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posted December 28, 2007 03:45 PM         

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Thanks maklhouf
I do very much believe in polyamoury. However only in the committed sense. And the sex is a secondary factor. That sense of love and safety and comfort with each other comes first. Its when living in separate households just does not cut it. You all want to be together under one roof. As for the sexual aspect; all must not be hung up on gender roles, like what it means to be straight, gay, lesbian, trans gendered, young, old, etcetera. The labels disappear if love is real and soul deep. And absolute honesty and trust is required!
I am not taking about open marriage here nor open relationships, but in essence a 3 way commited "marriage".

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posted December 29, 2007 11:01 AM         

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posted January 02, 2008 05:04 AM         

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You mean slavery, but many slaves are willing slaves. They just need a master they really respect

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posted January 02, 2008 02:25 PM         

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The reasons are as many and varied as there are people, and of course people get a lot of sexual satisfaction from playing master and slave. This proves it is a Universal code, as these usually go underground into the sexual realm when they are suppressed everywhere else.

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posted January 02, 2008 04:27 PM         

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posted January 05, 2008 08:12 AM         

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That's a very dry reply ALD. Being tha kind of person I am, I often get slavey types trying to manipulate me into the Master position, and, interestingly there seems always to be more vacancies for masters than slaves. BTW nobody has mentined the population limiting effects of polygamy. In a polygamous world, I think there would be less of a problem with overpopulation.

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posted January 05, 2008 08:42 AM         

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BTW nobody has mentined the population limiting effects of polygamy. In a polygamous world, I think there would be less of a problem with overpopulation.

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Sorry, I'm stepping back in to say that I strongly disagree with this statement. Do you know just how many children different Kings in my country have because of the surplus amount of wives, added on to the fact that Mozambican families are already large even with monogamus marraiges? Do you know how many brothers and sisters Osama Bin Laden had coming from a polygamus family? (hint: the answer to both these questions involves double digits)

If this world was a polygamous one we would have a global population problem similar to the one India has now. Not a good thing, especially for developing nations.

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posted January 05, 2008 09:53 AM         

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One way to solve the population problem of polygamy is for women to have the multiple partners, not the men! One man can impregnate many, but one woman no matter how many lovers, can only have one child at a time.
A man could have 100 "wives" or more and impregnate them all. A woman could have 100 "husbands" or more but only one pregnancy at a time and never a child for each and all of the "husbands".

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posted January 05, 2008 11:41 AM         

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Am I right in thinking you are child-free, Fayte? Is that by choice or necessity?

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posted January 05, 2008 03:45 PM         

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Am I right in thinking you are child-free, Fayte? Is that by choice or necessity?

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Nope!
Got me all wrong there!
I have an almost 27 year old married son.
I have had some 26 miscarriages and stillbirths. I get pregnant very easily but due to certain problems beyond my control...cannot usually carry beyond 12 weeks, and only made it
to 4 and 5 months a few times; except for my son who was born at 39 weeks.
I wanted to have a child with my current husband but have only had miscarriages.
When we get rich we will adopt or make some arrangement. My family has an odd history of bearing children in their 50s, so who knows what the future will bring.

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posted January 07, 2008 12:20 AM         

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I think it is certainly possible to love and be "in love" (simultaneously) with more than one person. Society creates all these ideas about love which causes heartache and misunderstanding. Of course, it is more practical and intimate to share love in a monogamous way, but to condemn people who don't is another thing. Who has the right to say that you can't love more than one person at a time?

I think being "in love" is transient and ultimately, cannot last forever.

I think true love in itself is infinite and knows no boundaries.

However, too much liberty can lead to selfishness.

There is yin and yang in everything.

Most human beings have insecurities of some sort or another and deserve to be shown that they are worth total loyalty and devotion. A lack of this leads to low self-worth- everyone deserves to feel good about themselves!

However, if there are a few rare individuals in the world who are beyond this enough to have an "open relationship" which doesn't hurt anyone, then who am I to say that what they do is wrong?

Live and let live I say!

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posted January 09, 2008 04:48 AM         

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That's lovely, ltt
Dolce luna: No matter how many wives one man has, I think it would be physically impossible for them to have together, as many children as the same amount of women could have if they each had a separate husband. The polygamous husband cannot be in two vaginas at the same time. In fact, I would go so far as to blame the whole population explosion on the prevalence of monogamous marriage.

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posted January 09, 2008 07:03 AM         

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You sure about that? Because it doesn't take much to get someone pregnant (Isn't this basic sex-ed?). Go watch Maury Polvich where the guy fathers 8 different womens' children and bailed out on ALL of them if you think I'm lying.

Because I already know of polygamous marraiges with more than ten children. Hell, what about those religious sects out West (U.S.) with polygamous marraiges.....and like 13 children for each family?

In Places where polygamous marraiges are acceptable (in East, North, South, and West Africa); families are already traditionally large to begin with, so its not uncommon to see a monogamous marraige where there are 6-8 children. Now, as for those who practice polygamy (mainly chiefs), the families get even larger than that. I know with mine....he has more than 10 children. I can't remember the exact amount, but its somewhere in the double digits. Using Osama Bin Laden again, he was one of 50 children. his father was a wealthy businessman with......I forget the number of wives but it was a polygamous marriage.

So tell me, how is it that Polygamy (where its usually practiced) would curb a population explosion? And how did a monogamous one create it in the first place?

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posted January 09, 2008 03:13 PM         

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You are purposely(?) vague about the number of wives per husband. The monogamous aim for 2.5 kids per marriage. As they usually practise serial monogamy that number can mount up fast. I would guess that your king has fathered less than 2.5 children per wife. Certainly fewer than five which would be the minimum with serial monogamy. And yes, I'm sure he cannot dip his rod into two pools at the same time!

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posted January 10, 2008 12:27 PM         

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No I am not, I cannot remember the exact number of wives he has (there are too many to remember). And there isn't a rule (unless the chief happens to be Islamic) about how many wives he can have. He gets one from every village he visits as salaam: a gift of Thanks.

And maybe in Western culture the 2.5 children per marriage applies but in mine.....as I've stated before.....families grow to as large as eight children. Especially since people want BOYS and keep trying until they get one.

And of course one guy can't be in two women at the same time (sorry for the vulgarity) but it still does not take alot to get someone pregnant....going back the example of the man who fathers 13 children all around the same age because he's so damn promiscous and careless. The only difference between that and an actual polygamous marriage is that the one who's married now has a license to screw around with 13-15 different women.

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posted January 11, 2008 05:53 AM         

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Re: the man who screws around and has 13, that is not what we are talking about, we are talking about marriage, or atleast commitment. The man will be constrained by the expectation that he will provide for any kids he produces.
DL I feel an urge to go fishing, may I sink my stick in your dark pond?

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posted January 11, 2008 12:54 PM         

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Come? *scratches head*

Men within Monogamous marraiges in Mozambique are also constrained by that same expectation....of course that doesn't stop them from having more and more children either (fortunately or unfortunately). So why should the ones with more than one wife be any different? In fact, the chiefs/kings actually HAVE the means that us mortals do not (hehe) to provide for these wives and children. Some of them are said to be worth millions because of their royal status.

And what makes you think things are that rosy within polygamous marraiges? That there really is a strong sense of commitment coming from the husband to all his wives? Of course, technically there should be but I can tell you that isn't the reality in alot of cases.

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posted January 25, 2008 06:10 AM         

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Obviously 99.9% of Lindaland women are too pure to get the filthy innuendo in my last post! Pixelpixie, are you there?
Re: the subject, I have never found that two make one. Esoterically, three is the unifying number. Man, woman, child, or man and two women etc.

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posted January 25, 2008 08:56 AM         

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Obviously 99.9% of Lindaland women are too pure to get the filthy innuendo in my last post! Pixelpixie, are you there?

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DL I feel an urge to go fishing, may I sink my stick in your dark pond?

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I think more got your brash come on than will admit.
It was clear to me that you were asking DL if she would let you have sexual intercourse with her.
Maybe the ladies were ignoring your innuendo.
And taking it farther..
perhaps you were being even more crude and making fun of DL's ethnicity, and the fishing reference can be taken as quite offensive if you were making a nasty jab insinuating women all smell like fish.

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posted January 25, 2008 12:28 PM         

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Heyy, I don't do all that other stuff, just the sex. Wanna play?

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posted January 25, 2008 01:14 PM         

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Heyy, I don't do all that other stuff, just the sex. Wanna play?

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If that is directed to me...

Thanks for the offer!
But I do not do the free "love"=sex thing of the 1960s and 70s anymore.

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Personally the idea, the basis and the thought of polygamy disgusts me. To each is own, I believe, but when it comes to me and how I live my life; I couldnt imagine being in a polygamous relationship/marriage/arrangement. It has something to do with the fact that a person has the ability to turn around and say the exact same loving words to 5 other different people that makes my blood run cold. Polygamy in itself isn't cheating...and a lot of people would argue thats it's a much better arrangement than a typical, traditional marriage because the honesty and wanting to "be a big family" is there. Im a serial monogamist, always have been, always will be.

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posted April 25, 2008 10:19 AM         

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Thanx for your contribution 78orange, but the person can do or say what he likes to anybody anyway. Polygamy just makes it official. I'm not big on any kind of marriage, but I think polygamy is less savage than serial monogamy

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