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pidaua
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From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
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posted March 19, 2003 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jaqueline,

No, I didn't take any offense. I thought that maybe I had said something to offend you in a post a while back, but I guess it wasn't me. I try and make a special effort not to attack anyone for their beliefs, but I do question the belief so that I can learn where they are coming from.

So, if I ever do come across as being on the attack, please let me know. You know, us Saggies do suffer from the Hoof in Mouth periodically.

I like to call it dining on Filet of Sole!!!!

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Alena
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posted March 19, 2003 12:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Jaqueline
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posted March 20, 2003 02:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pidaua and Alena

Now we have to pray for everybody involved in this war...

Love
Jakie

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Alena
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posted March 20, 2003 02:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jakie, I wholeheartedly agree.

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pidaua
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posted March 20, 2003 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Meeeeee tooooooo!!!

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1scorp
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posted March 20, 2003 05:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree ladies. Not much left to discuss... as we're in the midst of it all now. So, I'm not arguing... let me rephrase. I'm going to "try" and leave my "opinion" out as I really don't want it to turn into arguments.. about the whys and how comes regarding this war. Well, I did say "try" so don't quote me on it

As we all should see by now that we're not going to make anyone change their point of view or even see things the way in which we choose to base our own opinion from.

All I care about now is that our soldiers be brought home safe and for as few casulties with the people of Iraq as possible.

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Alena
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posted March 20, 2003 05:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree 1scorp and I think these are going to be my last words on this subject for a bit. (although I may be biting my tongue behind the scenes)

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Lost Leo
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posted March 21, 2003 06:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Recently I've been taught an explanation for this doctrine & I'd like to share it:
(I first posted this in another thread but wanted to share w/ as many as possible, maybe spread a little hope)

Fukiyama (plagiarizer of Hegel), "It is the end of history, The battle of the ideologies is over. Liberal Democracy has won over communism(Cold War) & fascism(WWII)"

Nations, being Asian, Western or Eastern European, or North or South American (& even Africa once they stabilize) have all started to liberalize their economies & governments in hopes of interconnecting the world & globalizing, which would hopefully raise the bar for standard of living in all third world countries (still theory & still debatable, but so far the theory is working).

Now Rumsfield, probably the staunchest conservative in the government has expressed this ideal since the 80s to liberalize gov'ts when the opportunity presents itself.

Right now they are seeing an opportunity to have this dream realized & possibility the reverse of the "domino theory" of the Cold War will occur. Instead of one democratic gov't falling causing more to fall, one more liberal democratic government rises & then more follow.

Liberalization includes the advocation of a state governed by the people, a gov't elected by the people, & an economy of free trade without government actors that exploit their country's natural resources for their own gain. Essentially liberalize control over economy which spreads the wealth of a country's natural resources among the people.

What Rumsfield, Bush, & the Western gov'ts are genuinely attempted to do is integrate the world as one liberlized democracy & economy where all countries are interconnected & eventually the sovereignty of the "nation-state" (even the USA) yields the a higher int'l authority following the rules of economic prosperity for example: (Which I'll post later)

Destruction of Islamic fundamentalists, War on terrorism, search for oil, disarmament of Iraq, are all faulty reasons to advocate the one greater ideal, that has quite a vision for the future. But one of positivity & a collective prosperity for the world.

I'm sure there are a million & a half arguments to demonize the US & our gov'ts & their political actors which would make this idea seem futile.

But I just wanted to present this vision of the future so people may at least know of it & consider it.

I mean THERE IS a h*e*ll of a lot the governments of the world do not tell the people of the world what their true goals are, they are REALLY EDUCATED & STUDIED in these matters & it wouldn't be too bad to...
just for a moment...
Consider maybe they do have a plan for the future & these pithy events are simply stepping stones to its realization???

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