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SparklingSag
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posted November 09, 2005 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparklingSag     Edit/Delete Message
Hey all.
I just wondered if a fire sun sign can ever really gel with a water sun? Is the diffence between the elements just too great?

The reason I ask - i adore my cancer guy friend and we get well- to the point where we can sit in silence and still be communicating you know? But his ex gf is a scorpio so ideal for his cancer sun.
I understand that there is more to it than just sun signs....but my mind keeps coming back to it and i cant see how that can work. He can get so grumpy....and i try hard to not offend him when he is tired..but foot in mouth disease makes him laugh most of the time.

I guess i may be an insecure person...more than I thought (and like to admit...) but i am proud to say that i adore him which is a lovely feeling.

anyways, what do you guys think? can it realy work between the fire and water element?

btw im a
Sag sun
Leo Moon
Libra venus and mars
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sthenri
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posted November 09, 2005 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Yes of course, my sister is a Sag and happily married to a Scorpio, one of our best friends is a Cancer. Water and fire work very well because they are much alike-with respect and time they can live together. My sister and her husband knew each other from childhood. Likewise you see earth and air signs together because they are both rational.

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pidaua
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posted November 09, 2005 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
I agree totally with Natasha. My brother is a Sag Sun / Scorp moon very happily married to a Scorp Sun / Aqua moon.

I get along well with water signs.. they say that Fire and Water can get along well because we are emotional beings. More so that Air or Earth (only in that we display our emotions easier- but differently).

Again.. that is only based on Sun signs.. a Fire sign with tons of Earth or Air may not get along with a Water sign with tons of Fire.. but they make truly love and get along with an Earth sign that has alot of Fire / Water in their charts.

I have dated Fire signs that had a severe lack of water but a high dose of air that I just can't connect with even though we have that 5-9 sun pattern.

It all depends on how you are willing to deal with the communication and what are you willing to do in order to make it work

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cancerrg
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posted November 11, 2005 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cancerrg     Edit/Delete Message
i simply say why not !

i dont have any aries or leo friends . though i think i attract aries males .i met one , yesterday only .
never had an experience with leos , i have just a few aquitances .
but well i do have sags friends , even my scorpio friends have .

with them first thing that open me up is ,the humour .
both have the same kind of silly free willing humour , not very witty .
second , i know i am not being judged in front of sags , though they are pretty judgemental , i hear
third , we both share the positive sense .
i read it somewere , cancers are second to sags in the positive attitude department (i know cancers look very opposite of what i am saying but all my friends including air people say they like me for this attitude)

ah , in the opposite sex scenario , the scence might be a bit different bcos we ain't really up to the expectation in the sense that we are too much of slow or boring kind compared to fire or air people but in a settled realtion , i feel they can be very very compatible ,especially sags .
with leos , there needs to be a lot of understanding to made .its a fifty fifty scenario but i feel it can work , fire signs are difficult lovers but stable partners . thats what we need .
with aries female , it becomes very tough for me to understand thier attachment in a detached ways . but i like them for this attitude bcos this is something i lack.

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Peri
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posted November 11, 2005 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
YES!
my mom is leo sun/sag rising (stellium in the 8th though) my dad is cancer sun/scorp moon (sun conj white moon in the 5th), unfortunately they divorced but they had been married for 30 years and were happy together!
Maybe it was their "marriage saturn return" that worked

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2phishuponastar
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posted November 12, 2005 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2phishuponastar     Edit/Delete Message
Hi There!

I agree with the other posts. I'm a pisces sun (venus, mercury, saturn and chiron too!) with an aries moon. I've had more than a few leo's in my life (boyfriends, friends, sibling) Most recently, I was married to one (with a scorpio moon) for 15 years, and with him for 5 years before that. I'm almost all water and earth, he's almost all fire and air, but apparently having our moons in one another's most plentiful element was great glue for holding it all together. Admittedly, we did break up, but in those 20 years together we got a whole lot right---so much so, that we're still close friends to this day.

From an astrological perspective, I think you really have to look at a person's (and couple's) entire chart--there may be more balance between you than you realize. But more than that, you're still talking about two human beings--both of whom have been shaped by countless life experiences, and are graced with free will. Regardless of how 'angry' or passionless or problematic two charts might appear to be on paper...you can never discount the abilities of the individuals to rise above it all just the same.

The heart wants what it wants, right? And that can endow us with more patience, flexibility, and capabilities for change than we might otherwise have previously imagined! And on that note...I say go for it!!

Best of luck to you!

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We have more possibilities available in each moment than we realize.

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nove731
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posted November 12, 2005 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message
I'd say so. I'm an Aries Sun, and literally ALL of my friends are water Suns.

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sdg1844
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posted November 13, 2005 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sdg1844     Edit/Delete Message

Hey why not! Anything is possible under the sun. There are ppl in my life that I've loved and love which on a purely surface level I prob should have nothing in common with.

We are so complex and made up of so many diff. qualities and influences and that's the beauty of it.

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Before you speak, ask yourself, is it kind, is it necessary, is it true, does it improve on the silence?
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SparklingSag
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posted November 19, 2005 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparklingSag     Edit/Delete Message
Hi everyone,
Sorry have been extra busy so haven't had time to reply. Wow, you have restored my faith a little! I found it interesting that i went out with a predominantly air/fire guy and u know what? the chemistry just wasnt there for a romantic relationship...yet the cancer and pisces guys i just seem to want more and more...

Sparkling

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LeoLys
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posted November 19, 2005 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeoLys     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not sure. I have a pisces that keeps slipping through my paws. He's pretty when he swims in his nice blue water, and he is happy that way. Being a lion, and a fire sign, the first thing i want to do is hook him and put him on a fire. He sees that hook, and swims the other way. its funny that way.

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sue g
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posted November 20, 2005 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
I know a Leo woman who has been married to a Pisces guy for 25 years.....BUT.....she has been unfaithful to me at least 2 or 3 times....so obviously there is something lacking there...i know one of the lovers was an Aries and they were HOT together........

So maybe it can work, but of course it depends on the whole chart doesnt it?

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SparklingSag
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posted November 20, 2005 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparklingSag     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Sue,

The whole chart is important. I wondered if i gave u a few bits of this guys chart whether it would make a difference in the way he reacted to my fire.

Him: March 1st 1984
Sun: Pisces
Moon: Aqua
Asc: Leo
Venus: Aqua
Mars: Pisces

Me: 26 Non 1983
Sun: Sag
Moon:Leo
Asc: Cap
Venus and Mars: Libra

Hope you dont mind but i like how a whole chart can change perceptions.

Sparkling


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SparklingSag
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posted November 29, 2005 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparklingSag     Edit/Delete Message
Okay -
I am feeling pretty down right now. Everyone seems to have a special someone and im worried I will end up alone! Honestly, adoring my friend is not enough. I need to have someone feel the same I do about them.....i need a little ray of hope to get me smiling again...

Sparkling

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purple_scorp
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posted November 29, 2005 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for purple_scorp     Edit/Delete Message
Oh Sparkling,

(((((Sparkling))))) I hate to say it but there will be many times in your life where you may feel like that.

Love can come for all of us at any age in our life.

Live for the moment. Don't waste your life thinking about tomorrow. Because before you know, tomorrow comes and goes, and then it was yesterday!

with love
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alanabelle86
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posted November 29, 2005 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message
im dating a sag and im a scorp

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ariestiger
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posted December 01, 2005 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestiger     Edit/Delete Message
SparklingSag, take the plunge and tell him you think he's great, and mutually agree on going out somewhere together regularly, if you're not already doing so. You may have to be the initiator, Water sign men may not be great at initiating, although there are always exceptions.

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SparklingSag
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posted December 03, 2005 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparklingSag     Edit/Delete Message
Okay - how is it possible that i feel attacted to a pisces man but i also feel so uncomfortable too. Feel like we are on totally different wavelenghts....but then will connect with him again and i feel a little shiver.
I dont understand it at all...is it possible that a guy i totally mis understood when i first met him could be growing on me?

Sparkling

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Lauren
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posted December 04, 2005 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lauren     Edit/Delete Message
Sparkling, if your suns square by degree it wouldn't be at all unusual that you are both attracted and uncomfortable.

It'd be very good if you had positive Moon and Mercury connections in synastry. These tone down the square a lot.. but if your Mercuries are also squared (which I suspect might be the case, because you said you totally misunderstood him when you first met him).. then you might find you disagree on too many things to make it work. It's completely up to you though and how much you're willing to put into understanding each other.

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SparklingSag
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posted December 04, 2005 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparklingSag     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Lauren,
that would make sense. I dont think it could work. The cancer i was totally comfortable with from day one.

However, i do know another pisces man and we've had a physical connection. But his asc was leo, moon in aqua and venus in aqua.

I have leo moon and cappie asc and venus in libra.

But our mercuries i think are squared tough- his in pisces and mine in Sag.

Anyways, thanks for input.

Sparkling

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SparklingSag
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posted December 13, 2005 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparklingSag     Edit/Delete Message
The cancer got back with his scorpio ex gf. That was the right decision I think.Its a shame that i adore/trust him and cant be with him. Wasn't meant to be I guess.

Sparkling

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Scorpionic Web
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posted December 28, 2005 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorpionic Web     Edit/Delete Message
I am currently in a relationship with a Sagittarius and I'm pretty miserable. She has the typical "eternally happy" demeanor which is impossible for me to relate to. It was nice at first because it got me out of myself, but anymore its sort of sickening. I need understanding more than positivity. While every Sag male that I'm friends with has the inability to commit to his girls, two of the three Sag girls I've dated were terribly clingy and jealous.

Sag's seem to have a competition complex. Everything turns into a "I can do anything better than you" struggle. I don't mind healthy competition or even feminists, but I can't take girls who say "I can do anything better than you" AND THEN treat me like I still owe them something. Relationships, to me, are supposed to be intricate, spiritual and a give-and-take symbiosis, and Sag's just want sex and a rock-climbing/kayak partner. They make sex routine, both physically and mentally, and I simply need something deeper and more profound than a good old romping.

Hope I didn't offend any Sagittarians. I've never found comfort in Fire.

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MoonDuchess88
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posted December 28, 2005 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonDuchess88     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, How'd I miss this thread? Anyways, I think it all depends on the chart. I, as a cancer, love the sagittarian optimism because I think it's refreshing. I just don't like the "foot in mouth" syndrome that seems to be prevelant among sags.


I seem to have some karma with the sign because they're always in my life starting with my best friend from the third grade to alot of my boyfriends. The current one is a scorp with a sag stellium (merc,jupiter, uranus, neptune). Three of my closest ppl are sags. I've kind of cut one out because she's been unreliable and draining. She takes me for granted thinking I'll always be waiting around for her. Too bad I have a life . Other than that, I sags

cancer/virgo/cappy

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lizkin33
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posted December 28, 2005 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message
HI everyone, Well, I am Pisces and a my male friend is Aries. But he is cusp -Aries/Pisces. We do get along very well. Because he has water in his sign. Although those cusps are very dificult, negative people. We have a lot in common. But Aries/Pisces have a big ego. They think they know everything and they think they are perfect. I kind of felt for him and honestly it makes me only misrable.Because he is the one that like his freedom and God knows when he'll settle

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Scorpionic Web
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posted December 29, 2005 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorpionic Web     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, Sagittarians are certainly living life.

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arkuar
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posted December 29, 2005 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for arkuar     Edit/Delete Message
i notice that most of the fire/water pairings mentioned in this thread are Sag/Sco. i've been stuck in a Sagittarian rut for about 10 years; it's like i'm a magnet to/for Archers. my take on this is that it can be fun for a while, but i'm ultimately left wanting. Sag and Sco are like siblings, prone to rivalry. mutable fire and fixed water are diametrical opposites. differences should be complementary, but if that's what makes your relationship tick, go for it.

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