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Topic: What's Wrong With Being Liberal?
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 4782 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 09, 2004 08:23 PM
No offense intended, but I'm just curious why Republicans proudly state that they are conservative, while many Democrats run from the term "liberal"? Kerry vehemently denies that he is another "Liberal from Mass." He's farther left than just about anyone currently in American politics (even more so than Kennedy), so why is he so scared to be called a Liberal? Can someone enlighten me? ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Motherkonfessor unregistered
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posted February 09, 2004 11:09 PM
I have wondered the same thing, Randall.....Perhaps because the public, fueled by the verbiage of the media, equates liberal with.. choose your poison...... spendthrift, immoral, god-less, commie, tree-hugging, lazy, unpatriotic, socialist, Clinton, anti-war, anti-American, so on and so forth ad nauseum. I dont get it either. Maybe its the correlation that right=God and left=Devil. Something as simple and erroneous as that can leave a lasting impression in one's psyche. For whatever reason, currently liberal equals evil in politics, regardless if its fact that a Republican dominated Congress and White House are spending money the next 3 generations dont have. Its all propaganda anyways. It just saddens me how so many people believe it. IP: Logged |
Harpyr Newflake Posts: 0 From: Alaska Registered: Jun 2010
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posted February 09, 2004 11:36 PM
Here, here motherkonfessor...You took the words right out of my mouth.*edit* (p.s. Or should it be "hear hear"?) IP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 80 From: Atlanta Registered: May 2009
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posted February 10, 2004 04:13 AM
In the Spirit of Linda ...Liberal contains A LIE, A LIAR. Conservative? TO SERVE, A VOICE, and many, many others.  IP: Logged |
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posted February 10, 2004 04:33 AM
Perhaps the problem is not with the ideals of liberalism, or conservatism...but with the parties of Reps and Dems, and the fact they are ALL charlatans and liars.....hey, Ra? Tis a good point you make...... Republican also contains LIAR ......ooh, these would be FUN to lexy!! Thanks Ra for inspiring me!! I bet someone has already done it tho... A RELIC, A PUBLIC LIAR....i get it now..... IP: Logged |
Blazini unregistered
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posted February 10, 2004 05:37 AM
Motherkonfessor hit it right on the nose. Among humanity, those who are truly seeking division are the politicians. Politicians control business. And business is what moves the world. What we have here is a failure to communicate between ourselves. We must teach the truth by any means possible. It is the only way to succeed.  IP: Logged |
grayheart unregistered
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posted February 10, 2004 12:53 PM
Politics is a dagerous road to travel. I don't care what affiliation you are, you cannot deny that the vast majority of politicians regardless of party are so corrupt, that they barely qualify as humans anymore. There is no honor in politics, there is not trust in politics. People do not get elected on their ideals anymore, they get elected based on who can do less damage. There has not been a candidate up for election on any balot in the last fiteen years at least whom I would consider a good candidate. Politics as become synonimous with lies/deceict/theft/bribery and various other negative acts. We will not see a positive change happen as the result of someone getting elected for quite some time. The only way we are going to see a positive change happen is if WE the PEOPLE demand that change and force them to listen to us, instead of us just accepting what they tell us. I am usually the last person to enter into a political debate, but the way things are going, I think more people are going to need to speak up, or it will get worse. It is my personal belief that one of the major problems with politics is the whole idea of the political parties. Throughout the past there have always been two strong parties and several smaller ones. The main parties try to convice the people that they will do good, when in fact they couldn't care less about helping the people, They only care about their own pockets and their own agendas. Politicians make promises all the time, often promises that it is not even possible for them to keep, often they never even intend to try to keep them. If I thought I could turn my back on politics and not look back, I would, but If I do that it will only enable them to cause more damage. Bickering about which party is better than the other is pointless because they are all full of $#!7. (Pardon the language) The only thing that matter is what we are going to do about it. Personally I am tired of trying to choose between the lesser of evils. I for one would like to see someone who actually deserves to get elected run for a change. I would like to see someone who has the integrity and honor not to bow to big business influence, not to yield to party opinion. I want a candidate who is not afraid to be an individual, I want a candidate who will stand up for what THEY believe, Heck, if there was a candidate who was passionate about HIS/HER own beliefs and would not bend to pressure form other sources, I would vote for them over any of our current candidates or any of the past ones even if their beliefs were different from my own, for the simple fact that at least I KNOW they will do what they said. I would rather have someone in office who has different goals than mine but believes in what they are doing, than some one who claims to have similar beliefs but is only in it for the money/fame/power. I would rather have someone who thinks for thems-elf than a party candidate anyday.IP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 80 From: Atlanta Registered: May 2009
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posted February 11, 2004 04:59 AM
I feel your frustration, greyheart.  hey, MotherK? Tis a good point you make ...  IP: Logged |
uriel203 unregistered
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posted February 11, 2004 03:27 PM
Whats wrong with being liberal? here, I'll let some other popular speakers explain why.... "Liberalism poisons the soul and destroys character." -Rush Limbaugh
The National Socialist program replaces the liberalistic conception of the individual by the conception of a people bound by their blood to the soil -Hitler "The liberals are fundamentally people who are lawless...They don't believe in virtue" -Rush Limbaugh "The battle against liberalism never ends. It's a daily battle for dominance." "Evidence refutes liberalism." -Rush Limbaugh "Bismarck once declared that liberalism was the pacemaker for social democracy...It is essential that one should sweep away all those forces which consciously abuse human weaknesses in order with their help to carry into execution their deadly schemes...This confession of faith, the confession of faith of an individual, through my effort has become the confession of faith of a mighty organization....We must accordingly wage our battle without any compromise whatsoever against the force which has eaten at the heart of our German people during the last seventeen years, which has inflicted on us such fearful injuries and which, if it had not been conquered, would have destroyed Germany And I do not need in this place to say that social democracy is the pacemaker for communism. But communism is the pacemaker for death - the death of a people - downfall. WE HAVE BEGUN THE FIGHT AGAINST COMMUNISM AND WE SHALL WAGE IT TO THE END -Hitler "I think liberals…within the area of idea, they are the enemy are to be defeated politically." "Peace does not mean the absence of war." "Communism Kills." "The greatest threat to humanity lies in the USSR." -Rush Limbaugh "There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction .... or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago. Here, too, there can be no compromise -Hitler "Unless we all buy this notion of conciliation and compromise our beliefs so as not to offend anybody for the purpose of getting along, Then we're talking defeat and that's what I am here to prevent." -Rush Limbaugh We can go as loyally as a dog with those who share our sincerity, but we will pursue with fanatical hatred the man who believes that he can play tricks with this love of ours. We cannot go with governments who look two ways at once, who squint both towards the Right and towards the Left. We are straightforward: it must be either love or hate. -Hitler
"Peace cannot be achieved by developing a "understanding" with the Russian People." -Rush Limbaugh "Liberalism is totally emotion-based…the most gutless choice you can make. -Rush Limbaugh So the Left neither can nor will help. On the contrary, their first lie compels them constantly to resort to new lies. -Hitler "The poor liberals…these people live in a constant fog. They lie to themselves all the time." -Rush Limbaugh "We always look for the motivations of liberals: They have to try. They have to gin themselves up with certain things. They lie to themselves constantly. They never lose, you understand. They're never rejected. There is always some excuse for it." -Rush Limbaugh note (Gustov Stresemann was a hardworking and honest politician(winner of the nobel peace prize) who had the respect of many overseas political leaders. he used this respect to great effect and ensured the economic stability of the nation of Germany. "Only look at these parties and their leaders, Stresemann and the rest of them. They are indeed not dangerous. They never go to the roots of the evil: they all still think that with forbearance, with humanity, with accommodation they can fight a battle which has not its equal in this world. Through gentleness they think that they must demonstrate to the enemy of the Left that they are ready for appeasement so as to stay the deadly cancerous ulcer through a policy of moderation.No! A thousand times No! Here there are only two possibilities: either victory or defeat!" -Hitler "(Liberals) are not to be gotten along with, because you can't....there's no getting along with them" -Rush Limbaugh "The last thing liberals can deal with is reality. You have to understand.Everything to them is a mirage. Reality must be ignored. Excused. Explained away. Analogized, somehow. Because reality is to be missed. You're not supposed to see it. It's just amazing." -Rush Limbaugh "Their religion is liberalism. God to them is the state. Their religion is politics and any views that are in contrast to that are heretical." -Rush Limbaugh and here Hitler explains that when he uses the term socialism,he's NOT refferring to the left, but to right wing nationalistic patriotism
'National' and 'social' are two identical conceptions. It was only the Jew who succeeded, through falsifying the social idea and turning it into Marxism, not only in divorcing the social idea from the national, but in actually representing them as utterly contradictory. That aim he has in fact achieved -Hitler and finally this ones not really relevant but i thought they went well together
"I am convinced that it is one of the most unjust wars that has ever been fought in the history of the world. Our involvement in the war in Vietnam has torn up the Geneva Accord" -Martin Luther King Jr. "When Americans oppose America, it is not always courageous and sacred; it is sometimes dangerous." -Rush Limbaugh
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pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 11, 2004 04:27 PM
So you are equating conservatives, namely Rush Limbaugh, to Hitler? LOL.... IP: Logged |
Harpyr Newflake Posts: 0 From: Alaska Registered: Jun 2010
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posted February 11, 2004 05:39 PM
damnn...I think Rush's statements frightened me more than Hitler's.  I knew he was into bashing liberals but I honestly haven't heard or read any of his actual quotes until now.. I am speechless. ........ Talk about hate-mongering. No WONDER so much of our time is wasted arguing left/right dichotomies... With guys like this out there fostering such divisions and fanning the flames.. Don't get me wrong, I know there are people on the left who do the same thing but I mean ..wow. I don't even know what to say. And yes.. I do see similarities between Limbaugh and Hitler but I'm willing to admit some of that could just be a projection of my utter horror that is instilled by reading Rush's words..  Honestly, I get the feeling that he would be happy to lock treehuggers like me up in a camp somewhere..
It was interesting to read his quotes and imagine he's actually talking about himself.. I mean the dark shadow parts of himself that he's blind to. We all have them. The part where he's talking about how liberals lie to themselves.. Well the way I see it, it's the conservatives like him who are regularly lying to themselves. Like telling themselves that global warming isn't real even though every scientist except the ones with $ on their brain can see that's it's not only real but it's happening. The lie to themselves, telling themselves it's perfectly normal for iceburgs the size of New Jersey to break off of Antarctica. Look, I'll be the first to admit that I lie to myself about some things..I try not to but I don't doubt that I do this. Everyone does. It's just a matter of degrees. This Rush fellow.. he's living in some freaky nightmare world.. completely enshrouded in a cloud of his own lies. How sad.  IP: Logged |
Motherkonfessor unregistered
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posted February 11, 2004 09:26 PM
As if the words of a hypocritical drug addict and a genocidal maniac are even worth paying attention to. Good grief. Why not throw in some quotes by Strom Thurmond and Jerry Falwell too?IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 11, 2004 11:23 PM
Well, I'll certainly buy into the fact there's blatant hypocrisy here.Fact are so inconvenient to the liberal left aren't they? Let's see, Limbaugh has unrelenting pain from an injury and seeks medical assistance. Physicians prescribe pain medication which he takes. In time, he becomes addicted to the medication. In the eyes of the leftists who despise Limbaugh, that makes him a drug addict. Of course, that term is applied to those who by choice of action become addicted to cocaine, crack or heroin. Same thing, RIGHT? Of course they conveniently excuse JFK who visited "Dr. Feelgood" regularly by not mentioning him in the same context. And of course, we wouldn't want to mention the leftist icon Bill Clinton who according to no less an authority than his brother Roger Clinton, "has a nose like a vacuum cleaner" and never once released his medical records---like the other Presidents who held the office. In fact, Commander Corruption fired the White House physician to make sure his drug abuse didn't become public. Yep, whole lot of hypocrisy going on here. So, what else is new? IP: Logged |
QueenofSheeba unregistered
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posted February 12, 2004 01:32 AM
To answer the original question, there's nothing wrong with being liberal, but there are a lot of people *rush limbaugh ann coulter bill o'reilly* who spread anti-liberal slander. Of course, there are also people who spread anti-conservative slander. In my town, conservatives are a picked-on minority.... all except the Governator. But wait, he isn't really conservative anyway. So, lets revise that to: in my town, conservatives are so unpopular that they have to become social liberals to win anything.jwhop- technically, pain killers are a drug. You yourself admit that Limbaugh was addicted to them. Therefore, he is a drug addict, which is very ironic considering all the things he is supposed to have said against them. You see, we "lefties" don't despise Limbaugh for being a druggie... we despise him for bashing his own kind. So sorry, but aren't the facts a little inconvenient to you? btw: You're the first person to bring JFK into this. PS- Randall, I am sooo ready to delete this post if someone takes it badly.  ------------------ Hello everybody! I used to be QueenofSheeba and then I was Apollo and now I am QueenofSheeba again (and I'm a guy in case you didn't know)! IP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 80 From: Atlanta Registered: May 2009
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posted February 12, 2004 04:12 AM
That's funny, I always noticed more similarities between Hitler and Hitlery Clinton.  I wish I could find some of those quotes! IP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 80 From: Atlanta Registered: May 2009
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posted February 12, 2004 04:49 AM
... good ole Google!" ... the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation" - Hitler, 1933 "We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society." Hillary, 1993 
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 12, 2004 06:59 AM
Facts are my friend QS.From what I've heard, Limbaugh doesn't bash people addicted to drugs. Bashing is not the same thing as commenting that drug use is illegal, self destructive and counter to the best interests of society. At least the kind of drug use normally connected to the term when it comes up. Anything you'd like to argue about that? I haven't heard of Limbaugh excusing himself for his addiction. From what I've heard, he takes responsibility for his own actions, says it was wrong and took the initiative to solve the problem by getting treatment. Now, liberals would play the victim, it's not their fault, it's societies (our) fault, it's societies (our) problem and society (we) needs to take care of it and not them. That's right QS, I brought JFK into the discussion because he suffered from back pain too----and because he used prescription drugs to alleviate it over a very long period of time. So, you tell me QS, what is the difference between prescribed drug use for JKF and Limbaugh? BTW, drug abuse isn't a term I would use to describe taking prescribed medication to relieve pain------they are not illegal substances. Heroin, Cocaine and Crack are illegal substances all the time. Liberals biggest problem with Limbaugh is that he has their number.  IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 12, 2004 07:08 AM
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uriel203 unregistered
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posted February 12, 2004 07:30 AM
actually i was equating that slavering nazi extremist Hitler with Rush Limbaugh. i see he's tricked Pidaua into calling him a conservative lol and btw oxycontin IS heroin I dont know if they had it in jfk's time thoughIP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 12, 2004 08:35 AM
Chemically, Oxycodone/OxyContin is C18H21NO4•HCl. Heroin is C21H23NO5Both opiates and Oxycodone/OxyContin is sometimes called the poor man's heroin or hillbilly heroin but that doesn't make it Heroin.
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uriel203 unregistered
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posted February 12, 2004 10:27 AM
OxyContin is being abused at a rate many law enforcement officials describe as epidemic it has EXACTLY the same effect as heroin when crushed up and snorted,but i'm SURE Rush would NEVER do THAT...IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 12, 2004 10:50 AM
You did say OxyContin IS Heroin, didn't you?Heroin is a water soluble power that's usually injected. Sounds like you know a lot more about how Oxycodone is abused than I do.  So, are you alleging Limbaugh crushed Oxycodone and snorted it like Cocaine? Or are you playing a Reporter who's basic principle is that if you don't know something is false, you feel free to speculate that it's true? Or is this comment a product of your crystal ball? If the latter, before you take your act on the road, please tell me, did the cow really jump over the Moon?
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uriel203 unregistered
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posted February 12, 2004 12:29 PM
i concede jwhop you are absolutely correct...i was wrongthe difference between oxycontin and heroin is like the difference between vodka and whiskey....  IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 12, 2004 01:02 PM
Actually, you are right in that Heroin and OxyContin share a common base. And I would even agree the similarity between the two is similar to alcohol---provided OxyContin is associated to 80 proof Whiskey and Heroin is associated to 190+ proof white lightning. Or something like that  It's also right that OxyContin is a timed release drug and that crushing or powdering the pill is warned against because it hits the system all at once taken that way. Given Limbaugh's money, I doubt he gets or got his kicks that way though.
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Harpyr Newflake Posts: 0 From: Alaska Registered: Jun 2010
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posted February 12, 2004 01:22 PM
I don't give a rat's a$$ about this silly drug debate. What I care about are the ugly hate-filled things that Rush says.jwhop, do you subscribe to all the same beliefs that Rush is quoted to have said in this thread? Really, honestly, truly???? IP: Logged | |