posted June 21, 2005 08:53 PM              

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I know Clinton has all the values leftists embrace...rape, adultery, lying, sexual assault, perjury, subornation of perjury, obstruction of justice, bribery and treason but those values appall most Americans.

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Jwhop, wake up. I don't know if this was an attempt at humor, but if it was, it was cheap and silly. If it wasn't, well then, maybe that's how you like to view everyone who doesn't share your ideologies, but if you seriously believe that is true, then you are seriously looking at the world through a seriously screwed up pair of glasses.

posted June 21, 2005 09:26 PM            

I don't particularly care who Clinton kisses as long as he's not the President of the United States. As for why I would care about what he did when he was President, a man who would so casually betray his wife by committing adultery would betray anyone, including his own country...which he did.

And I don't particularly give a flip what you might think about that. I've heard it all before that it didn't interfere with his job performance as President and that may be true. It's possible Clinton would have missiled the pill factory in Sudan...even if he wasn't trying to get Monica's picture and story off the front pages of America's newspapers on the day she was to testify before the grand jury.

But it certainly is revealing when people come out to defend his absolute corruption and corrupt acts.

posted June 21, 2005 09:33 PM            

You weren't seriously attempting to tie Reagan and Bush to a homosexual prostitution ring...now were you?

posted June 21, 2005 10:44 PM              

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Well alchemiest, I would say the picture DayDreamer posted establishes beyond doubt it was Commander Corruption "Bill" in the flesh lip locked with the woman in the picture.

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Well jwhop, his face isn't really seen clearly enough in that picture to identify him as Clinton, so in my opinion, it establishes nothing beyond doubt.
Regardless, why does it matter?

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I don't particularly care who Clinton kisses as long as he's not the President of the United States. As for why I would care about what he did when he was President, a man who would so casually betray his wife by committing adultery would betray anyone, including his own country...which he did.

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Hmmm... one's personal and professional lives are two mutually exclusive things. Other presidents in the past (Jefferson, for example) have been highly promiscuous and yet are considered to have been good presidents. The connection you draw between 'betrayal of wife' and 'betrayal of country' is unfounded and unsound. At best, it is a personal opinion, nothing more.

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And I don't particularly give a flip what you might think about that. I've heard it all before that it didn't interfere with his job performance as President and that may be true. It's possible Clinton would have missiled the pill factory in Sudan...even if he wasn't trying to get Monica's picture and story off the front pages of America's newspapers on the day she was to testify before the grand jury.

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Jwhop, you 'may not give a flip' about anything I have to say, but please bear courtesy in mind when you post. I am being civil towards you, and it would be nice if you could extend the same courtesy towards me.
Again, your connection between the pill factory and Monica is speculation. It is your personal opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

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But it certainly is revealing when people come out to defend his absolute corruption and corrupt acts.

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What corruption and corrupt acts are you referring to, and where is their defense presented? I see no evidence of either.

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BTW, are you identifying yourself as a leftist?

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No. Why do you ask? Would it affect your perception of me if I were a leftist (as opposed to a rightist or an uppist or a downist, I suppose?) If it would affect how you view me (insofar as that is possible in this context) and how you interact with me, again I ask, why?

posted June 21, 2005 11:04 PM              

it doesnt matter you'll just deny it all anyway.....bush sr was just blissfully unaware of everything that ever happened right under his nose right?

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The author John DeCamp, who uncovered the scandal, was a successful state senator in Nebraska for 16 years and a decorated Vietnam War veteran. He practices law in Lincoln, is married and the father of four. His book shut down Omaha's Franklin Community Federal Credit Union and its manager, Lawrence E. King, Jr., the Republican activist who rose to notoriety and riches from associations with power figures from Nebraska politics and business to Washington D.C. The story broke in June 1989 on the front page of the Washington Times, headlines blaring: "Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush" and "Call boys took midnight tours of the White House." Bonacci stated he was one of those boys.

It all strangely predates recent events. Jeff Gannon/Jim Guckert, who may be Johnny Gosch, somehow managed to gain press credentials (both a hard pass and a day pass) to the White House over a period of two and a half years without any flak from the Secret Service or FBI. Gannon (or whatever his real name) may have also gained a pass to the president's upstairs bedroom, just as Bonacci a generation earlier was able to draw the setup of the inner bedroom of George H.W. Bush, not publicly known information, to justify his claim that he and other boys had relations with Bush senior.

Cover-Up and Schmitt tell us the The New York Times and Washington Post reported that Washington lobbyist Craig Spense arranged the White House tours for teenage, male prostitutes back then, and was about to go public with the story in order to blackmail high-level beltway politicians. Ironically, he committed suicide before he could do so. Ouch.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/042105Mazza/042105mazza.html

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posted June 21, 2005 11:16 PM              

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jeff gannon, jeff gannon? Oh right, Jeff Gannon. Very interesting guy who actually asks questions in the press corp briefings which have some connection to reality. --jwhop

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squaaawk!!

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posted June 21, 2005 11:58 PM              

The Walters report continued: "On December 19, 1988, Nelly was
contacted and voluntarily came to the FBI offices on December 30,
1988. She was interviewed by [FBI agents] Brady, Tucker and
Phillips...in September or October, 1984 when Lisa was 14 she went to
Chicago with Larry King and 15-20 boys from Omaha...She indicates she
attended a party in Chicago with King and the male youths. She
indicated George Bush was present...she sat at a table at the party
wearing nothing but a negligee. She stated George Bush saw her on the
table. She stated she saw George Bush pay King money and Bush left
the party with a nineteen year old black boy named Brent. Lisa said
the party Bush attended was in Chicago in September or October 1984.
The Chicago Tribune of October 31, 1984 said Bush was in Illinois
campaigning for congressional candidates at the end of October."

Bush 41 surfaced again in Lowe's May, 1989 review of reports by
Thomas Vlahoulis from the state attorney general's office: "Sorenson
told Vlahoulis that both Kimberly and Nelly [Webb] brought up the
name of George Bush and indicated that they had both met him..."

In spite of four polygraph tests administered by a Nebraska state
trooper who said he was convinced Nelly was telling the truth, a
Washington country, Nebraska judge in December, 1990 ignored Julie
Walter's 50-page report, numerous debriefings of the girls by foster
care officials and youth workers stating the sisters told the truth--
specifically about George Bush Sr., and dismissed all charges against
their foster parents Jarrett and Barbara Webb, who Nelly and Kimberly
said had allowed them to be abused.

posted June 22, 2005 12:02 AM            

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Oh wait... is that really even Bill? [](An even better question is, who cares?)

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It really is no one else's business, now is it?

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This is not a matter of any importance, but just a childish attempt on your part to demean someone you do not like (from what I can gather). It may be construed as offensive by others, including 'Hill'

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As for 'Hill' caring, are you 'Hill'? If not, why do you feel the need to post something like this? Yes, she probably cares and is affected by these allegations (whether or not they're true... I wouldn't know), but that is her private affair. It is rude to add to the rumors and hype, especially for a purpose as petty as yours seems to be.

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Nobody 'embraces' such values (except perhaps the seriously disturbed).

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Well jwhop, his face isn't really seen clearly enough in that picture to identify him as Clinton, so in my opinion, it establishes nothing beyond doubt.
Regardless, why does it matter?

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Hmmm... one's personal and professional lives are two mutually exclusive things. Other presidents in the past (Jefferson, for example) have been highly promiscuous and yet are considered to have been good presidents. The connection you draw between 'betrayal of wife' and 'betrayal of country' is unfounded and unsound. At best, it is a personal opinion, nothing more.

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Again, your connection between the pill factory and Monica is speculation. It is your personal opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

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posted June 22, 2005 12:17 AM            

Bush Sr. is a closet homosexual and since there was some connection with the Reagan White House, Reagan probably was too?

So that must mean W might be too? Do you think Cheney is too?

Oh, and how about that Larry King..King of CNN? King the pimp?

You've got me Petron, I haven't heard a word about this. I thought Rather tried to paint Bush Sr as having had an affair...with a woman.

posted June 22, 2005 12:18 AM              

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The Chinese Army Spy and Condoleezza Rice

Charles R. Smith
Wednesday, Jan. 24, 2001

The Chinese Army Spy and Condoleezza Rice

Charles R. Smith
Wednesday, Jan. 24, 2001

Condoleezza Rice, national security adviser to President Bush, has recently granted an interview to virtually every reporter but me. Perhaps it is because I keep asking her questions about the Chinese spy in her past.

Rice has impeccable credentials. She worked for the elder George Bush in the White House, handling Russian issues. She is a distinguished fellow at the Hoover Institution and former provost of Stanford University. Rice is very close to former Clinton Secretary of Defense William Perry. Rice worked with Perry and the Clinton administration during her term at Stanford. The Clinton White House once mentioned her as being on the short list for secretary of state.

Yet it is her years at Stanford working with Perry that have rendered Rice silent. While working at Stanford, she became involved in the most successful Chinese army penetration of the Clinton Defense Department. She will not answer questions about her relationship with Chinese spy Hua Di.

In 1997, Stanford professor Lewis was charged with using university funding and equipment to set up the deal with Galaxy New Technology. Stanford Provost Condoleeza Rice announced that Lewis faced an investigation because he had used iniversity stationery and his office to run the joint U.S-Chinese business. In the 1997 investigation, Rice issued a statement to the university press.

"We'll follow what is a normal process under these circumstances," said Rice in the 1997 interview. "Similar issues arise quite frequently. It's not all that unusual that issues arise concerning conflict of interest."

Yet, no formal charges were filed, and Rice quietly dropped the investigation against Lewis and Hua Di. To this day, Ms. Rice will not answer why she stopped the investigation.

In 1997, Rep. Henry Hyde pressed Attorney General Janet Reno to investigate the Galaxy New Technology scandal in a letter outlining his concerns. According to Hyde, "in 1994, sophisticated telecommunications technology was transferred to a U.S.-Chinese joint venture called HUA MEI, in which the Chinese partner is an entity controlled by the Chinese military. This particular transfer included fiber-optic communications equipment, which is used for high-speed, secure communications over long distances. Also included in the package was advanced encryption software."

The end of this story is not very pretty. Stanford officials, including Rice and Lewis, have openly appealed to the Chinese government for Hua's release. Rice also continues to defend Hua.

Rice stated in a New York Times interview that Lewis "provided evidence to the fact that the source materials for publications written by him and Mr. Hua were provided by approved Chinese authorities or already were available through the Stanford University library."

Yet, Rice will not talk about Hua Di and the Galaxy New Technology deal. There was more than profit for Hua and the Chinese Army company packed with electronics experts. The secure fiber optic communication system delivered by Hua to his People's Liberation Army general buddies was modified in 1998 and now serves as a secure air-defense system exported to Iraq.

The current Iraqi air defense network, NATO code-named "Tiger Song," is made of U.S. and French fiber optic parts modified and re-exported by the People's Liberation Army. Tiger Song is based on the original secure AT&T system obtained by Hua Di in 1994. Iraqi missiles guided by Tiger Song have repeatedly attacked U.S. fighter jets.

According to an August 2000 Washington Times interview, Rice asserted, "China is not a threat."

Tiger Song is considered a lethal threat to American and allied armed forces. Such sweet irony that we now face our own weapons and they are not a threat.

Still, all seems to be well between Beijing and Bush. Condoleeza Rice is national security adviser to the president, and the Chinese Army again has a "matchmaker" inside the White House. Just don't ask her about Chinese army spy Hua Di.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/1/23/203153.shtml

posted June 22, 2005 12:50 AM            

First, how do they know Hua Di was a Chinese spy? And second, if he was a Chinese spy, why were they trying to get the Chinese government to release him...why was he in custody in China?

Beyond all that, I have heard of the system and it's transfer...also that it had been sold to Saddam. Didn't do him much good, as I can't recall any US jets being shot down as a result. I do remember lots of radar installations being destroyed when they turned their radar on to track American jets patrolling the no fly zones.

posted June 22, 2005 01:00 AM              

you paint a picture where bush sr was just blindfoldedly feeling his way around the whitehouse while major scandals went on all around him but he wasnt responsible.....or involved...

i always thought it was reagan stumbling around unaware....while bush sr directly administered to everything....but thats just my theory......

lawrence e king was a black republican activist in nebraska who embezzled millions from his bank and was one of the ringleaders of the prostitution rings.....it was his victims that senator decamp stood up for.....these kids said they couriered drugs for king and performed in "parties" where they saw george bush sr....
and other officials and businessmen from both political parties........

i tend to believe at least some of what they said might be true.......decamp believed them....

so jwhop....would you vote for michael jackson? after all he hasnt been convicted of anything......right?

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Whatever the truth about Jackson's guilt, a California jury delivered the only opinion that counts when they found him not guilty. Which is not at all the same thing as declaring him innocent of the charges.--jwhop

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posted June 22, 2005 01:06 AM            

Talk show host Sean Hannity broke the media censorship of the details of the new book by Edward Klein, "The Truth About Hillary."

But one of the nation’s top conservative talkers said the book had ingited a "huge controversy" and that even he was under enormous pressure to cancel his planned interviews with Klein for his ABC syndicated radio program and Fox News TV show.

"I've had more political pressure than I've ever had in all my years in radio," Hannity said to Klein after a blockbuster 90-minute interview with the controversial author. [Get your copy of this book – Click Here Now]

Hannity did not elaborate on the source of the pressure to cancel the planned appearance.

Nor did he apparently buckle to the pressure, explaining to his radio audience, "We deal in controversy - that's what we do here."

"I've got to tell you," Hannity told Klein midway through the interview. "Do you know the number of requests I've had to cancel you and not have you on this program? I think it was higher than any guest or controversial author we've had on this program."

"I've never in the history of this program had more demands to cancel the guest," Hannity reiterated.

But Klein quickly interjected to say that the Clinton public relations machine had successfully pressured other radio and TV outlets to cancel interviews with him.

"A number of people who have booked me on TV and radio have already canceled," Klein said. "And the reason they've canceled is because the publicity machine of the Clintons is hard at work."

On both his TV and radio shows, Hannity openly worried that the new book may backfire on conservatives since it deals with sensational personal and sexual allegations against the former first lady that he argued were not worthy of political debate.

Klein, a veteran journalist and author who has spent four decades in the media world, including major editing jobs at the New York Times and Newsweek, said he had set out to write a biography that captures Hillary’s flawed character, not a political work about her.

Asked if the effort to silence him hasn't made him "afraid," Klein told Hannity: "If I weren't concerned, I'd be nuts."

"I'd be crazy," he said, adding, "Because the Clintons have a well-established career reputation of smearing other people. And I know they're out to get me and I know they're going to do everything in their power to get me."

posted June 22, 2005 01:23 AM              

a shot from the side can look like a kiss when theyre just trying to talk in a crowd.....

posted June 22, 2005 01:25 AM            

Let me repeat for emphasis, I have no intention of running my posts by you for approval prior to posting. As in the past, I intend to post what interests me. In this case, a picture of Clinton kissing a woman in public is nothing more than a continuation of his past bad behavior. If it makes you hot, you're going to have to ignore my posts or learn to live with it.

If anything, my posts are over documented and I don't make things up...or need to. The loony antics of the left are on full parade...in the press, on TV and on the Internet.

posted June 22, 2005 01:32 AM              

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If anything, my posts are over documented and I don't make things up...or need to.--jwhop

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There is no bigger elitist in the US Senate than John Kerry and few less qualified for the Senate. In more than 20 years in the Senate, Kerry has never once authored one piece of legislation that became law.--jwhop

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FACT CHECK: When Bush said Kerry "passed five" bills, he was counting five bills Kerry authored that passed the Senate, the House, were signed by the president, and became law. That's technically accurate but omits six other pieces of Kerry legislation that have become law. The Bush campaign's backup lists five bills, which we verified:

* S.791: $53 million for grants to woman-owned small businesses. (1999)
* S.1206: Names a federal building in Waltham, Massachusetts after a Medal of Honor winner. (1994)
* S.1636: To reduce the incidental taking of marine mammals during the course of commercial fishing (1994)
* S.1563: Funding the National Sea Grant College Program (1991)
* S.423: Granting a visa to a refugee. (1987)

The Bush campaign left out two bills authored by Kerry:
* H.R.1900 (S.300): Awarded a national day of recognition to Jackie Robinson (2003)
* H.R.1860 (S.856): Increased research grants for small businesses from $500,000 to $750,000 (2001)

posted June 22, 2005 01:33 AM            

The second picture was posted by DayDreamer, the same scene but snapped a monemt before or after he kissed her and it's obvious it's the same woman, it's Bill Clinton and it's the same setting.

posted June 22, 2005 01:45 AM            

Point Petron, I didn't make it up. If I were going to make something up, I would be much more creative. You've accused my of that before and I don't appreciate it. I read extensively and remember what I read. If I read or see something, then post the information here...even it turns out later that the source was wrong, that doesn't mean I made it up.

I suggest you get off that kick Petron. The search engine is working now and be assured, I can go back and "fact check" everything you've ever said here...if you want to play that game.

posted June 22, 2005 01:57 AM              

go ahead and fact check me jwhop.......

while your at it provide a link that factchecks your new one....

"Bush hit Kerry with the charge in the debate that Kerry hadn't authored legislation in the Senate"

or did you just make that up just now?

posted June 22, 2005 02:20 AM              

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Just How Many Bills Has Kerry Passed?

Bush said Kerry passed five bills. Kerry said he's passed 56. Who's right? That depends on the definition of "passed" and "bills."

October 15, 2004

Modified: November 8, 2004

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At the final presidential debate, Bush said Kerry had passed only five bills during his career, and Kerry said he had passed 56. Actually, we found eleven measures authored by Kerry have been signed into law, including a save-the-dolphins law, a law naming a federal building, a law giving a posthumous award to Jackie Robinson last year, and laws declaring "world population awareness weeks" in 1989 and 1991.

Bush counted only measures technically defined as "bills," leaving out four "joint resolutions" that also have the force of law, and he also omitted two laws whose House versions were adopted in a form nearly identical to Senate versions authored by Kerry.

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He introduced some 300 bills and he's passed five.--Bush

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