posted January 23, 2007 12:23 PM            

For instance Blue, you could have actually read the articles and comments on this thread before commencing your yipping, yapping and shrieking about a subject you know nothing about. But that's not the leftist way.

If you had bothered to do so, you would have found a wealth of articles published by true scientists who refute the man made global warming bullsh*t spewed by the global warming crackpot scientists and refute the BS theory with solid science.

You would also have found the fact that the UN censored their own scientists report which said...

And the deceit knows no bounds. The United Nations released a report at the end of 1996 saying global warming was a fact, yet before releasing the report, two key paragraphs were deleted from the final draft. Those two paragraphs, written by the scientists who did the actual scientific analysis, said:

1. "[N]one of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases."

2. "[N]o study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to ... man-made causes."

This is the article you could have found...if you had the cognitive ability to simply read what went before...before you began your yipping and yapping.

(Al Gore does not believe in) The Sun of God
Posted: June 19, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Who, besides Al Gore, would be surprised that Mars' ice caps are shrinking? And how about this: Jupiter is brewing up new, monster, hurricane-like storms because of measured increases in Jovian temperatures. Why is it I don't believe "greenhouse gases" are at fault?

Here's the deal, one of God's great creations – the Sun – is going through another one of its on-again, off-again solar cycles. Sometimes it burns a little brighter, other times it emits a little less energy. The result? Every planet in our solar system either gets a little warmer or cooler depending on our sole energy source. The massive furnace in the center of our solar system is pretty consistent, but it isn't perfectly constant.

Earth's scientists have determined that every globe, I mean, every planet, in the solar system is currently experiencing a warming trend – including Earth. I was surfing the Internet recently and came across two fascinating articles from Space.com. The first headline reads, ''New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate Change.'' Here's what planetary scientists have discovered...............
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50701

That would have lead you to yet another article which blows up the entire theory of man made global warming. Not something leftists would want to see. Content in their little world of flatline brain activity are they. Besides actual thinking probably hurts.

Water Vapor Rules
the Greenhouse System

Just how much of the "Greenhouse Effect" is caused by human activity?

It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account-- about 5.53%, if not.

This point is so crucial to the debate over global warming that how water vapor is or isn't factored into an analysis of Earth's greenhouse gases makes the difference between describing a significant human contribution to the greenhouse effect, or a negligible one.

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many "facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activites contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.......

You can read the rest of the article here...and see the charts/concentrations of various greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

posted January 24, 2007 12:27 AM              

maybe if you didn't seem so arrogant every time you posted then people wouldn't term you things like 'idiot', do they? 'cause i don't know, to tell the truth i don't pay that much attention to you, but i do love your passion, on whatever it is,

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posted January 24, 2007 12:45 AM            

Jwhop is even stupider than president bush.

"America is on the verge of technological breakthroughs that will enable us to live our lives less dependent on oil. These technologies will help us become better stewards of the environment — and they will help us to confront the serious challenge of global climate change."

--George Bush, taken from last nights state of the union address

So you see people of global unity? Even our dolt of a president recognizes something that Jwhop doesn't. I'd hate to say where that puts you on the intelligence scale, Jwhop.

You know what it means when you're one of very few people who believes something is true? A conspiracy theorist.

posted January 24, 2007 01:09 AM            

Now for some reason Neptune, I'll just bet you haven't asked Algore if he's a scientist.

I'll bet you haven't required that standard from any of the leftist morons of the press who have picked up the man made global warming cause and pursued it like the Holy Grail.

So, what's up with asking me?

Now Neptune, do you actually have anything of merit to contribute to the discussion of global warming....or, is this just another example of someone being on a (one) side of an issue with nothing to back up their opinions...except hot air?

Questions Neptune. If the sun is warming every planet in the solar system; why isn't the sun also responsible for increased warming on the Earth?

If CO2 represents only about 3% of the greenhouse gasses in our atmosphere and only a small percentage of that 3% is man made...and water vapor is a far more effective trapper of heat..ie, a greenhouse gas and water vapor represents more than 95% of all greenhouse gasses in our atmosphere...then Neptune, why isn't evaporation from ocean warming by the sun's increased radiation output..at a 300 year peak level..why isn't that additional water vapor in the atmosphere responsible for the warming we're experiencing?

Why was it hotter on earth in the Medival Warming period...about 1000-1400AD than it is now?

Why was the decade of the 1930's warmer than it is now?

Did you actually bother to read through this thread?

Apparently Blue Roamer didn't either.

Generally, I'm not much concerned with what people think about me. This is not a touchy-feely forum and getting to the truth of issues is much more important..especially on an issue where morons want to virtually shut down the United States and spend more than the entire Gross Domestic Product of the United States attempting to fix something that's not even broken.

posted January 24, 2007 01:19 AM            

So are you just ignorant...or are you intellectually challenged?

posted January 24, 2007 01:15 PM            

I think it is a combination of both. It is too easy for BR and others to call people idiot morons but when asked to provide data / facts in order to support their statements they run. BUT.. as usual they will look for any opportunity to misinterpret posts in order to give them justification to call names and point fingers. It seems that the core of the twit club can't stop their hypocritical ways LOL... I keep cracking up every time one of them jumps on my for making a joke or simple remark. LOL.... Hell, if I said I hated and squashed bugs you know they would pop out calling me a horrible bug murderer LMAO....

Meanwhile this global warming is freezing my rear off.... We had 9 inches of snow on Sunday and freezing temperatures at night for the last week or so. In fact, since December 19th we have had 3 significant snow falls - IN Southern Arizona.

Snow slams region: Fort Huachuca and most schools shut down; roads affected

By Bill Hess

Herald/Review

LATEST NEWS (Monday night, Jan. 22) AFFECTING THE FORT AND U.S. FOREST ROADS: Continued severe winter weather affecting the Sierra Vista area has caused Fort Huachuca officials to delay work start until 9 a.m. today, according to post spokesman Maj. Matt Garner.

The late start is for all non-essential military and civilian personnel. All mission-essential military and civilian personnel will report to work as directed by their commander or supervisor, he said.

Additionally, the Fort Huachuca Accommodation Schools will start classes at 9 a.m. as well, Garner added.

School staff are to be on site at 8 a.m., to support student drop off and school busses will run on a one-hour delay, he said.

The Fort Huachuca Child Care Facilities will open at 8 a.m., Garner said.

Additionally, the Commanders Access Channel 97, or local radio and television stations will provide updated information, the spokesman said.

For more information, call the Fort Huachuca Emergency Information Hot Line at 538-INFO (4636) for updates as conditions may change, he said.

Also, according to federal officials the following roads are either closed or have limited access:

- Carr Canyon is closed to traffic beginning at the U.S. Forest Service entrance at the bottom.

- Traffic going to Montezuma Pass at the Coronado National Memorial is limited to four-wheel drive vehicles.

Sunday night’s and Monday morning’s snowfall canceled work on Fort Huachuca, stopped commercial flights at the Sierra Vista Municipal Airport, closed county offices as well as public schools in Bisbee and the Tombstone district and other facilities in Bisbee and Sierra Vista and caused the late delivery of mail in many areas.

Forecast

A spokesman for the National Weather Service office in Tucson said while snow in much of Southern Arizona was to end 5 p.m. Monday, Cochise County could expect a continuation of snow showers through this morning.

And, the potential for icy road conditions in the county remain high, because the low temperatures Monday night and this morning will be in the 20s, said Tucson NWS spokesman Mike Schaffner.

Even the highs for today probably only will be in the 30s, he added.

There is also a possibility, which Schaffner called slight, that the low front over Cochise County could stall, creating conditions for additional snow.

As for an extended forecast through the weekend, the lows will be below 32 degrees, although daytime temperatures will slowly climb from the 40s to the 50 and possibly into the low 60s by the weekend, Schaffner said.

As for Tucson, Sunday’s and Monday’s snow was the most measured there since 2002, he said.

The amount measured in parts of Cochise County varied with Bisbee having between 8 and 9 inches from the overnight storm, to Tombstone with 6 inches and the Sierra Vista/Fort Huachuca region getting between 2 and 4 inches, Schaffner said.

“With more snow showers hitting in the Sierra Vista area the amount could increase by an inch or two,” he said.

The possibility of rain being part of the mix will make the roads more dangerous, the spokesman said.

And, there is a possibility of fog in low areas, which will impair vision for drivers, he said.

The overall picture is driving will be dangerous.

and extreme care will have to be taken, Schaffner said.

Road closures

One reason the roads are dangerous is because many communities in Arizona do not have salting or sanding equipment, Schaffner said.

Sierra Vista City Manager Chuck Potucek said the city has no snow plows, and if they’re ever need for local streets, he has to call state authorities.

“We do have a bulldozer if we’re in a pinch,” Assistant City Manager Mary Jacobs said.

The Public Works Department does have sand for iced roads, and machines to spread the sand around, Potucek said.

“It has to be pretty bad for the city to shut down because we’re the ones that have to provide the services,” he said.

City staff and meetings kept moving, while non-essential personnel at the fort had the day off Monday.

Fort Huachuca closes

Most people who thought they were going to have a slight delay in reporting for work on Fort Huachuca Monday found out they got the whole day off.

Initially the word was put out the work day was to begin at 10 a.m. and as that time approached, and snow continued to fall, the majority of those who work on post were informed not to show up.

The post’s schools, which also were to start at 10 a.m., were closed for the day, giving students the opportunity to forgo the learning process and to instead engage in making snowmen and throwing snowballs.

Due to lack of equipment to remove snow and ice off of the Libby Army Airfield runways on Monday, the two Great Lakes Airline flights in and out of the Sierra Vista Municipal Airport were canceled.

A spokeswoman for the airline said today’s morning arrival and departure flights are canceled, but the afternoon ones are expected to arrive and depart.

Mail delivery delayed

Sierra Vista Postmaster Myra Ridgway said poor road conditions from Tucson to the city caused mail delivery trucks to arrive later than usual.

Carriers were sent out around 10 a.m. after the mail in the first two trucks were processed, she said.

The mail on the third truck, which arrived around noon, will be delivered today, Ridgway added.

None of the mail received Monday could be taken to the fort’s post office because the post had closed entrance to the installation to all except those who live on the fort or were considered essential employees, she said.

The roads between Tucson and Sierra Vista had a number of accidents and other incidents, Ridgway said, noting she was told by law enforcement officials there had been 52 accidents on the roads between Sierra Vista and Tucson Monday morning.

Bisbee postal officer in charge Pam Campbell-Vinson said her carriers were behind in making deliveries for the same reason the Sierra Vista postmaster outlined by the Sierra Vista postmaster.

Both women said it was going to be around 5 p.m. Monday before home deliveries would be concluded.

SV schools stay open

The only public school system open in the Sierra Vista Herald/Bisbee Daily Review readership area Monday was Sierra Vista’s. Assistant Superintendent of Schools Bill Roach said he and the district’s transportation manager investigated the bus routes around 5 a.m. Monday and decided the busses could safely be operated.

While some may think because Monday was the 100-day count, which the state uses to disburse funds, it was not the reasons for having the schools open, he said.

There is a process for districts to seek relief if schools have to close, the assistant superintendent said.

Sierra Vista does not have any snow days built into its schedule, and that means any days schools are closed have to be made up, Roach said.

With an enrollment of approximately 6,800 students, he said “there was a higher number of absences than usual (on Monday).”

This morning he plans to be up by 3 a.m. and once again will review the bus routes with the transportation manager, he said.

Bisbee blanketed by heavy snow; many travelers take refuge there

By Shar Porier

Herald/Review

BISBEE — As huge snowflakes fell Sunday night, many travelers found they needed to get off the roads because of the extensive snow that covered roads throughout the county.

Reportedly, 4 to 12 inches fell in the area, with the greater depths at the higher elevations.

Harris Rosenberg, Bisbee Visitors Center, said people traveling in RVs and with fifth-wheels sought refuge wherever they could, including Bisbee.

“Basically, a lot of people are spending the night here. Mule Pass was closed last night through this morning. It was extremely slick last night from the snow and ice,” Rosenberg said.

“But, the town looks like Switzerland. It’s beautiful. It’s something to see.”

On Monday most people who had checked in to Bisbee hotels and bed and breakfasts just stayed put because of the possibility of icy road conditions as temperatures dropped in the late afternoon Monday.

“They know how bad it is to travel in weather like this. It’s a lot safer to stay put. All this slush is going to become ice,” he added.

The road crews of the City of Bisbee were called out Sunday evening at 10 p.m. and worked all night to clear off the streets they could with the limited resources.

Stephen Pauken, city manager, explained that there is only one piece of equipment the city has that can clear roads and that’s the grader. The city does not own a snowplow and neither does the county. Employees of the street department drove the dump truck and the spreader to get something on the roads once they were clear.

One of the materials the city uses is asphalt millings and that source was gone by Monday morning.

“It’s a recyclable product. It provides good friction and becomes part of the pavement after a while. We also use sand. I really don’t know how much we put down last night, but it was a lot,” he said, Monday.

The process of clearing the city was slow according to Caroline Gonzales, street department.

“It was coming down really hard last night and the guys had a rough time in spots. Ice had started forming everywhere around the city,” she said on Monday. “Then this morning (Monday) at 6:30 a.m., all seven employees were out trying to do what they could.”

The Bisbee Police Department was also out and about coordinating the effort with the snowplows and road closures.

“We were fortunate there were no accidents during the snow. But there was really only light traffic last night,” Sgt. Harris Gardner said Monday. “Patrols helped the plows all night.”

There was no information available about if accidents occurred on Monday.

Highway 80 from Tombstone to Bisbee was closed by ADOT Sunday night and reopened around 10 a.m. Monday, he noted.

According to Pauken, the state was concentrating efforts on I-10 and Highway 92 in Cochise County.

“They have to prioritize and use their snowplows where they’re needed the most we asked for their help on 92 and 80, but ADOT couldn’t get to 80 until this morning (Monday). They had their hands full, and so did we,” Pauken said.

Bisbee crews managed to clear some of the streets of Old Bisbee, including Tombstone Canyon, but work could not continue to the smaller streets.

“There was just nothing we can do for people with snow on the side streets. We just can’t get our trucks around on some of those streets. The best thing people could do in some instances was just stay off the roads. If it looks to slick too drive, the best advice is don’t,” Pauken added.
http://www.svherald.com/articles/2007/01/23/local_news/news5.txt

Brrrrrrrrr.......

posted January 24, 2007 03:30 PM            

It seems these crackpots are always looking for a calamity to befall the world and if there isn't one...they are overjoyed to invent one.

Still, the global warming crackpots have some utility. They provide some comic relief on days when everyone is freezing their rears off.

Yeah Pid, I've driven through that part of Arizona in the winter. You have to get up in the high mountain passes south of Tucson on 10 or north in the Flagstaff area to find snow. On the floor of the desert...no snow, no cold...just pleasant temps in the winter...except at night...and a nice change of pace from the torrid temps of the summer.....until GLOBAL WARMING reared it's ugly head to freeze everyone's rear end off.

posted January 24, 2007 03:32 PM              

quote:

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Now for some reason Neptune, I'll just bet you haven't asked Algore if he's a scientist.

I'll bet you haven't required that standard from any of the leftist morons of the press who have picked up the man made global warming cause and pursued it like the Holy Grail.

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good look jwhop, and i did think about that much before i asked you if you were a scientist, but of course i don't say all of my thoughts and you don't know of all that i do,

quote:

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Now Neptune, do you actually have anything of merit to contribute to the discussion of global warming....or, is this just another example of someone being on a (one) side of an issue with nothing to back up their opinions...except hot air?

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and yes i do have much to offer this forum and thread, you see, theres a certain way that humanity likes to live, and when your conditioned to live a certain way, your life choices and experiences are passed on to your future generations, and when a person is living a life he's pleased with, as long as physical circumstances and the enviornment near that person is not seemingly threatened, then the person will careless about the consequential effects of their lifestyle, and, jwhop, that is what is happenening with global warming. It is the analyzation of the past realities in our enviornment that we've created, the present day relationship between humanity and the earth (which ultimately holds the responsibility of sustaining some of the most fruitful beings in the universe), and how our future will proceed throughout our thoughts, actions and decisions based upon our centuries past is the only way to finding a tangible solution to this 'nightmare'.

jesus, jwhop, like i said earlier, you come off a bit arrogant, and please don't assume that just because i didn't mention anything about global warming before, that i have nothing to offer on the subject, and i only posted once, and really just don't assume.

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"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis

posted January 25, 2007 02:40 AM            

quote:

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Potter: I think there’s pretty broad consensus among scientists that humans leave their mark, unmistakably, on our climate, on our landscape, on our oceans and the cycling of the greenhouse gases that affect climate. Is it as much as half of the effects we see now? Possibly. But it depends on the strength of certain large climate events. Like an El Nino can come along and just change everything, and we don’t know if humans are impacting that or not. During some years, our effects are amplified, and other years, nature takes over again.

I like to think we have options to decrease our footprint. But we are locked into a certain amount of effect, because the greenhouse gases we’ve emitted have a long lifetime in the atmosphere – decades and centuries – and it’s very expensive to remove them.

I think we’d like to find ways of repackaging our effects in a way that provides the developing world, or other parts of the world, with other models for decreasing their footprint effect on the planet. We can lead by example in the US. There’s no doubt about it.

It’s not too late yet. We’ve got time to act. But time’s a-wasting. We should do what we can to maximize the way we help people to live more prosperous lives, but in a way that minimizes our footprint on the atmosphere and the biosphere. After all, that's where we live, in that interface.
http://www.earthsky.org/article/christopher-potter-interview

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Dr. Christopher Potter is currently a NASA Senior Research Scientist in the Ecosystem Science and Technology Branch at Ames Research Center. He holds a Ph.D. and a Master's degree in forest ecology from Emory University. He came to NASA in 1990 as a National Research Council (NRC) Associate. He and his colleagues were awarded NASA's Public Service Medal for development of the first computer model for global ecosystem exchange of all major biogenic trace gases with the atmosphere. Potter has been a NASA Science Team Member on the Large-Scale Biosphere-Atmosphere Experiment in Amazonia (LBA-ECO I and II), EOS Interdisciplinary Science (EOS-IDS) , Intelligent Data Understanding , NASA's Astrobiology Institute, the Boreal Ecosystem-Atmosphere Study (BOREAS), and Land Surface Hydrology. He is the author of over 50 peer-reviewed journal articles and book chapters.
Christopher Potter ( 650-604-6164 )

cpotter@mail.arc.nasa.gov

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Report Has 'Smoking Gun' On Climate

POSTED: 8:53 am PST January 23, 2007

WASHINGTON -- Human-caused global warming is here, visible in the air, water and melting ice, and is destined to get much worse in the future, an authoritative global scientific report will warn next week.

"The smoking gun is definitely lying on the table as we speak," said top U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, who reviewed all 1,600 pages of the first segment of a giant four-part report. "The evidence ... is compelling."

Andrew Weaver, a Canadian climate scientist and study co-author, went even further: "This isn't a smoking gun; climate is a batallion of intergalactic smoking missiles."

The first phase of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is being released in Paris next week. This segment, written by more than 600 scientists and reviewed by another 600 experts and edited by bureaucrats from 154 countries, includes "a significantly expanded discussion of observation on the climate," said co-chair Susan Solomon, a senior scientist for the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. She and other scientists held a telephone briefing on the report Monday.

That report will feature an "explosion of new data" on observations of current global warming, Solomon said.

Solomon and others wouldn't go into specifics about what the report says. They said that the 12-page summary for policymakers will be edited in secret word-by-word by governments officials for several days next week and released to the public on Feb. 2. The rest of that first report from scientists will come out months later.

The full report will be issued in four phases over the year, as was the case with the last IPCC report, issued in 2001.

Global warming is "happening now, it's very obvious," said Mahlman, a former director of NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab who lives in Boulder, Colo. "When you look at the temperature of the Earth, it's pretty much a no-brainer."

Look for an "iconic statement" — a simple but strong and unequivocal summary — on how global warming is now occurring, said one of the authors, Kevin Trenberth, director of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, also in Boulder.

The February report will have "much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place," Rajendra K. Pachauri told the AP in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel.

An early version of the ever-changing draft report said "observations of coherent warming in the global atmosphere, in the ocean, and in snow and ice now provide stronger joint evidence of warming."

And the early draft adds: "An increasing body of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on other aspects of climate including sea ice, heat waves and other extremes, circulation, storm tracks and precipitation."

The world's global average temperature has risen about 1.2 degrees Fahrenheit from 1901 to 2005. The two warmest years on record for the world were 2005 and 1998. Last year was the hottest year on record for the United States.

The report will draw on already published peer-review science. Some recent scientific studies show that temperatures are the hottest in thousands of years, especially during the last 30 years; ice sheets in Greenland in the past couple years have shown a dramatic melting; and sea levels are rising and doing so at a faster rate in the past decade.

Also, the second part of the international climate panel's report — to be released in April — will for the first time feature a blockbuster chapter on how global warming is already changing health, species, engineering and food production, said NASA scientist Cynthia Rosenzweig, author of that chapter.

As confident as scientists are about the global warming effects that they've already documented, they are as gloomy about the future and even hotter weather and higher sea level rises. Predictions for the future of global warming in the report are based on 19 computer models, about twice as many as in the past, Solomon said.

In 2001, the panel said the world's average temperature would increase somewhere between 2.5 and 10.4 degrees Fahrenheit and the sea level would rise between 4 and 35 inches by the year 2100. The 2007 report will likely have a smaller range of numbers for both predictions, Pachauri and other scientists said.

The future is bleak, scientists said.

"We have barely started down this path," said chapter co-author Richard Alley of Penn State University.

Copyright 2007 by KTVU.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. http://www.ktvu.com/globalwarming/10823421/detail.html
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Where's the NASA report on the whole solar system warming up?

Here's another article with another NASA scientist talking about global warming: http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20070110/NEWS/101100053

Here's NASA's global warming links page: http://gcmd.nasa.gov/Resources/pointers/glob_warm.html

Here's an article and video from NASA:

"The animation shows a one-year cycle of the monthly average Arctic sea ice concentration followed by the mean September minimum sea ice for each year from 1979 through 2004. A red outline indicates the mean sea ice extent for September over 22 years, from 1979 to 2002. The minimum Arctic sea ice animation clearly shows how over the last 5 years the quantity of polar ice has decreased by 10 - 14% from the 22 year average."
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003100/a003181/index.html

Here's another one from NASA that shows how (man-made) pollution travels to our icy regions and inhibits the ice's ability to reflect solar radiation. Instead it absorbs the radiation, which heats our planet. http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a010000/a010000/a010023/index.html

posted January 25, 2007 12:32 PM            

So here sit enemies of Western Civilization...biitching and moaning about the civilization built up painfully, step by step by billions of people going back thousands of years. Yes, thousands of years...because much of our law...equal justice...and much of our ethics, including ethics about work, risk, skills and knowledge adopted over the centuries come from the near and far past.

So, they sit in front of computers they don't understand and could not duplicate, using technology they don't understand, eating food they did not produce and could not, in houses they could not build...let alone stock with the technology they enjoy every day..like electricity, TV, air conditions/heating, being transported from place to place in cars they don't understand...even the basics and could not produce..and they whine, moan, biitch and wet themselves.

They sit at the current pinnacle of Western Civilization..if they live in America and they would change it...if they could...to make it better, they say. Most or all the things they enjoy on a daily basis come from or came from Western Civilization.

But, ours is a competitive society where knowledge, hard work, ideas and risk are rewarded financially and otherwise. Everyone starts out equal under the law, equal in opportunity and equal in the number of seconds, minutes and hours we are given each day. What one does with their allotted time, the knowledge and/or skills they acquire, the risk they are willing to take to advance/enhance their own situation will determine their outcomes.

But that isn't good enough for the whiners against Western Civilization. No, no, no, that's not good enough for the whiners.

They're not interested in equality of opportunity.

They want equality of outcomes...NOT equality of opportunity which is the cornerstone of Western Civilization.

God, how I would love to hurl these whiners back 3000 years into the past or even 300 years to America's past. A past where most every waking moment was consumed in growing or finding the food to keep them alive another day...or gathering the sticks and stones to build or heat a dwelling to shelter them from the cold...and such other trivial pursuits.

I doubt they could survive a year, yet they whine, moan and biitch about the bounty which has been bestowed upon them by Western Civilization and by all those who went before and very painfully built up the civilization and everything in it.

But Western Civilization is not what they want to pass on to future generations. If they got their way, their children, grandchildren and future generations would curse them for their stupidity because their lives would be dramatically altered and not for the better.

It is entirely fair to call these whiners enemies of civilization.

posted January 25, 2007 02:58 PM            

Or is the expression that it is a myth...an excuse

posted January 25, 2007 03:27 PM            

The things that make opportunity unequal:

- Economic background
- Economic environment
- Family/Roots/Support system
- Race
- People (we aren't equal, so how could our opportunities be equal?)

It's true that given enough motivation and determination two people from vastly different backgrounds can arrive at a similar station in life. That doesn't make their journey equal. One could have all the supporting factors to have made the achievement relatively easy, while the other had to overcome obstacles (for which he or she had no support) at every step of the process.

posted January 25, 2007 07:39 PM              

This is very worrying and it is these people, who live in harmony with nature that are the first to suffer...this is what we should be worrying about I think..

Global warming claims tropical island
January 15th, 2007
For the first time, an inhabited island has disappeared beneath rising seas.

Environment Editor Geoffrey Lean reports

Rising seas, caused by global warming, have for the first time washed an inhabited island off the face of the Earth. The obliteration of Lohachara island, in India’s part of the Sundarbans where the Ganges and the Brahmaputra rivers empty into the Bay of Bengal, marks the moment when one of the most apocalyptic predictions of environmentalists and climate scientists has started coming true.
As the seas continue to swell, they will swallow whole island nations, from the Maldives to the Marshall Islands, inundate vast areas of countries from Bangladesh to Egypt, and submerge parts of scores of coastal cities.
Eight years ago, as exclusively reported in The Independent on Sunday, the first uninhabited islands - in the Pacific atoll nation of Kiribati - vanished beneath the waves. The people of low-lying islands in Vanuatu, also in the Pacific, have been evacuated as a precaution, but the land still juts above the sea. The disappearance of Lohachara, once home to 10,000 people, is unprecedented.
It has been officially recorded in a six-year study of the Sunderbans by researchers at Calcutta’s Jadavpur University. So remote is the island that the researchers first learned of its submergence, and that of an uninhabited neighbouring island, Suparibhanga, when they saw they had vanished from satellite pictures.
Two-thirds of nearby populated island Ghoramara has also been permanently inundated. Dr Sugata Hazra, director of the university’s School of Oceanographic Studies, says “it is only a matter of some years” before it is swallowed up too. Dr Hazra says there are now a dozen “vanishing islands” in India’s part of the delta. The area’s 400 tigers are also in danger.
Until now the Carteret Islands off Papua New Guinea were expected to be the first populated ones to disappear, in about eight years’ time, but Lohachara has beaten them to the dubious distinction.
Human cost of global warming: Rising seas will soon make 70,000 people homeless
Refugees from the vanished Lohachara island and the disappearing Ghoramara island have fled to Sagar, but this island has already lost 7,500 acres of land to the sea. In all, a dozen islands, home to 70,000 people, are in danger of being submerged by the rising seas.

posted January 28, 2007 12:52 PM            

Aside from that fallacious theory, leftists know nothing.

For instance, no one could expect leftists to know the sun is the radiant heat source in this solar system. Without the sun, every planet would be a frozen ball of matter buried under frozen atmospheres laying on the surface.

No one could expect leftists to know the sun is a variable star...get that? The sun is a variable star, a variable star whose radiance varies in cycles which produces more...or less radiant energy which radiates out from the sun and strikes every planet in the solar system.

No one could expect leftists to know the sun is currently in a cycle of high radiant energy output...at a 300 year high.

Though rational people keep telling leftists more radiant heat energy coming off the sun MEANS more of that energy will strike every planet in the solar system and cause warming...to one degree or another, leftists are intellectually incapable of grasping that concept.

No, leftists would far rather believe Jim Hansen, the quack scientist who has already admitted he hyped the man made global warming screeching...in a good cause no doubt...to scare the hell out of everyone. To that end, it was necessary to do away with the Medieval Warming Period and the Little Ice Age to produce a graph showing a 1000 year flat line temperature gradient up until the late 20th Century....the "Hockey Stick Graph.

Leftists would much rather believe the lie than the truth and are genetically disposed to believe any liar who screeches, shrieks and howls long enough or loud enough....especially if that liar is pushing a catastrophe for earth.

Away with Jim Hansen and all the crackpots of the leftist man made global warming hoax.

Now, I asked some reasonable questions; questions which must be answered before any discussion of man made global warming can reasonably be advanced.

How about this.....one...or all leftists here take your best shot(s) at answering.

Until you do, I'm going to continue to think of you as leftists being lead around by your beaks by the "Chicken Littles" of the man made global warming hysteria.

Oh, and it's time the warming nuts stop referring to CO2 as an atmospheric pollutant. CO2 is a naturally occurring substance in our atmosphere and has been for billions of years. Using these kooks rationale, the 21% oxygen content in our atmosphere is also a "pollutant".

These findings were left out of the UN report produced by scientists the UN relied upon to produce the very report man made global warming kooks love to cite. Far from finding a consensus of scientists who say man made global warming exists, is a problem, and must be dealt with; these two findings put the lie to the statement a "consensus" exists among scientists. The UN conveniently excised their conclusions out of the final report. You know....the bureaucrats at the UN know more about the causes of global warming than the scientists who produced the report. Typical UN corruption, lies, distortions of reality...intended to give the UN more control over the lives of every human on earth.

1. "[N]one of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases."

Got that? None of the studies they cite for their report shows "clear" evidence climate changes can be attributed to greenhouse gasses. Got it NOW?

2. "[N]o study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to ... man-made causes."

Do you get it NOW? No study can attribute climate change to "man-made causes.

Sadly, I'm afraid leftists are intellectually incapable of getting that or much of anything else.

Mars Ice Caps Melting http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_snow_011206-1.html

New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate Change http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html

Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles Scientists http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html

posted January 28, 2007 01:58 PM            

You need to get your argument straight. You're contradicting yourself.

Please prove that the temperatures of all other planets are increasing. You stating that you're not going to do my homework for me indicates that you don't have the data to back up that claim.

posted January 28, 2007 02:16 PM            

When are you going to getaroundtoit Blue?

Even the crackpot scientists of the man-made global warming hoax ADMIT the sun is putting out more radiant energy and that it's responsible for some of the warming of the earth.

I've supplied you and the other hysterics here the links to stories of the melting of Mars polar ice caps, giant spots on Jupiter indicating warming of Jupiter's atmosphere and the warming of Pluto...at a time when Pluto is actually moving farther from the sun.

When are you going to take a shot at answering my questions Blue? Simple questions Blue...but the answers to those questions are far beyond your abilities...as long as you droolingly cling to your man-made global warming baloney.

posted January 28, 2007 03:30 PM            

Your stance is not helped by articles that don't mention the Sun as the cause.

The Jupiter article mentions the Sun once. "Some astronomers believe that the spots dredge up material deep below Jupiter's clouds and lift it to where the Sun's ultraviolet light chemically alters it to give it a red hue." That's it. Nothing about the Sun causing global warming on Jupiter.

The Pluto article supposes that the Sun may have something to do with it's temperature fluctuation, however, in the end they say that they really don't know. Elliot added that the process affecting Pluto's temperature is complex. "We just don't know what is causing these effects," he said.