posted July 01, 2005 11:30 PM              

OMIGOD. Are you almost acknowledging me? OMIGOD. I'm so nervous now.

I don't think I talk out of both sides of my mouth. Do you really think so? I'll consider it though. Anything's possible. In the meantime .... I never said I was a conservative republican, so disagreeing with their official stance shouldn't earn me that nasty "talking out of both sides of your mouth" label. It's true that I don't like Kerry - and I didn't vote for him - but traitor is a strong word. I notice that many of us tend to use extreme words and have extreme opinions when they're not necessarily called for. I think maybe you're quick to call him a traitor because he's a leftist and you think all leftists are traitors at heart. Could that be? Because I notice that, yet again, this has become an argument about republicans and democrats, rather than a discussion about the facts or a peaceful exchange of opinions.

ps I've not the slightest idea about Jackson or Simpson. I don't think I'm on record as having said anything at all about them. However, if I were speaking to a ranking member of the KKK, who was expressing his belief in Jackson's guilt, I would probably suspect that his opinion was based not on the facts, but on his own prejudices.

(hint, hint)

pps About Bill and whoever it might be at the moment ... kings f*ck servant girls. Always have, always will. Democrat kings and Republican kings too. Why are we getting our panties in a bunch about this?

believe it or not, still a really big fan
tink

posted July 02, 2005 12:31 AM              

He here alludes to that memorable exclamation of Mr. Henry, now become almost too familiar for quotation: "Caesar had his Brutus, Charles the First his Cromwell, and George the Third ('treason !' cried the speaker; 'treason! treason!' echoed the house) may profit by their example. If this be treason, make the most of it."

http://www.colonialhall.com/jefferson/jefferson.php

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Thomas Jefferson on treason

posted July 02, 2005 04:44 PM            

I didn't say you were a Republican...or Democrat; nor is party affiliation a factor in talking out of both sides of one's mouth. Neither did I say you have ever made any statements about the guilt or innocence of Jackson or Simpson. Others have, however. You cautioned me about throwing accusations, about Kerry, around lightly. My point was that others expressed opinions about both Jackson and Simpson's guilt; in Jackson's case before the trial and in Simpson's case after acquittal by a jury, without similar caution from you

These conversations/discussions are not about Democrats and Republicans per se. They are about differing political philosophies and their source. In the case of leftists, which make up the bulk of the modern Democrat party, the source of their philosophy is Karl Marx. Further, Marxist political and economic theory is in direct conflict with the US Constitution and the two cannot be reconciled.

One may have an "opinion" about whether there's an afterlife, whether there is reincarnation, whether X action will produce Y result. One does not need to have an "opinion" as to whether 2+4=4. In the case of John Kerry, one does not need opinion to determine what treason consists of, it's spelled out in a very legal document. Nor does one need to exercise opinion to determine what actions Kerry took after he returned from Vietnam; that's documented. In exactly the same way the criminal code sets forth specific actions as a crime and also sets forth specific punishment, the Constitution sets forth the specific actions for the commission of treason and the punishment therefore. Kerry's actions are documented and they constitute treason.

Now, one may exercise an "opinion" as to what should be done about Kerry's treason, ranging from "nothing" to stripping Kerry of his office and decreeing he never hold any office of the United States.

posted July 02, 2005 05:11 PM            

Let's look at what Jefferson said. Jefferson was talking about actions against the government being treason but actions against government oppression of it's citizens being virtues.

I agree with that, however Kerry, an American citizen, was not protesting against US government oppression of America citizens. Kerry was protesting against US actions against a foreign enemy and Kerry did much more than protest. Kerry met with representatives of the Viet Cong and the North Vietnam government...in Paris, more than once. Kerry was not a member of any US delegation and had no authority to met with anyone representing an enemy. Specific law prohibits such meetings, it's a felony. It also violates the UCMJ in that Kerry was a reserve officer at the time. But Kerry did more than that. Kerry was a member of a group with connections to America's enemy, North Vietnam, which directed...in that they made suggestions on how to protest and what should be said. That group also discussed and voted on a plan to assassinate US Senators. But Kerry did more than that. Kerry took the enemies terms for peace and promoted them over the peace terms offered by the United States government. All those actions are treason. Any one of those actions IS treason.

So, finding myself in agreement with Jefferson and accepting Jefferson's statement: Treasons then, taking the simulated with the real, are sufficiently punished by exile. Do you wish to notify Kerry he is exiled, or do you wish to leave that to me? Since Kerry has a preference for France, perhaps Kerry should be sent there to tell Chirac how to govern France.

posted July 02, 2005 07:00 PM              

Jwhop! How the helluva ya been, old boy? Kings, presidents, prime ministers, blah blah blah. It's all the same in this situation. But to satisy you, dear man, I shall rephrase. Men in power f*uck servant girls. Better?

No, you didn't accuse me of making statements about Jackson or Simpson. You asked if I had. I answered. I thought it went well, all things considered.

Marxism, in many ways, is in direct conflict with the our precious constitution. As TP would say, "DUH". Of course since we're on the topic, greedy, power-mad, capitalist pigs and fanatical, fascist, religious bullies are also in direct conflict with the US Constitution. What's your excuse?

(In the interest of fair play and with the memory of many wasted lives in mind, I feel the need to point out here that had you lived under the wretched rule of the Tsars, Marxism might very well have seemed the best possible option to you too.)

On to Kerry Although I've no doubt you have studied the matter far more than I, I stand by my theory that your judgement is maybe a bit unreliable due to your apparent inability to do nothing but tow the company line. I say that with all due respect.