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Topic: Ra...I'm sorry,but I also have a dream !
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Jaqueline
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posted October 24, 2002 10:07 PM
 
RaI would be extremely happy if you could give me your interpretation in relation to my last dream.
But if you have no time, you can make the interpretation of Stella's dream first .
Unhappily I am not able to help her and I think she's needing your answer. 
Something really fascinating it's happening here. In spite of we been born in such distant continents and with such different cultures, we have the same doubts, the same questions and a lot of times the same problems. And because we have the same age, we spoke the same language. 
Jakie 
In life there are only two tragedies : the first is not to get what we wanted, the second.... it is to get.
Oscar Wilde
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stella polaris
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posted October 25, 2002 01:23 AM
I can't believe it! This is the SECOND time I loose my reply. I posted one yesterday afternoon and when I logged on to see if there were any replies it wasn't there, only your new posts. I was writing that you shouldn't delete anything, Jakie, I enjoy reading what you write, if Ra wants to find my dream, he will...Actually, now I lost my reply because I searched for something you said about the jealousy aspect between mother and daughter, I wanted to read it again..Because I've never thought about that before. I'm absolutly not jealous of my mother, there is nothing in her life that I'd want (except to look like her when I'm 64!), my choices are totally different. And maybe that's the problem, she's like me to envie something in her life, to copy something...
Anyway, what I've been trying to write twice now is that coming here is better than psychotherapy! Ra, you shouldn't feel guilty about not having time to interprete all dreams posted on this forum, I thought the idea was all of us here helping eachother...If you have time I'd prefer you to comment my housedream, where I saw a house in a dream like it is today, but where I felt I lived at some point.
Yesterday I was driving a lot and had plenty of time to think about my dream. I think the lake symbolizes my unsconsciousness and that I now drag out dead meat. Also, the invitation from my former collegues is probably connected to the fact that I finally have a contract with a publisher and feel like "one of them" again. I think the train symbolizes that I'm still carrying stuff with me, the compartment was so small as a luggage locker, only a child could fit, but there was a glass door. So I think this symbolize luggage I carry from my childhood, but that I know can see what it is..
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Jakie, your dreams, from what I know about you: The dead man is your husband, this horrible outfit shows that your not attracted to him anymore. You wash your hands because you don't want to take resbonsibility for that decicion concerning him that you had to take and you mentioned before. The feeling of beeing scared on the street alone refers that you find it scary to be alone after the divorce, not even the police to protect you, but you manage.
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The house dream must be connected to your fear of the ocean, but I don't know how...
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The man in the restaurant is the wise man, Ra, a stranger, that you ask for help. No response indicates that you have to find the answers yourself..I'll post this so I don't loose it again. IP: Logged |
stella polaris
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posted October 25, 2002 01:41 AM
Jakie, like you wrote before somewhere: The answers are within us. But I find it great help being able to write down dreams, experiences, anything, and get inputs. It helps.
It's never to late to lead a Mary Tyler Moore life! But I guess, when you marry at 18 it takes some time to learn to be an strong and totally independent woman...I don't really have any regret in my life, but I think things would have been different if I had persuaded an artistic career earlier. After school, I was supposed to go to Poland to study under a famous textile artist there, but the political situation got horrible and I didn't go. And when I started writing articles everything went dead easy. I envie you your creative learning, I had to teach myself everything.
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Jaqueline
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posted October 25, 2002 03:37 PM
Dear Stella
I think you are totally right about your dream and mine. Your interpretation,I think ,is quite right. The dead man should be my ex. 
Two weeks before my separation, I dreamed that I found my ex, in the bathroom, dead, in the same position that was the other man.
As for the jealousies, I wanted to say that maybe your mother is jealous of you .
A lot of times,daughters accomplish dreams that their mothers didn't have opportunity to accomplish, and that can provoke a certain jealousies in the mother. I believe in that.
That's the citation I used :
" In one aspect all the teachings of the great religions agree: what we are looking is inside of us, not outside ".
Paramahansa Yogananda , master yoghi
And the best way find the answers, it is exactly what we are doing. To speak. To verbalize. To transform feelings in words and words in actions.
The poison and the antidote comes from the same snake.
And we are conscious of that. Only one thing I didn't understand.
I envie you your creative learning, I had to teach myself everything.
What exactly do you mean with this sentence ?  Take care
Jakie
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Jaqueline
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posted October 25, 2002 06:21 PM
StellaI'm back.
I was walked around the site,check my transits[astro.com], reading the newspaper- today I had no time to do it in the morning- and when I get back here, I went to astrology course.
I was reading your post and I found very funny what you said about you & your "leo" husband  It's interesting. You said that you have a lot of earth at your chart.Sometimes I could feel that, don't ask me why, I just felt.
You have a great sense of humor also
Another day I was reading something that you posted about Lilith, and I laugh a lot when I read about your children... that they didn't speak english Thanks for what you are doing here. I love our conversation and to change ideas with you give me too much pleasure.
Tonight I have a dance-party  , so I have to prepare mys-elf , but I hope to hear from you tomorrow. Take care dear
Jakie 
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Jaqueline
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posted October 26, 2002 12:33 PM
RaWhen you have time,I hope you can give me your interpretation about my last dream...
There's really something strange about the house in front of the sea and I just can't figure what it is. Thanks
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Ra
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posted October 27, 2002 04:45 PM
Hi Jaqueline - I have been trying to catch up on some even older dreams - and I think I have - so you are next!Stella - I will certainly look at that house dream. I have it printed out, and will be looking at it tonight. The thoughts on your last dream that you posted seem very right to me. I apologize for kind of leaving the two of you here, and I will get back to you just as soon as I can! Thank you both very much for your patience ... and the wisdom that you have been sharing across the board! I am privileged to know you both!   IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted October 28, 2002 12:00 PM
Accepter l'impuissance , c'est la voie pour accepter la réalité .
C'est l'acceptation de la limite , l'acceptation des impossibilités ou expérience de l'impuissance qui nous humanise.To accept the impotence, it's the way to accept the reality.
It's the acceptance of the limit,the acceptance of the impossibilities or experience of the impotence that humanize us. Jakie
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Ra
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posted October 29, 2002 01:25 PM
Jackie, cela est si vrai. (that is so true.)Your dream: I am not sure what you perceive to be strange about that house, but I will give you my thoughts and you can tell me if they fit. The first dream is certainly a reflection of the anxieties you are dealing with. It seems you are waiting for an answer, and that perhaps there is guilt or anxiety (hand washing ala Pilatos) concerning some of the options (restaurant) you have considered, or are considering, and you are attempting to cleanse yourself of it (bathroom). The feelings are centered around a man - or a masculine aspect of self. (but I think you have determined it is probably your ex?) This "man" causes a great deal of conflict in you (red and blue clothes), much of which resides in times past (man is dead). Or perhaps you feel as though your aggressive/active powers (masculine aspects) have been "killed." Then, you change your mind about some answer for which you have been waiting, and decide to take more control, to move under your own power (walk alone). This "terrifies" you, but then you connect with someone/something that gives you a measure of security/peace/empowerment (police) only to find that this is temporary, and you must again "walk alone." The second dream is a carbon-copy of the first, it just uses different symbols. There is guilt and anxiety focused around some situation. Do you feel you have mis-represented the truth to someone? If so, do you fear that this may lead to a false happiness for someone? Again, you "walk alone" and seek answers/security/comfort related to decisions you have made. Again, you find someone that you know or think has the ability to help - but cannot. This "man" seems to be a manifestion of an unconscious aspect of self (black hair/beard) - but could represent an unknown someone - and the bar suggests either a need to relax, or could imply that you are not seeing things clearly. Whichever, it seems the connection with this aspect or person will send you further into self, as this is where your answers are - within self. There may be unconscious issues that need resolving before the answers/help will be made available more "externally." What do you think? IP: Logged |
Ra
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posted October 29, 2002 01:48 PM
Stella - You said - "I just have to get these dreams 'recognized' by someone else as experiences from former lives..." Well, there is little to interpret with that house dream, and I am not sure anyone else can verify if it is a past-life memory, but I will certainly "recognize" that the dream has the characteristics of one! I do feel that this IS a memory. Your suspicions only enhance my feelings of it. It is like a snapshot from a day in the life of this old woman, a very mundane sort of picture. Now, this feeling you had of your head expanding ... this is the icing on the cake! The way I see it, your thoughts about this past life triggered your astral body to expand, just the way your mind was. An expansive action resulted in an expansive reaction. I am familiar with this feeling - it is real. If you can remember how it felt, you may be able to re-create it. This is something that the Buddha did. It can enable you to connect with Universal forces through expansion - and sub-atomic forces through contraction. It can be used as a spring-board for out-of-body-experiences, through which you can ... well, the possibilities are endless! But examining past lives first hand is one of them! I would certainly recommend at least investigating this possible-ability!  IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted October 29, 2002 05:29 PM
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Jaqueline
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posted October 29, 2002 10:31 PM
RaI am impressed.
You are fantastic, wonderful... thank you very much!
You got to describe the situation that I'm living in a way that nor I was able to.
*edited* About your interpretation the only thing that I can say is :
Bingo! Jakie
In the land where horses born with eagle wings,and honey bees have lost their stings.
There's singing forever.Lion's den with fallow deer and rivers made from wine so clear.Flow on and on forever,Dragons fly like sparrows thru' the air and baby lambs where Samson dares to go on.My fairy king can see things . He rules the air and turns the tides that are not there for you and me . Yeah he guides the winds. IP: Logged |
stella polaris
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posted October 30, 2002 11:11 AM
Ra, thank you. Do you have any links to sites about astral bodies and what to expect? As I mentioned before, I had this feeling very often as a child, not only my head, but my whole body. Like my body was leaving my body...It happened in bed at night, before I went to sleep. Actually, it prevented my from going to sleep. Then this spring I received Reiki healing for the first and only time in my life and had this feeling again. I've also had it, but not so strong, when meditating and it's sort of has irritated me and I've stopped before the feeling has become too strong. I'm trying to "empty" my head when meditating and instead my head and body expands...I need to know more about this. IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted October 30, 2002 08:30 PM
Stella There's a thread that maybe you'll like.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000571.html I just posted a poem that I wrote a couple of months ago. When you have a chance,tell me your opinion. Not your professional one,but only if you like it or not Jakie
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Jaqueline
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posted October 30, 2002 08:39 PM
RaLast night,after I wrote the long post for you,I went to sleep...and had one of the worst nightmares of my life  I think I got impressed with my own words  Jakie IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted November 02, 2002 05:55 PM
I had a dream last night that I took the Bible and asked God about my life.
In the dream I opened the book and there was a message to Jacob.
Something about "don't fear Jacob".
I woke up in the middle of the night and wrote in a piece of paper 'cause I didn't want to forget.Now, I went to a website about the Bible and put these words. Look what I got:
Jeremiah 46
28 Do not fear, O Jacob my servant,
for I am with you," declares the LORD .
"Though I completely destroy all the nations
among which I scatter you,
I will not completely destroy you.
I will discipline you but only with justice;
I will not let you go entirely unpunished." And one thing that is very interesting is that my name came from Jacob.
Jacqueline is the feminine form of Jacques,the French version of James wich itself derives from Jacob of the Old Testament. Of course this dream don't need an interpretation Jakie "If what Proust says is true, that happiness is the absence of fever, then I will never know happiness.
For I am possessed by a fever for knowledge, experience, and creation."
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Ra
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posted November 03, 2002 04:08 PM
Wow Jaqueline, that last dream is HEAVY! And thank you for that long post you wrote. You certainly did not have to reveal all of that to the world, but I am glad you did. I thank you very much for the time and thought and honesty you have shared with me. Explaining all of that helps me a great deal as well.  Stella - I do not know of any links at the moment, but I can recommend an author. I should have mentioned him in my post about authors - I do not know how it slipped my mind! This man changed the way I look at the world, both physical and astral and spiritual: Robert Monroe. He has three books, beginning with "Journeys Out of the Body". There is no greater than he, in my opinion. These things you ask about, if seriously pursued, will change your life. There is literally no limit to the possibilities that the out-of-body experience can provide. IP: Logged |
stella polaris
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posted November 04, 2002 01:18 AM
Thanks, Ra! I'll see if I can find some books.
Your last dream was nice, Jakie!
That night I had a dream, which is clearly connected to this things I have be telling about my Mum and wanting to resolve my karma..
I was in some huge dark basement, many corridors, searching and searching. This took ages. Then I had this flash of two girls that had been raped and me shouting out to someone to "cut my throat so that I don't have to live with this anymore".
The basement and the search is a reflex of me searching "the dark corridors of my soul" for an answer. Me shouting to have me throat cut to be free has to do with getting/having all sort of diseases in my throat and how I connect this to my horoscope (Taurus Moon, heavily aspected) that I again connect to my mum. Was I a rapist? Was my daughters raped? Or was this just a symbol of something else? The girls were sisters. My daughters? I didn't dream the actual rape, I just had a flash of two girls and knew this had happened to them.
The thing is, I was reading Edgar Cayce just before going to sleep, about how bad things you've done in the past follow you into your present life and might come as a disease. I didn't have any "feelings" in this dream so this makes me think it was just some ordinary dream. But I'm not sure how to interpret it.
Thanks for inputs.
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Jaqueline
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posted November 04, 2002 04:55 AM
RaYou are right,I should not reveal all those things to the world...
But I was not revealing to the world ,(I'm sure that the world is not interested in my life ) I was revealing for you and Stella But I'll fix this Jakie "Why stain with words what's best expressed by the wordless heart"
Sri Yukteswar
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Ra
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posted November 04, 2002 01:16 PM
Jaqueline, are you okay? I am somewhat concerned about the energies I feel in you. You will be okay - these things you are experiencing, they WILL even out and you WILL make it through. I feel I should reach out to you somehow ... Please be okay.  IP: Logged |
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posted November 04, 2002 01:54 PM
Jaqueline, I read your e-mail. Now I understand. I will write to you as soon as I get my e-mail fixed. Please, no apologies. I am never too busy for you in these matters, and I am not a TOTAL stranger, we have lived before. Eu nau penso-o sao louco. Acredito tudo contou-me, e voce pode conversar a mim sobre estas coisas sempre que voce deseja. Por favor faca, devo-o a voce. I hope that makes sense! Oh ... E seu segredo e seguro comigo. IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted November 04, 2002 08:41 PM
Stella
Unhappily I am not the ideal person to analyze your dream.
I think this is a memory of some traumatic experience lived in one past life, maybe your mother was present or even, she had cause "that" pain. I read a book "writen" by a spirit and it approached this subject. The daughter had a type of rejection for her mother, in spite of the mother be a great person and a great mother. In reality this mother had caused a great pain for her daughter in a past life and in this one,her daughter didn't get to trust her .
But I will remain silent for not confusing you more . I'm sure that Ra will have a great interpretation for your dream.
But there's something that I can and want to tell you .
Masters ,Gurus and disciples, in many levels of the spirituality are unanimous in affirming that all those that put the foot in the path of the enlightenment, made that decision moved by love or by pain.
I can say that I choose the path for the two reasons.
And, I am able, even taking a risk, to affirm, that those to whom the pain drove, can, after a certain time,look back, and say, that there was love in that pain. And the other ones to whom the love guided, they will also recognize some pain in that love.
The truth is that,nobody put the foot in the path before it's ready to tread it. And even before that we think about following it, we are already being guided by those spirits of light that we chose as guardian, counselors, tutors and masters.
It doesn't matter if it was the love or the pain that took me to put my foot in the path.
I noticed that I had no other choice,and I don't regret.
The first thing that I discovered was that I am responsible for everything that I am, think, feel and do.
I am responsible now, and since the beginning, in everyday of my present life, in all of my past lives, and eternally.
That conscience tumbled on me, first as a storm, and then, it was accepted gradually by me.
That conscience of total responsibility was becoming more and more perceptive.
Even being in the beginning of my search,today I am spectator of my own actions.
Today, I try to have a calm acceptance to what happens to me in the daily, and I try to act in agreement with my internal faiths. That conscience enlarges aspects of myself more and more. Some quite positive .
Others not so much.
I discovered force, courage, energy, persistence and faith. On the other hand, the fact that I faced my own essence, made me notice on myself, less pleasant facets, as pride, prepotency, blames, and also a tendency to manipulate the other, through a game, where we altered victim's and executioner papers.
Soon,I understood that to take responsability for everything that happens to me, means to undertake a deep change, an intense sanitation in my vibratory field , transforming the atmosphere where I live and the relationships with relatives, friends and even concepts, as home, relationship, profession and money.
In the beginning I thought that those transformations should be undertaken at a mental level. To change the attitudes, for me,meant to modify ideas.
But I discovered that the changes don't begin in the "head".
After a lot to resist, I finally arrived , to the virtual and physical place where all the transformation happens.
In one day as any other one, meditating before sleeping, I put the foot for the first time, in the land -at that time- arid, stony and inhospitable of my own heart.
It is not necessary to say the size of the shock and the intense transformation work that was necessary to undertake.
In my heart I found fear, abandonment, sadness,pain, sorrow and disappointment .
But there was also inside of me,the memory of an interior full of gardens, with flowers and fruits, that my heart had already been, and, I was sure, it could be again.
There was in my heart the promise of infinite peace and love , symbolized by a fire , lower at that time, but intense.
I worked hard, with meditation and other practices that I learned with Saint Germain's and Allan Kardec's disciples.
But,to pray and to recite mantras is just a part of the work. What really matter, it's never to flee of ourselves, to face each thought and feeling with courage, to accept it, and transform them in something that shows harmony, cooperation and good will, first inside of you and then, in extension, for the atmosphere where you move.
When we are with the two feet firmly fastened in the path, we look for ourselves, for our dark side, for that,that is almost impossible to accept and to forgive,and we understand that the only possibility to have peace in our lives is forgiving.
I am very ,very,very happy because I can feel that you are beginning to tread your path.
Please always remember that the road to forgive is the road of love. Jakie
 Divas are not in heaven.
They are in earth and they are the women that suffer, that struggle, that dream, and mainly, that are not afraid of life.
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Jaqueline
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posted November 04, 2002 09:06 PM
RaThanks.
Don't worry,I'm okay.
I never forget my Ariadne's thread,so even when I can not see the exit of the labyrinth,the thread will show me the way What you said make sense
Eu sei que você não me acha louca e sei tambem que posso confiar em você .
Um passaro me contou ! Jaqueline Through the side rear mirror I can see the past in front of me IP: Logged |
Ra
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posted November 05, 2002 12:50 PM
Jaqueline, your post to Stella is beautiful. I understood most of what you said to me except ... um passaro me contou. O que e "passaro"?  IP: Logged |
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posted November 05, 2002 01:09 PM
God ettermiddag, Stella. About your dream ...I guess it depends upon your definition of ordinary! If you are looking at this from a past-life perspective, it seems to me that you have the basic meaning of it. I think only you could answer those questions, although to me it seems you were a victim. If you can focus upon this before going to sleep, you may be able to get more answers. Robert Monroe came to the same conclusion as Cayce, but he did his work through the out-of-body experience. In his investigations, he found that when a person dies by some traumatic cause, an astral part of that person remains in that time/space, re-living the trauma or just unaware of it, kind of stuck there. This "stuck" part of the astral self has a connection with the "present" incarnation of that individual, and the traumatic happening often manifested physically in the present body. Monroe himself had an inexplicable lesion or pain (cannot remember exactly which) of some sort in his side - internally. It caused him discomfort throughout his life and doctors could not explain or treat it. In one of his "experiences" he was guided to a past event - a barbaric battle. He was guided into helping a particular entity that was struck dead in this battle by a sword in the side. This man did not realize he was dead, and continued to fight - in vain. Monroe somehow helped this person (I think) realize his situation (or maybe he just tried, I do not remember exactly). It was later shown to him that the man was himself, in a past-life - so he was really helping himself! In doing this, his lesion/pain mysteriously disappeared. Perhaps the same is for you?! IP: Logged | |
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