posted October 11, 2004 02:23 PM            

"I don't know why I ever came to America".
"I don't know why I ever married an American".
"Twice"
"Shove it", to a reporter who asked her about her statement that those who criticized John Kerry were "UN-American".
"Scumbags", a reference to some unidentified Americans.

We've already had one activist First Lady who attempted to install herself as co-president with the attending Clinton White House scandals. Most of us don't want another, laying aside the fact that Teresa is a crude parody of a First Lady, who would rather be some place other than the United States to begin with. Go Teresa.

posted October 11, 2004 02:32 PM            

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Make no mistake, I'm no Kerry fan either [] ... or even a Democrat, for that matter.

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LS
Since all your efforts seem directed towards enhancing the Kerry image by tearing the President down, should I put on a little hypocrisy music just for you?

Or, do you attribute your efforts to being fair and balanced?

*Edit*

LS, that's an interesting contrast you make between BJ's and war. Clinton gave us both. War in the Balkans where Clinton bombed for 78 straight days, blew up a pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan, killing thousands...according to Christopher Hitchins, a luminary on the left and let's not forget all those cruise missiles launched at Iraq during the Clinton administration.

posted October 11, 2004 03:15 PM            

We could have had some interesting discussions about the relative merits of the candidates, the Bush administration, the Bush policies, etc., and I suggested....several times that we leave off the personal attacks on the President and concentrate on the issues and policies...to no avail.

Now, there is a moral to this little story and that moral is to not start a firefight when you're outgunned and then whine when you start taking some direct hits. Isis, Pidaua, StarLover, Lioneye and others have posted some devastating information directly refuting the assertions made here, information they backed up...not empty rhetoric as is the habit of those against the President. For their trouble, they were themselves attacked...personally. Which is not a good strategy by those who cannot take what they love to dish out....as they soon found out.

There were attempts to shut everyone up who is not part of the Bush hating crowd. One such attempt revolved around an allegation that the dark forces of evil were at work on this site, i.e., demon possession, you know, minions of Satan.

So, speaking only for myself Mirandee, your point this forum is nothing but a Kerry bashing forum is not well received.

posted October 11, 2004 03:24 PM              

I'd still rather see Nader in office than Kerry... but that's not an option.

I feel the need to balance out your bias, that's all.

posted October 11, 2004 03:53 PM              

After all this time you still equate "Bush hating" with "America hating"? Please refrain from this nonsense or I shall be forced to label you a reactionary. I subscribe to few of President Bush's policies and yet I love my country heart, mind and soul. Please try to prove otherwise. In addition, I will be so bold as to state that there are others on this website who share the same seemingly contradictory opinion.

Don't like Bush/love America. Take deep breath. Repeat. If you sit quietly and listen to your heart I feel confident you will be able to understand this most subtle of concepts.

as always, lots of love

posted October 11, 2004 04:20 PM            

My case against John Kerry is based on facts, facts on the historical record going back 30 years and not a product of bias. I come to beliefs with Mercury in Virgo, I think, I analyze, I sort, I sift and relate. The Kerry record is clear. There is much about Kerry I did not post here because it contained obvious error, factual error that tainted the conclusion the writer put forth.

What I might personally "feel" about either Bush or Kerry is not a factor. Politicians hold no emotional appeal for me.

The facts, indisputable facts, show that Kerry has fought against the United States all his adult life, taking positions against the best interests of this country and it's citizens. He's still doing it and because he did and is, I'm dead set against a Kerry Presidency but that is not a product of bias, unfairness, unjust partiality or prejudice.

posted October 11, 2004 10:39 PM            

However, it was instructive to read the comments when I recently asked what people loved about America. No one mentioned the form of government, no one mentioned the economic system, no one mentioned the system of laws, no one mentioned economic opportunity. In fact, there were few comments at all.

On this site, I have heard every denunciation of America, it's form of government, it's economic system, it's legal system and economic opportunity served up. America is arrogant, imperialistic, socially unjust and oppressive, you name it and I've heard it...this from Americans. While people lose their lives trying to get here every year for the very things a lot of Americans wouldn't lift their fingers to uphold or defend. These are the America haters I was talking about.

If they ever decide the pastures are greener elsewhere, no one I know will miss them.

Well TINK, cute isn't one of the attributes most would attribute to me. Thanks, though I fear I'm flying under a false flag of your construction and perhaps LibraSparkle's too, who wonders if I'm not a nice guy.

Anyway, I did miss you here and didn't know what happened. To me, it just looked like you suddenly disappeared. Glad you're back.

posted October 12, 2004 12:45 AM              

I mean... sure.. you antagonize... but so do I.

I've liked you from the first conversation we've had, JW.

You are what you are... I am what I am.

I still love ya just the same. AND, I'd never want you to stop being the way you are. I get a huge kick out of you. You make me laugh, often. Also, (I know I've said it before) you make me think. I might not always (or even often) come out of it agreeing with you... but you still made me think.. ya know?

I absolutely appreciate your presense here (in GU) even if we don't agree. If we all agreed all the time, the world would be awfully boring.

posted October 12, 2004 06:58 PM              

Glory be to God! Did everyone hear that? "Miracle shall follow Miracle and Wonders shall never cease"

Jwhop, where is this thread? You went searching for America's top ten most favored traits and no one stepped up to the plate? Hard to believe. Point me in the right direction and we'll make a list together, big guy. Having recently visited Europe, I've got plenty to offer.

posted October 12, 2004 11:33 PM            

Well, if we both come out of our discussions thinking a little instead of feeling about issues, then that's a step in the right direction...at least on the kinds of issues we discuss here.

So, are you saying your husband gets you all fired up before you get here?

posted October 12, 2004 11:46 PM            

I'd be interested to hear your ideas since you just returned from abroad....perhaps you should start your own thread...might be really interesting.

OK "moderate", you're on

posted October 13, 2004 03:20 AM              

Both liberals and conservatives love America. It's just that conservatives love America with a child-like love. That's an all accepting love that says that mommy is always right about everything and I should never question her.

Liberals love America with an adult love. They love the good things about this country but point out the bad things that are messing it up so that the country can grow and be a better country. Just like in an adult love relationship where you love and accept each other but help each other grow as persons by pointing out the things that are messing up the relationship then attempt to work them out.

posted October 13, 2004 11:32 PM              

I hate the polititian... not the man. Although, I suspect we wouldn't get along well. I don't care to know the man. I only care to vote his lyin' arse out of office.

posted October 14, 2004 12:16 AM            

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Lie cheat steal, lie some more

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posted October 24, 2004 08:18 PM            

Imagine telling women homemakers they don't have a "real job". This from a woman with servants to supply her every wish.

Sunday, Oct. 24, 2004 2:21 p.m. EDT
Heinz Kerry Called Political 'Disaster'

Her remarks early this week criticizing First Lady Laura Bush for never having "a real job" show that Teresa Heinz Kerry is a political "disaster," two of John Kerry's biggest media supporters said Sunday.

"Let me just say the obvious," former New Republic editor Andrew Sullivan told NBC's "Chris Matthews Show." "She is a disaster."

"I vote with Andrew," Newsweek correspondent Howard Fineman quickly added. "Listening to talk radio in Ohio [this week], that's all they were talking about, Teresa Heinz."
The negative assessment came after both Sullivan and Fineman offered predictions that Bush was in trouble in key battleground states. For months Sullivan has openly backed Kerry on his daily blog

While disagreeing that Heinz Kerry was a disaster, NBC's Andrea Mitchell acknowledged that her remarks sounded like "a put-down of little people."
http://www.newsmax.com/r/?http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/will/s_264984.html