IP: Logged |
jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, Florida
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posted August 29, 2005 12:38 AM
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AcousticGod
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posted August 29, 2005 01:18 AM
As a child, you learned the wisdom of a child. As a teenager you learned the wisdom of a teenager. As an adult you learn the wisdom of adulthood. A lesson can only be learned when a person is at a place to accept it.Today's wisdom is tomorrow's misconception or limited view. Our awareness is constantly evolving, and there is no known end. Also, wisdom as true for one, may be untrue by another. Often when people discuss problems the responses will vary. One will feel true while another feels foreign. Is the wisdom from one better than the other? IP: Logged |
peajie
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posted August 29, 2005 03:01 AM
Svetlana.
A story shared. And the eternal choice.To emerse oneself in this world with all its percieved imperfections, or to seek to attune with the call from within for a higher purpose. After 6 years in isolated retreat with 6 hours a day in sitting meditation I desired to become a Swan.
But trying to swim without getting wet is harder for humans. My original post has drawn out so much valid comment and provoking serious thought. Much of which made me feel uncomfortable. Which is good, - because a major disadvantage of loneliness is becoming stuck inside one's own thought patterns. IP: Logged |
peajie
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posted August 29, 2005 03:15 AM
So today I shall be a Parrot,
and not a Swan. LOL. "The Spirit of truth and falsehood
Struggle within the heart of man;
Truth born out of the spring of Light,
Falsehood from the well of darkness.
And according as a man inherits truth
So will he avoid darkness. from the Manual of Disciple
of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Writings of the Essenes.....
There is much discussion elsewhere whether Linda was a Rosicrucian,
But I have no doubt that she was an Essene! IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: former land of the leprechaun
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posted August 29, 2005 05:15 AM
Hi PeajieMany thanks for the report, very kind of you. I sent eamil this morn,but feel it didnt get thro - would you let me know if or not you received it? Thanks love
Sue xxx
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peajie
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posted August 29, 2005 07:28 AM
Good morning Sue.gLooking at mail-times I guess many "posters" out there never sleep ? It is 19.30 here, so must be 11.30AM there ?
No email received yet my dear. But I shall look forward to it . IP: Logged |
sue g
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posted August 29, 2005 10:00 AM
Yeah that would be about right Peajie, my mail is on its way hopefully
xx
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ScotScorp
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posted August 29, 2005 11:08 AM
Svetlana-Thank you for sharing. I've experimented w/what you've done, and feel the same as you do. IP: Logged |
Svetlana
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posted August 29, 2005 12:52 PM
peajie,
"A story shared"
Funny you should say that. It was the first time ever I shared it. I'm still not sure wether mystical and spiritual experiences were meant to be shared or kept to oneself. But as I've mentioned I do force myself into uncomfortable situations now.(Although I confess, I was relieved when everyone ignored my post, except you of course)
peajie,
Would you be comfortable sharing more about your 6 year of isolation experience. I used to entertain idea of life of somewhere in a monastery, to completely devote myself to spiritual persuit. But devotion and duty to my family prevailed. But who knows what might be in the future.I'd appreciate it if you did. But also would understand if you'd rather not.------------------
We are the ones we've been waiting for. IP: Logged |
peajie
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From: Australia
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted August 30, 2005 03:29 AM
Hi Svetlana.Just one of the many BIG questions. "What should one share?". There is great power in secrecy. And to talk about mystical / spiritual experiences is sometimes like lifting the lid on a boiling pot.
The pressure escapes and the experience loses potency. Not to mention the put-down and self doubt which comes from other peoples' scepticism and derision. Tell somebody that you have watched fairies dance and you take the risk of being ignored by sane people. Try to share the experience of a split in conciousness which allowed you to be here and now, while also reliving a past life event at the same time; and you risk medical certification.
My long period of meditation: in search of purpose and reason, and an attempt to find the "Me" who was making this return trip: had mixed results. At first a twice daily sit of 3 hours produced physical problems.
Such as the build up of(forgot the word) muscle toxins from inactivity- (despite the activities of looking after myself in a 9 roomed house and pushing a lawnmower over 18 acres which had be cared for). So I changed to sitting for the last hour in every four, in each 24 hours.
Which was a great lesson in self-discipline. The net result was a total isolation and withdrawal from social contact with fellow humans.
Nature and her spirits were great substitutes, but did not provide the stimulation and training ground provided by human interaction. (Hence the reason Nuns et al become social workers I suppose). We can learn from the experience of others, but nobody can direct or advise us what we SHOULD do.
Only the "report card", provided by the bigger heavenly bodies at the time of our chosen rebirth, can reveal the tendancies from past activity which should direct us. In final analysis I realse we are all totally alone in this material world.
Any real togetherness and bonding takes place at a psychic or spiritual level. And for this ofcourse it is not necessary to be geographically together.
But at one level we are animals who need social and physical contact to maintain human sanity. IP: Logged |
artlovesdawn
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posted August 30, 2005 10:07 AM
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Svetlana
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posted August 30, 2005 10:59 AM
Thank you peajie. I really apprecalte your response.------------------
We are the ones we've been waiting for. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 30, 2005 12:58 PM
peajie
You said:
My original post has drawn out so much valid comment and provoking serious thought.
Much of which made me feel uncomfortable. Which is good, - because a major disadvantage of loneliness
is becoming stuck inside one's own thought patterns.
>>>>>>>yes we all have to keep an eye out on ourselves that we do not become stuck. I grew up in the
hippie days..men with long hair...bell bottom jeans...
then later the bell bottom went out of fashion...the men begain shaving their heads or doing crew cuts....
and the girls/women...well you get the idea!
I found myself not trusting these new strange looking and dressing people....then the body piercings
and other wild hair all spiked and strange colors...I found myself feeling afraid of these strange new folk.
But then I got up the nerve to get to know them. I would sit in a coffee shop or diner.. and buy them ...a perfect
stranger...
a cup of coffee and sometimes more. They would at first look at me like I must be some kind of weird old person..
.and say to me...why do you want to buy me coffee..what do you want? Are you selling something or are you going to
preach at me like some do gooder? Well you get the idea. No..I would say...I just saw you and found something
interesting about you...so sit and tell me...how does getting a pircing feel? And other questions...and soon we
would be having all kinds of very cool and fun conversations! Then they would tell their friends and so forth and
so on...and they were no longer afraid of me...that I might judge them...and I learned that in addition to age and
disabilty...beauty or not......that persons who augment their bodies and hair and dress different.....are not scary
or strange at all! They all have very interesting stories and many different reasons for their chosen way to show
themselves to the world. And now I find these diversities of expression both physical and mindsets as wonderful and
beautiful.
I learned alot...and now will not judge ever again a person by their augmented look! Or outlook on the world. The
newer generation has always had VCRs and DVD players..computers an cell phones..microwaves and more! They did not grow up
in a world of chopping wood and shoveling coal...or outhouses or a planet with out satellites orbiting. They cannot
imagine easily a world without video games and so forth. Even the highways and malls are common expected things for them.
Things have changed so much since even the 1960s...and will change ever faster now. None of us can afford to get stuck in
our ways...that includes all generations and ages of people..anywhere.
I have a friend who will not let himself cross that boundary. He said that he suffers from "hardening of the categories"
...a disease he admits is as detrimental to the soul and its growth as hardening of the arteries are to the body. It
horrifies him that I have friends whom I hug with gusto...who to quote him.."look like human pincushions or alien
invaders".
Well..I now find their looks an expression of themselves...and it is attractive and works for who they are.
It just hit me some 20 years ago that I had fallen into the same trap for awhile when I was just over 30...that many had
fallen in to about us hippies. We were strange and scary and not respectable looking. Uh oh and oh dear me! There I was
acting just like those folks who refused to understand us hippies......afraid for awhile of that strange new younger generation!
I got over that for sure!!!!!!!
It is terrifying to think that I was turning into a crabby old person at 30!!!!!!!
I had to turn around and take a hard and brutal look at me and say "what the f--k!"..
and pull my head out of that place that dates us and causes us to stagnate and not change..and truly get old inside.
I think many go through that around 30 or so.
That is the age when you can really decide wether you will just get older and get hardening of the categories...
or move forward with interest and view with delight the changes in people from generation to generation...and look
at the world through their lives and eyes....and keep growing and learning...and never truly grow old.
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sue g
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From: former land of the leprechaun
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posted August 30, 2005 02:00 PM
"men with long hair....bell bottom jeans.....Ooohhh Fayte.......I remember that......my hubbie still wears both (and I do) LOL......groovy stuff or what!!! Love that hippy stuff
xxx
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fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
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posted August 30, 2005 02:48 PM
sue g!
I still do too! My husband and I both wear caftans too! And we both have very very long hair!
He is very much what I refer to as a new generation hippie.
He would have fitted in just perfectly back then.....been a guru or something like that!
The only thing different is that I gave up makeup years ago except on a rare whim.
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angel_of_hope
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From: Palmer, Alaska
Registered: Jul 2004
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posted August 30, 2005 04:12 PM
Faye - I must say this ... i saw a woman over the weekend and for what ever reason you popped into my mind - im wondering if this is what you look like maybe ... Long hair - blonde or sandy blonde, maybe even a light brown
Her face was plain - and by plain i mean no make up
She was about med hieght, above 5 foot but not quite my height which is 5'9"
Kinda slender, not heavy but not thin - kionda middle of the road more on the thin side though It was very strange. she also wore a "indian jones type hat" like the soft sided leather cowboy hats??? Is this like you at all ... it just seemed very strange for me to see her but think of you. ang- *please dont take offense as i am just curious as to why i saw you when i looked at her" IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted August 30, 2005 07:23 PM
Humbled?  Trill, that just means you didn't feel like arguing with me. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
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posted August 30, 2005 10:53 PM
angel_of_hope..
Ok...not like me now...a little me years back..
I have weighed as little as 94 pounds and as high as 400 or so.
Lets just say I am Still heavy now...but not thankfully near my high point!
The steroids(for severe injuries) and years of semi paralysis took their toll. I am much better but still disabled. Only episodes now of that, not bedridden now.Ok...when I was not disabled first:
Long hair...med auburn to strawberry blond...3 feet long...could look blonder if I used alot of Sun In hair lightener. 5'4"..
Very over busty...oh what the heck...I measured then at 42-28-34.
Top heavy.short waisted...muscular...professional armwrestler..contortionist...
and wore a hat with the one side pinned up...one of those Aussie hats...Black sueded leather.
Green/gold eyes...freckles...very pale...
small features.
Ok...now...heavier...do not lighten hair now...longer hair..almost 4 feet....dark fading auburn with lots of blond and silver running through it...kind of like a tortoise shell cat color. Still muscular though heavy.
Kind of looked like a cross between Fergie and Bernadette Peters...when younger or some of those ladies in the Waterhouse paintings..
or others of red/auburn haired ladies. That is interesting...because Sue g saw me as a blond with alot of makeup. Nope...never been blond.
PS. would not be caught ever in a cowboy hat! The only time was when I was like 5 years old! IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted August 30, 2005 11:14 PM
I'm glad I popped in, that was all beautiful, Fayte, and Angel of Hope, I love all this sharing, and you're both so beautiful.Love and Light IP: Logged |
peajie
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From: Australia
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted August 30, 2005 11:32 PM
Absolutely wonder Artlovesdawn.
And you know it is .Oh "if only" we had more enlightened school teachers like yours. A choice is always between two options !!
but if we have mental room to draw back we often find the original question is only a subset of two bigger questions. And as in this example by the teacher it was hidden because the students confined their thoughts to the teachers words. In the closed-paradigm life we learn to respond to what is said to us instead of evolving the freedom to hear what is not said.
As Fayte has just carefully described.
I have a 22 yr son who has spikes and chains, multicoloured hair and long block coat etc.
At 6ft+ he appears frightening and evil and people cross the road to avoid him.
He explains he wants to shake peoples' perceptions. I know he is really an adorable pussycat.
Hidden On the end of a long metal chain ending in a pocket down by his knee one expects to find a knife.
I love him. It is a little cuddle teddy bear. IP: Logged |
sweetlibra
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posted August 31, 2005 06:35 AM
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artlovesdawn
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posted August 31, 2005 12:07 PM
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fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
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posted August 31, 2005 12:11 PM
peajie! 
How interesting...we both have a son who is not seen for the gentle fellows they are.
Mine is 24 years old...naturally apricot auburn hair...firey beard...handlebar mustache 6 foot plus tall also. Dresses like a hippie or in his own redentions of 17th century wear.
In school the teacher for show choir would not pick him . This teacher said my son was not normal like the other boys, in their baggy jeans and short hair.
Well in his senior year ...the teacher found out too late that he could do John Lennon...Billy Joel..Tom Petty and even period piece ballads and songs that sounded very good. So good that when he did "Imagine" on stage the crowd became silent and some even cried. When asked why he never sang in show choir...he said..people were too busy looking at my hair.
Yes people can be so biased.
Thanks for telling about your son peajie!
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angel_of_hope
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From: Palmer, Alaska
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posted August 31, 2005 12:37 PM
 Faye - you said
Long hair...med auburn to strawberry blond...3 feet long...could look blonder if I used alot of Sun In hair lightener. 5'4"..
Very over busty...oh what the heck...I measured then at 42-28-34.
Top heavy.short waisted...muscular...professional armwrestler..contortionist...
and wore a hat with the one side pinned up...one of those Aussie hats...Black sueded leather.
Green/gold eyes...freckles...very pale...
small features. You just described what i saw. I was really trying to figure a way to explain this lady i saw - but i couldnt find the words that wouldnt offend you! This lady looked very similar to your description. "Top Heavy" is are the words i was searching for while typing that. Cause she had thin, yet muscular legs. And crazily enough, she also had freckles, like lightly airbrushed on. The cowboy hat was said even though it was not a cowboy hat, again i couldnt find the words ... hence the "indian jones style" hat - lol. WOW that is crazy ... must have a link somehow!! Thanks Faye!! & Peajie - Sorry to interupt your thread  - Carry On!! Ang-  P.S. Peajie - i love how your son is rebeling against the common stereotypes and trying to change peoples perceptions. Its amazing how so many people, even enlightened souls, are so quick to judge. I used to be amoung those people who would nit pick peoples ways and see their dressing habits as who they really were. But i was shown a diffrent way. And i've learned to not be so quick to judge or i may be biting my own tounge. It makes me feel as if i am a better person as well.
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