posted October 15, 2007 10:21 PM            

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Date: 2006-05-22, 9:25AM PDT

MYTH 1: The US was founded on Christian principles.

TRUTH:

This is incorrect.
The Constitution never once mentions a deity, because the Founding Fathers wanted to keep their new country "religion-neutral." Our Founding Fathers were an eclectic collection of Atheists, Deists, Christians, Freemasons and Agnostics.

George Washington, the Father of our country, and John Adams (Second President of the USA) CLEARLY stated in the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion.”

G.W. rarely attended church and instead followed a popular 18th century philosophy called Deism—a Star Wars-esque philosophy that believed in a cosmic energy or big-ass universal "Force." The dictionary says that Deism is "a system of thought advocating natural religion based on human reason rather than revelation," that had nothing to do with Christian principles.

James Madison, original mastermind of our Constitution, was an Atheist to the core who loved skewering Christianity. In 1785 he wrote, "What have been [Christianity’s] fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”

Thomas Jefferson, who sat down and authored The Declaration of Independence, rarely missed an opportunity to laugh at Christianity. In a letter to John Adams in 1823, he wrote: "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus…will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."

More ammo: In 1814, Tommy J. wrote about the Bible's Old and New Testaments, "The whole history of these books is so defective and doubtful -- evidence that parts have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds.”

In fact, it was President Jefferson himself who first wrote (to a Baptist church group in 1802), "The First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between Church and State." Therefore, when Jefferson talked about “Nature’s God,” the “Creator” and “divine Providence ” in the Declaration that he wrote, he was being a hippie and referring to a general cosmic energy-- not the Christian God.

America is not a Christian nation. Period. Our Constitution derived from the post-Christian Enlightenment values of reason and truth...never from the paranoid yammerings of that otherwise compassionate cult leader who ******* died in the Middle Eastern desert 3000 years ago.

MYTH 2: US Conservatives tend to be patriotic, ethical Americans; liberals tend to hate America and are immoral.

TRUTH:

Liberals aren't the traitors to America. In fact, conservatives who insist on sending American troops into the Iraqi slaughterhouse to watch some blood-n'-guts "towelhead" ass-kickin' are the traitors. Most of them could care less about our troops, no more than Mao or Stalin cared about the safety of their own soldiers. In the neocons' view, these young boys and girls are expendable test dummies. They're dying for virtually nothing, so that the hicks in the Bush Admin can make good on their campaign promises to their buddies from the petroleum and infrastructure-rebuilding industries. By revving up the Arab threat, these MFs can scream "national security" and "freedom" as smokescreens, while getting their hands on a diminishing resource: Middle Eastern fossil fuels, which power everything from your lightbulbs and computer that you leave on all night, to your stupid gas-guzzler pickup truck.

Pro-war conservatives are the traitors to America. With only 29% of the public approving of Bush's policies now, it took a full 5 years for America to finally wake up in bed next to this disgusting fact.

Do liberals hate America? No, in fact they care so much about the USA that they fight so aggressively to make it better. They're not anti-American; they're just anti-stupidity. Do liberals hate American policies? Sometimes, but only the self-destructive ones that threaten human rights, liberty, democracy, justice, inquiry, excellence and reason-- the values that our country was founded upon.

As for conservative moral superiority? Frauds. Think of the child-molesting priests, money-scamming televangelist preachers, Jack Abramoff's friends in the Bush Admin, gay-hating Jesus lovers, the Christians who beat up the professor who opposed intelligent design, human rights violators like Lynndie England and her Abu Ghraib hick officer pals, Tommy "Scandal-icious" Delay, Scooter "Leaky" Libby, the entire K Street Project meant to hire only Republicans, FEMA's Michael "Yer doin' a heckuva job" Brownie, and so on.

Oh and by the way, conservative Red states have a divorce rate 27% higher than the liberal Blue states, the per capita rate of violent crime in Red states is 49 per 100,000 higher than in Blue states, the top 5 states with the highest rates of alcohol abuse are Red states, and the per capita rate of gonorrhea in Red states was 41 per 100,000 higher than in the Blue states. Time to unshelf the antibiotics for our "ethical," "God-fearing" conservative friends with their "traditional family values."

MYTH 3. The US has a liberal media.

TRUTH:

This is a paranoid Republican myth.
Reality check: the US media is a mix of liberal, centrist and conservative voices. Also, the US media is largely owned by 10 corporations who frequently push pro-conservative agendas to the American public. Evidence:

1. Even Republican Pat Buchanan confessed, "For heaven sakes, we kid about the liberal media, but every Republican on earth does that." Neo-conservative pundit Bill Kristol also said, "I admit it: the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures."

2. A 2005 study in the Quarterly Journal of Economics found that "coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media." Why? Partly because only four major corporate networks control American TV news-- up to 75% of the audience share. The "Big 10" media conglomerates who control the bulk of the entire US media are: AOL Time Warner, Disney, General Electric, News Corporation, Viacom, Vivendi, Sony, Bertelsmann, AT&T and Liberty Media. Yes, we have National Public Radio, but compare its public reach to that of Canada's CBC and the United Kingdom's BBC.

3. Eighty percent of all US newspapers are owned by corporate chains.

4. Liberals are virtually non-existent on talk radio stations nationwide. Rush and Dr. Laura, eat your hearts out.

5. Conservatives are very well accomodated for across FOX News, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Times, the New York Post, the American Spectator, the Weekly Standard, the Drudge Report, the National Review, etc. Even so-called "bastions of liberalism," e.g. the NY Times, MSNBC, WashPost and NPR make a concerted effort to be "fair and balanced" by bringing in right-wing views like those of David Brooks, Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson, Charles Krauthammer and Cokie Roberts to have their say in these forums, respectively. This is in stark contrast to FOX News' claims to unbiased objectivity, which were easily demolished by Robert Greenwald in 2004.

6. Contrary to what some paranoid Republicans claim, most journalists are centrists, not liberals. A representative sample of 141 US journalists and bureau chiefs were asked in 1998, "On social issues, how would you characterize your political orientation?" Answers: Left 30%, Center 57%, Right 9%, Other 5% . Next question, same sample: "On economic issues, how would you characterize your political orientation? " Answers: Left 11%, Center 64%, Right 19%, Other 5%. Also, look at the total number of think tank citations in major newspapers, radio and TV transcripts: Conservative TTs: 7792, Centrist TTs: 6361, Liberal TTs: 1152.

7. Eric Alterman summarizes a 1999 research study from the academic journal Communications Research: "Four scholars examined the use of the 'liberal media' argument and discovered a fourfold increase in the number of Americans telling pollsters that they discerned a liberal bias in their news. But a review of the media's actual ideological content, collected and coded over a twelve-year period, offered no corroboration whatever for this view."

MYTH 4. The US doesn’t need improvement compared to other countries; it is the greatest country in the world.

TRUTH:
Wrong again. I'll only cite the statistics here.

USA Ranking on Adult Literacy Scale: #9
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- OECD

USA Ranking on Healthcare Quality Index: #37
(#1 France and #2 Italy)- World Health Organization 2003

USA Ranking of Student Reading Ability: #12
(#1 Finland and #2 South Korea)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking of Student Problem Solving Ability: #26
(#1 South Korea and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking on Student Mathematics Ability: # 24
(#1 Hong Kong and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking of Student Science Ability: #19
(#1 Finland and #2 Japan)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking on Women's Rights Scale: #17
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- World Economic Forum Report

USA Position on Timeline of Gay Rights Progress: # 6 (1997)
(#1 Sweden 1987 and #2 Norway 1993)- Vexen

USA Ranking on Life Expectancy: #29
(#1 Japan and #2 Hong Kong)- UN Human Development Report 2005

USA Ranking on Journalistic Press Freedom Index: #32
(#1 Finland, Iceland, Norway and the Netherlands tied)- Reporters Without Borders 2005

USA Ranking on Political Corruption Index: #17
(#1 Iceland and #2 Finland)- Transparency International 2005

USA Ranking on Quality of Life Survey: #13
(#1 Ireland and #2 Switzerland)- The Economist Magazine ...Wikipedia "Celtic Tiger" if you still have your doubts.

USA Ranking on Environmental Sustainability Index: #45
(#1 Finland and #2 Norway)- Yale University ESI 2005

USA Ranking on Overall Currency Strength: #3 (US Dollar)
(#1 UK pound sterling and #2 European Union euro)- FTSE 2006....the dollar is now a liability, so many banks worldwide have planned to switch to euro

USA Ranking on Infant Mortality Rate: #32
(#1 Sweden and #2 Finland)- Save the Children Report 2006

USA Ranking on Human Development Index (GDP, education, etc.): #10
(#1 Norway and #2 Iceland)- UN Human Development Report 2005

So much for those "socialist" Europeans and those "backward" Asians, hm?
We can do better than this.

Miscellany:
*Only 18% of Americans own passports and bother to travel outside of the US.
* 85% of US soldiers in Iraq believe that they are there to get revenge for 9/11.
* New international student enrollment in US grad schools has decreased by 6%, because of xenophobic post-9/11 US visa restrictions, jacked-up tuition fees and better educational opportunities in the EU and Asia. So no, not everyone wants to come here anymore, because it's become a land of incredibly limited opportunity, and we've lowered our educational standards.

MYTH 5: The US government loves to help other countries.

TRUTH:
This is a myth. The US government tends to be motivated by interests, not humanitarian principles.

Denmark gives the most amount of its GDP (1.01%) to developing countries; Norway gives 0.91%; the Netherlands give 0.79% and so on until the end of list, where the USA sits. Yes, America ranks DEAD LAST in foreign aid at a pathetic 0.1% of its GDP, compared to the other 21 nations listed as developed nations. The idea that the US government is a heroic bunch that runs around the world helping the poor and the disempowered is not backed up by the evidence. We have one of the stingiest governments on earth.

Most Americans believe the US spends 24% of its budget on aid to poor countries; the actual amount is well under a quarter of 1%. Our country also ranks #5 on asylum-seeker acceptance rates (#1 is Denmark and #2 is Canada).

For you self-congratulatory, redneck-inspired conservative fuckwads who will start to say, "B-b-b-but you're anti-American! M-m-m-moonbat! G-g-g-god bless the USA!" I answer, "Go **** yourself. We can do better." Stop blindly believing everything your president tells you. Come back to us only when you start realizing that the $400 billion your president has allocated to his Roman Empire-style military overstretch could be better spent on correcting the sociopolitical and economic problems in the arenas that I've listed above.

For you liberal **** -heels who will start to say, "Yeah! Right on!" I answer, "Grow some ******* balls." That goes for women and the LGBT community too, and don't call me a sexist either: I'm more than comfortable with being a female, but I believe balls can be useful in situations like these. Instead, stop apologizing for being the "liberal elite," and start championing un-abashed excellence in everything, not mediocrity. Help your reps and senators take back Congress, and stop dithering while the political tides are turning in your favor right now. The conservatives are terrified now; TAKE advantage of that. And don't waste time trying to explain rational things to any homophobic Christians, or hyper-patriotic losers who wave and cheapen our American flag only for a self-esteem buzz, or those testosterone-filled, gullible, culturally-ignorant military recruiter robots who lack even a basic intelligence. THEY CANNOT BE REASONED WITH. They don't understand statistics, elaborate charts, legislative proposals or complicated scientific explanations. Just let them go. Let them go.

In the meantime, stop being SHEEP and get up and do something before some bright and ambitious Chinese, Indian and the European students grow up to be international leaders and make your lazy, self-absorbed kids irrelevant on the world stage.

If this is a reasonable manifesto, click "best of," upper right-hand corner.

posted October 16, 2007 07:30 AM              

Many of the countries The U.S.A. has wars with are listed as Democracies.

posted December 10, 2007 11:50 AM            

Gee, on second thought, I wonder why and how the US has the strongest economy in the world?

I wonder why and how it could be possible for the US to have the strongest military in the world?

I wonder why and how it could be the US is and has been the protector of Europe and parts of Asia? I wonder how we could have all those military bases all over the world.

I wonder why and how it could be people from Europe, South and Central America and Canada come to the US for medical treatment...given the perception our health care is soooo second rate?

I wonder why and how it could be so few people...about 300,000,000 manage to produce the largest gross domestic product of any nation on earth.

I do wonder...with all the cited problems in the US...I really do wonder how all that is possible.

Given all the cited...so called facts...the US should be, at best...a Banana Republic everyone is trying to leave.

posted December 11, 2007 02:11 PM            

Seems I remember a a bio-terrorist attack on the residents of an Oregon town, Dallas...via deliberate introduction of a cultured bacteria into the salad bar..specifically, Salmonella, at a restuaruant which sickened more than 200 residents of the city.

I also remember he pleaded guilty..to something..and agreed to be deported from the US.

Some other charges lodged against his followers included:

conspiracy to murder
wiretapping
attempted murder

Could it be possible Mannu this is the reason for your excretable attack on the United States?

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For you self-congratulatory, redneck-inspired conservative fuckwads who will start to say, "B-b-b-but you're anti-American! M-m-m-moonbat! G-g-g-god bless the USA!" I answer, "Go **** yourself. We can do better." Stop blindly believing everything your president tells you. Come back to us only when you start realizing that the $400 billion your president has allocated to his Roman Empire-style military overstretch could be better spent on correcting the sociopolitical and economic problems in the arenas that I've listed above....Mannu

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If it becomes necessary for me to articulate a response to this juvenile rant Mannu, rest assured I can tell you to go screw yourself in more ways than you might imagine.

posted December 11, 2007 02:19 PM            

I remember the rajneesh Salmonella scandel. It was their intent to make so many people sick that they would not turn out to vote and therefore the Rajneesh would have their candidate win.

posted December 11, 2007 06:54 PM              

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The U.S.A.
is a REPUBLIC....
NOT A DEMOCRACY! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_system_of_government
Many of the countries The U.S.A. has wars with are listed as Democracies.

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I am curious about your statement that many of the countries the USA engages in war with being democracies. None of the countries on that list are "democracies." There are just two divisions: republic and monarchy.

For the curious, here is a little information about the differences between a republic and a democracy, and why the American founders were pro-republic. (Now, whether that was the correct decision is a whole different debate! )

Democracy: The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

Republic: Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general.

Democracy, as a form of government, is utterly repugnant to--is the very antithesis of--the traditional American system: that of a Republic, and its underlying philosophy, as expressed in essence in the Declaration of Independence with primary emphasis upon the people’s forming their government so as to permit them to possess only "just powers" (limited powers) in order to make and keep secure the God-given, unalienable rights of each and every Individual and therefore of all groups of Individuals.

posted December 11, 2007 09:36 PM              

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It does look factual....anything out of sync?

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The section about the USA not being founded on Christian principles is a reasonable point. It still has a glaringly misused quote, and if the entire quote were related it wouldn’t support the argument that Jefferson didn’t like Christianity (only that he thought Jesus’ birth to a virgin a myth – that’s what the “mystical generation” refers to, not Christianity). There are tons of Jefferson quotes on Christianity that would have been much better. I’m guessing the author just chose the top listing from a Jefferson quotes webpage. They still should know that when quoting a person, you can’t edit out the main gist because it’s misrepresentation!

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the paranoid yammerings of that otherwise compassionate cult leader who ******* died in the Middle Eastern desert 3000 years ago

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Why use a quote Pat Buchanan made over ten years ago about the media when the media has changed a LOT? And since when was it mythologized that most newspapers are independently owned? Every newspaper has a head, and the owner is listed in that head. It’s no secret that the majority of American newspapers are owned by corporations. It’s right there at the top of the front page. Also, there are annual reports of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s (OECD) educational statistics easily available online, so why use figures from 2003?

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*Only 18% of Americans own passports and bother to travel outside of the US.

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As far as whom “bothers” to travel outside the US, not everyone has disposable wealth available for travel. It’s more costly for Americans to travel to another country than for Europeans and it takes more time. It is very possible that a person wants to travel, but they don’t have the necessary time or money. I’ve been lucky as I’ve traveled a lot and I’ve lived outside of the US. But I can’t decide that a person who hasn’t had the same opportunities as me is “lazy” and can’t be “bothered” to travel abroad.

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* 85% of US soldiers in Iraq believe that they are there to get revenge for 9/11.

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* New international student enrollment in US grad schools has decreased by 6%, because of xenophobic post-9/11 US visa restrictions, jacked-up tuition fees and better educational opportunities in the EU and Asia. So no, not everyone wants to come here anymore, because it's become a land of incredibly limited opportunity, and we've lowered our educational standards.

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“International students represent an important means for strengthening U.S. cultural diplomacy around the world, according to new reports that show that the United States continues to welcome more international students than any other country and that a growing percentage of the doctorates U.S. universities award are earned by students who are not residents of the United States… Between the 1999–2000 and 2004–2005 school years, international student enrollment grew nearly 17 percent in the United States” (Source: http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile -english&y=2006&m=October&x=200610271428311CJsamohT0.5496179)

Oh, and over 97% of visas are approved within two days, which doesn’t seem too xenophobic to me. (Source: http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfil e-english&y=2006&m=November&x=200611021514031CJsamohT0.5247309)

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In the meantime, stop being SHEEP and get up and do something before some bright and ambitious Chinese, Indian and the European students grow up to be international leaders and make your lazy, self-absorbed kids irrelevant on the world stage.

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P.S. Jwhop: Just FYI that Mannu did a cut-n-paste, so those words you took issue with are not his, but those of the original author.

posted December 11, 2007 09:39 PM              

Given all the cited...so called facts...the US should be, at best...a Banana Republic everyone is trying to leave.*

Good one, Jwhop. I almost feel out of my chair, laughing.

posted December 13, 2007 01:23 PM            

Still, those who are predicting...with glee mostly...that the US is sinking should study...or consult some factual sources.

The US has an annual "gross domestic product" which is larger than the sum total of government debt. In fact, as a percentage of the GDP, the annual federal deficit is at or near historical lows.

If the total gross domestic product were applied to the total existing federal debt, that debt could be retired in less than one year...or about one year.

Not so with most families whose total annual income would fail to cover their total debt.

This is not a suggestion the government should spend even more. Right now, about 60% of revenues received by the federal government are spent on "entitlement programs" which are untouchable when budgets are being thrashed out.

The size and therefore the power of the federal government should be greatly reduced as an influence in citizens lives. Much of what is being done is reserved for the States or for the people themselves.

There are those gleefully predicting the demise of the United States. UP THEIRS.

Hello Pid

I do remember the incident because at the time, I wondered how anyone could be so corrupt..criminally corrupt..while pretending to be sooooo spiritual...and enlightened.

thirteen, I'll take your comment as a positive sign you look favorably on the United States.

Yeah Astralmuse, I realize Mannu cut and pasted someone elses screed. However, those who do so need to own what they choose to post. It's also obvious most of it was factully..fatally, flawed as you've pointed out.

My main point was to connect Mannu's post with his motive for posting it. Hopefully, that got through.

posted December 17, 2007 05:45 PM            

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JWHOP said:

Gee Mannu, I now wonder if your attack on the United States has anything to do with the fact you seem to be a follower of Osho..formerly known as...Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh?
Seems I remember a a bio-terrorist attack on the residents of an Oregon town, Dallas...via deliberate introduction of a cultured bacteria into the salad bar..specifically, Salmonella, at a restuaruant which sickened more than 200 residents of the city.

I also remember he pleaded guilty..to something..and agreed to be deported from the US.

Some other charges lodged against his followers included:

conspiracy to murder
wiretapping
attempted murder

Could it be possible Mannu this is the reason for your excretable attack on the United States?

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Whoa!!! Truth hurts and I can see that it has shaken you. And no I am not connected to Osho. I bumped in to his teachings this month. And still studying this genious. We need more people like him actually in the USA.

My intention is best answered with a sad face. I too was hurt. But you know what I realize I was wrong about America. Some one had to wake me up and I am glad this guy did a good job to shake me up. If you still want to sleep, go ahead.

Anyhow, Believe what you must. America is doomed anyways. Europe will rise to power and all old powers. Thats the future. We can change all that. Osho called the east (Japan) simply best imitators nothing else. He did have visions to build a strong America. Dude read him up before passing judgemental comments. It was his disciple responsible for that episode and he took blame as leader of an organization.

What has state got to do with spirituality? ugghhh.... Am I missing something here?
Is the state blaming God for its ill?

God/Devil are just concepts so people can dump their garbages any time on them and get away. There is no such hypothetical accountability fellows, only personal accountabilities. Guess what God is dead and so is the now America who believes in a dead God. Still time to change - do not be belief and dogma based. Get out of that rut.

Where are those brilliant forefathers who thought out of the box. Why is church becoming more and more political and politic institutes more and more God feared. I wonder simply!!!

Nuff said

posted December 17, 2007 06:03 PM            

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Chritianity has killed more than communism did. Include Adolf hitler a cunning christian and then do the math

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America still has an untapped potential of several minerals and oils. Countries are no longer small villages but global villages. Economy of one country has an impact on the whole globe. Spread more peace than violence.

posted December 17, 2007 06:10 PM            

For the record: I don't poop near the front door of my home. If I do , I cover it up

posted December 17, 2007 06:27 PM            

That is when tears shall be no more.

That is when God will abide with you.
He will happily be like the genie in Sinbad's magic lamp. But the genie is suffering to be free. The God does not suffer

Don't live the American dream. Why must you have roof over your head when 3 other people are sleeping in freezing conditions right now? I am not hinting that selfishness is bad. But if one must live then live the dreams that your religion has given you. Make that dream come true.
LOL I feel like a preacher. No thats not my intention. So going back to what I was doing.

posted December 17, 2007 06:57 PM              

It's true that the U.S. was not designed to be a Christian nation. It was not founded as a Christian nation. It was founded by the constitution to be a land of religious equality and freedom for all religions. But it remains true that Christianity is the predominant religion of choice in the U.S. The U.S. is 82% Christian. There are more Roman Catholics in the U.S. than any other branch of Christianity.
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#Pew_branches

So while it is false that the U.S. was founded by Christians and was founded as a Christian Nation. It is truth to say that the U.S. is a Christian Nation predominantly.

The U.S. is not a perfect country at all. We do have problems and our present leadership does not represent the thoughts and feelings of the majority of Americans at all. Still, imperfect as it is, the U.S. does remain to most Americans the greatest nation on earth to live. But everyone feels that way about their country. Something we Americans need to remember. We love our country with all it's faults and so do others in other countries.

The leadership of any nation at any time does not represent the thoughts and feeling or beliefs of the majority of it's citizens. And everyone loves their own country and thinks it's the greatest nation on earth.

True what Jwhop said. The U.S. does have the largest military might of any nation on earth. It gets bigger and bigger all the time but we need to remember that many great nations whose resources all went into military might and which prospered off of war have fallen due to that. You cannot maintain a great nation with military might and war because the infrastructure of the country deteriorates when all it's resouces go to to war and the military. Rome fell due to this. Greece fell due to this. Many other nations have gone the same route throughout history.

President Abraham Lincoln said, " United we stand. Divided we fall."

Today the U.S. is a very divided country.

The attitude of " America, love it or leave it, " never served any useful purpose. Those progressives who wish for change wish for a better America. They wish for a better America because they DO love it. They want to see it united once again and they want a leadership that follows the Constitution.

A nation as the U.S. is today that does not even care about the plight of it's own citizens and is not a caretaker of it's own people cannot be a caretaker of the rest of the world.

posted December 18, 2007 10:11 AM              

JW, and other guardians of american pride

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I wonder why and how it could be people from Europe, South and Central America and Canada come to the US for medical treatment...given the perception our health care is soooo second rate?
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they still do ?
funny here in India too the trend of people from Europe, South and Central America and Canada coming for treatment has exploded substantially.

is it because they saw SICKO ?

or has your HMO industry grown a conscience and started covering the 50 million Americans who live without health insurance of whom 18000 die annually

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Instead, the US is the shining city on the hill which given a chance most people in the world would choose if they wanted to leave their homelands.

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right that is why India is the worlds largest software outsourcing hub whereas Microsoft is layin off

anyone in India who can speak english is working at a Call Centre for fat paychecks and leading some more americans to stamps

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Could it be possible Mannu this is the reason for your excretable attack on the United States?
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Osho is more unwanted in India than US. he wasnt very popular here.most of his disciples were americans and europeans who loved his free sex ideology and orgies.
he couldnt get as many indians to like him becoz we are not the ones who were sexually repressed.

posted December 18, 2007 12:46 PM            

I can understand the bile you feel for the United States...as well as the evil intent after the US deported your little anything goes guru.

Your points were refuted Mannu. They sprang from the well of gossip, innuendo, rumor, illogic and outright lies.

The facts are just as I layed them out.

US= strongest economy in the world
US= most productive workforce in the world
US= largest economy in the world
US= best health care system in the world
US= strongest military in the world

Perhaps you should actually get some facts from reliable sources before hunching over your keyboard like a maligant little troll hurling BS at the US and US citizens.

Most of us don't profess to be citizens of the world...and we don't intend to be.

If that bothers you, then up yours.

posted December 18, 2007 01:02 PM            

Excuse me. Isn't it presumptuous to assume that I am not a US Citizen.