posted January 14, 2008 06:22 AM              

because my denials come from government sources ?

unlike urs ?
written by non indians ?

googled by a person never to set foot in India?

a country ,which he has announced is commiting crimes as a way of life ?

crimes, which are forbidden by its constitution .
should i mail a copy of the constitution ?
it has a lot of things urs doesnt

talk bout dense skulls.

ur ability to stare in the face of defeat and refuse to see it is exemplary to the males on this board

amazing what the excess internet exposure does to bright minds

posted January 14, 2008 06:45 AM              

." Insulting the land of all of my earliest memories is not one of them"

then u should read PID's statements to know what made me do that
also not one of PIDs insults have a basis in fact , unlike my statements .
still i know , i shouldnt have given i nto the temptation, but u really should read her inaccurate posts that made me do it.

Mea culpa

pulls ears....

" place where you don't have to worry about your hands being cut off if you vote the wrong way."
atleast U have something right.
its enough material for a thread but i doubt anyone would have valid contributions.

" India is one of the most densely populated places on the face of the planet. Please stop talking about population. (I meant the please more than the stop..if you get my meaning"

dont worry i aint gonna .
also i aint gonna have a bunch of kids, just a baby girl for me

" In fact, she SHOULD know, she is in the thick of it. Mumbai, India happens to be one of the hottest outsourcing spots in India"

not proud of it in the least .
a large chunk of youngsters being dependent on jobs, from a foreign economy does not spell long term growth.
alsoi a lot of countries, including mine have trade regulations and instituions to monitor and deflect any practices , detrimental to the economy.
i wonder why the same does not happen to the outsourcing industry, by the responsible authorities in ur country ?

posted January 14, 2008 06:46 AM              

exactly.
i wrote a paper last term for a college project, about the long term harm to our economy, not just Karma.

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"The easiest thing in the world, is for us to forget about our local problems by pointing to someone else's. Makes it easy to pretend things are so much better where WE are. Doesn't it?

That goes for both Americans and anyone else from any country.

Why? Why create more problems by creating tension between our cultures"

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That should be the foreword to all posts and threads by JW and PID.

amazing how a fellow american cracks the code of their modus operandi :biggrin:

i apologise again.

however i must remind u , none of my posts made a mockery of ur spiritual practices or made suggestions about how to fix UR problems

or had no FACTS to support them,

posted January 14, 2008 06:53 AM            

I noticed you tried to turn the Army wife thing against me. On one had you make the accusation that it is boring, mundane so we cheat. I answer with, it's never boring, I have tons to do and I also work with others. In less than 2 months we will be moving to another part of Germany, now it's time to pack, look for a new house and then go. Once I respond with the facts of being an Army / Military wife (your accusation was not just insulting to me, but to ALL Military wives) your turn the tables and say "Oh thou doth protest too much".

When you want a valid discussion, just let me know. If you want to keep playing games, do it on your own.

I've answered what I can, based on trying to decipher your posts. Eleanore, jwhop and Bear also answered your questions but you seem to overlook what they have said or read what you wanted out of it.

That is not my problem.

posted January 14, 2008 01:28 PM            

Nor is the information old news. One of the articles is dated late 2007.

posted January 14, 2008 01:57 PM            

"Since you've not learned your lesson about ripping the US while you still have more pressing problems at home, I suppose I'll need to look more closely at Indian society and government policy to see what other glaring flaws may be uncovered there."

Great response...

Venus.. as to the comment about impotence.. I realize we may have a language barrier and you are literally seeing the word impotence as referring to the ability of a person to get or maintain an erection.

In reality, I was talking about how you seem to dig into the US, like India demonstrating "penis envy" while being impotent.

Thus.. being jealous over the activity and strength of the US while you yourself cannot generate movement.

The non-sexual definition being-

From www.m-w.com: not potent : lacking in power, strength, or vigor

posted January 14, 2008 08:43 PM            

I (self), world and God are not three barriers but a continuous expansion, a continuos big bang a continuous black hole.
A continuous bliss.

BTW, I spoke of destroying temples and Bear Leo spoke of blowing them up (bombing them) - LOL
I spoke of naked in a non sexual way and Bear Leo thought I meant to show my penis.
So you see, we see the world thru our colored lens. It appears green when we see it thru green lens.

Before we know it, the moment is gone and we are born in a new moment with more intelligence. Grow up!! Grow up!! Grow up !!

Sorry for the grammar. I believe in making the point rather than how its made. Oooh is it another American myth - they want every thing presentable LOL Well the other day I went to a thai restaurant and asked a plate of food to go back. It didn't appear aesthetic. Is it my Libra taste that got better of me? I haven't done that ever before.

posted January 14, 2008 09:01 PM            

What if this person is meant to be involved in a global org like world bank or UN or WHO etc. I have met many many such people in America. And I have known Americans who have lived in India and Thailand for 15 plus years. Whether u like it or not Jwhop the world will outrun you always. You can't catch up to it. Come to an acceptance of the world around you. Don't be like an ostrich that buries its head in sand when , faced with a danger. Burying the head does not solve the problem. Please.

Jwhop you are very closed minded. Keep it open please. I am not saying ur strength of focus is unwarranted or dispensable. Well to each its own.

posted January 15, 2008 03:15 AM              

sure it is, but like i said u failed to say t hat the crimes are commited by the minority but instead made it to be a " Way of Life "
of the Majority.
u said the higher castes enjoy privileges, when in fact the only privelege they enjoy are better temples.

ONLY the lower castes have a 50% reservation in Education and employment , no questions asked.
THAT one fact , u so gleefully failed to post in ur biased thread , destroys ur credibility

as for believing " public relations department of the Indian goverment"

U r telling me that, when u disapproved of unofficial statistics of missing children and asked for FBI ones ?

i'll tell u what sources i believe

MYSELF.

it has been my life, spent in this " Impotent " country, hasnt it.so I m the one who should know that lower caste students get preferential treatmnet when it comes to education and jobs.

That IS happening everyday

also i am the one who gets the first hand experience of the atrocities committed .Except for isolated villages, the culprits end up in the judicial system.
THAT is the point u should have made, if had any real reasons for the thread

" I tend to assign a higher probability my sources are correct and yours are faulty."

let me get this straight, u declare my constituion is a faulty source ?
did u honestly think before u typed that ?
or read the extract from the constituion i had posted ?

last question

do u have the balls to deny that the lower castes are not constituionally considered equal in India ?
and that they have 50 % reservations in employment and education ?

because in That sense the caste system does exist

posted January 15, 2008 03:23 AM              

ooooh im scared

first a crime , committed by a minority , is NOT a Problem

that is basic grammer, even a dropout understands

it remains a crime

a crime committed by some nutty ***** who think they r better because they belong to a certain caste, is NOT MY PROBLEM.

all my posts have been a reply to some other post that made disparaging remarks about my country , that were not true.

u should go to the beginning JW and PID, to check that fact.

i didnt start anything, nor is it my intention to start anything.

as dense as ur skulls are this fact u can know by looking at the threads.

my posts talking about UR issues are a reply to UR inaccurate posts talking about mine.

i never started a thread or took the lead in any discussion about ur issues, i merely " Reciprocated " to ur statements and assaults at our issues.

and neither JW nor PID can deny that fact, the threads are still there to be examined

as for ripping the US, do i need to ?
i have enough problems back home to rip.

besides Bush baby is doing his job well

also JW,
arent u assuming that making inaccurate posts about my country's issues , is going to affect me the SAME way,
as any other post by any member, not just indian , affects U when it talks about ur issues ?

seriously man, in the third world, we know that problems are the most visible aspect of life.
there is no shame or inferiority complex to be developed becoz u or ur family or ur country has problems.

the only reason i even responded to ur caste thread is because of ur Complete Misrepresentaion of the problem, that failed to mention the other side of the coin.

and because U said I was practising Slavery ,Torture, yada yada as a way of life.

seriously, do go back and look at the sequence of my posts, they r a follow up to the filth that came from ur dysfuctional brain.

posted January 15, 2008 03:48 AM              

" In reality, I was talking about how you seem to dig into the US, like India demonstrating "penis envy" while being impotent."

if u read the above posts u now know any digging
I have done was a reciprocated courtesy

and no, i did not ask for a dictionary meaning of " Impotent " thank u very little,

i asked for the reasons that led u to the uh.. Misdiagnosis.

please do go give a brief summary of the facts, rationale , logic, situations, studies research ,etc.
IF ANY that convince u my country is " lacking in power, strength, or vigor "

that is not a big favour to ask is it ?

also what do u mean India digging into the US ?
mannu is not living in India, nor is he the representative of my people , just so u r confused between a member and his country

if the " U " referred to is me,
ur post was a reply to mannu's post,
any digging i did was a reciprocal courtesy , u won when u made filthy remarks that have no facts to support them.

as have been all other posts by me that dig at ur country, check that fact atleast

"When you want a valid discussion, just let me know. If you want to keep playing games, do it on your own."

now u r talking,
here is one question ur hubby failed to answer.
if it was ignorant of me to post my willingness to discuss my countrys problems ,
in a thread about the US , what does he call ur posts , unsupported by facts, about the country not being discussed ?

if Eleanore thinks my Army Wife comment was ignorant, now that i have brought it to ur notice, that all ur comments are inaccurate , what does it make u?

and please, a valid discussion ???
and I m playing games???

and this coming from someone who diverted the topic from a philosophical existential aspect of life , to sacred cows , big dicks and impotency ????

and neither JW, Bear or Eleanore think THAT was an ignorant post

posted January 15, 2008 04:10 AM            

Other than that, I have answered what I will answer until you can write coherently.

posted January 15, 2008 05:33 AM              

' could u provide a brief summary of the facts, events, logic, studies, research if any , that support ur theory that India is an Impotent country, lacking in strength , power etc. "

do take the time out of ur fulfilling, busy schedule , to answerimy question.

since u couldnt understand anything else i posted , as is evident from ur reply i post the coherent version of my " Ramble "

could clarify ur following statement about " India digging into the US ?"

mannu is not currently an Indian Resident , nor is he the unofficial representative of my people .i point the above to clear ur confusion between a member and his country.

in the event , the " U " referred to in ur post is me.
i must remind u that ur post was a reply to mannu's post.Any digging i did was a reciprocal courtesy , u won when u made filthy remarks that have no facts to support them.All other posts by me that dig at ur country, are in reciprocation to such statements about our issues. do spare the time to check that fact .

"When you want a valid discussion, just let me know. If you want to keep playing games, do it on your own."

posted January 15, 2008 06:24 AM            

A few minor points I'd like to comment on ...

AG, hello. Just my opinion, naturally, but whenever I see people (and blogs, commentaries, posts, etc abound if you google) suggesting that people respond to their circumstances with violence as being somehow acceptable (not understandable, there is a bit of a difference) I view it as sympathy or "feeling sorry for". I don't mean most people are celebrating terrorist violence but that understanding it has given way to accepting it as a matter of course and perhaps one for which there was no alternative. In that sense, terrorists the world over are much like gangsters. Apologists abound and, although I can very clearly see the reasoning behind the sentiment and agree that it may have appeared that way at the time to certain individuals, I also do not submit that man is automatically helpless against his impulses. I'm not trying to convince anyone, just stating my personal views on the issue.

Secondly, Mannu, it isn't so much that Americans would like something "presentable". The matter of poor language skills has been a constant nuisance on this forum as it has been over many internet forums. It's a written forum. It is difficult enough to understand the nuances of people's particular writing styles, their own personal grasp of the language, but then contending with poorly thought out and poorly presented posts makes one wonder (1) how that person expects to be understood by different people and thus (2) why they bothered to post at all if not for the sake of really trying to communicate with fellow posters. It's even more difficult in GU because people often allow themselves to be riled by the subject matter. Difficult, as well, is the language barrier. People tend to think in their native language and that doesn't always translate well into another language. Imo, it's just a matter of common courtesy to try to express yourself as clearly as possible. We've had numerous posters whose first language isn't English and, to my knowledge, most of us fellow LLanders have tried very much to be understanding. But so have most posters tried very hard to keep their posts clear and understandable.

Third, venusdeindia, I do find it very difficult to understand what you're writing. And I don't desire a headache trying to work my way through so much of it right now. I really am sorry. One thing I will address, however, is your query about why I should say your statement about Army wives was ignorant. To be ignorant of something is to lack knowledge of or information about something, to be uninformed or unaware. Which is precisely what your commentary on Army Wives was. Military life is certainly more demanding in many respects when compared to the civilian world but unless you've lived it, you really don't know how much support there is, how much to do there is, and how closely knit a community it really can be. We rather have to look out for ourselves and each other for while our husbands (or wives) may trek out to fight the battles, we spouses must keep up the homefront, often being pitted against ignorant, biased civilians who have their own personal problems with the military or, more accurately, their perceptions of the military. Really, your comment hardly makes sense. So many people would love to travel, to be able to immerse themselves in foreign cultures, and we get to do just that for years at a time. Thanks to modern technology, we are also able to keep up with friends and relatives across the globe. There is no conclusive reason why being a military wife in a foreign country would have to be boring at all. So, imo, your comment was merely a cheap and poorly veiled attack on Pidaua. If you choose to respond that way to anyone then, well, that really is your choice. But you'll find that people will tend to respond to you in like fashion, often irrespective of their personal beliefs about whatever subject matter triggered the discussion at hand. Granted, your posts are very hard to work through, but I have detected that you really do feel disdain for those who disagree with you and that, for some unknown reason, you believe yourself to be amusing. Also, that somehow others should feel a need to respond to your confusing posts ... at least, that's how it appears from your constant repetition. And again, I really can't be sure if my impressions are due to how you are presenting yourself intentionally or if it really is just due to your writing manner.

Tink Thank you.

Dafremen, there isn't much to say that hasn't already been said.

Pidaua, I also saw your reply in FFA but I just haven't had a chance to respond. I do think it was very cool of you to post that chart and you've certainly piqued my curiosity about the AF bday.

posted January 16, 2008 10:17 PM            

I'm aware of the problem and I have noticed it happen with both Americans and non-Americans. Perhaps less with Americans on this forum as most only speak one language. I will try personally too.

Has anyone noticed the increasing incorrect grammar usage in American TV commercials these days.

Once I inadvertently wrote an email to an office colleague, right after coming off writing an SMS message. Mine bad, this guy had a hell of time understanding what I wrote. For example I would use (ur for your, plz for please, etc, etc). I was surprised that he was laughing. Surprised because he is 57. With age some people refuse to change. Hahaha.

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I wrote some tips a while ago:

1. Using notepad before posting
2. When quoting someone using begin quote and end quote tag. More details in the Q and A. Or even some kind of a opening marker for example >>>>>>> if you are replying to others specific points.
3. Always mentioning people you wish to address directly at the beginning. Otherwise its assumed the post is meant for everyone..

4. etc etc...

Note: Every one is different and every one has different flair for communication. Its difficult to standardize. Plz do something for future readers to the best of your ability.

And in the end , my feeling is that the more the people are articulate, the more they are head oriented. Politicians are articulate people. They can only lead masses of people. Only Jesus can have 500 followers and Saul(later Paul) can manage to get 500 million believers

Only Hitler, an articulate man can lead millions of intelligent germans consisting of philosophers, scientists, mathematicians, engineers etc to follow him to Nazism.

History has shown that Genious men have a natural tendency to have a bad handwriting. So readers take heart to the naturalness in you. But try not to blame society if they complain. Be like Superman who hides his naturalness behind the identity of Clark.

My .02 as always. Oops forgot the currency. My $0.02 (US dollar not canadian LOL)

posted January 17, 2008 02:21 AM              

as to why i used the term Army wife to refer to Pid.in India it is a a practice to address or refer to soldiers as " Army Men " and their spouses as " Army wives " , out of Respect. not only that their children are also called " Army Boys " and " Army Girls ", as a gesture of respect towards their parents contribution.
uncannily , i ended up using that phrase in a speculative context, which i now realise has been misinterpreted as ignorant.
point is, separate the phrase " Army Wife " from the rest of the statement .

as for the reasons for my " Ignorance "

this started out as a thread discussing myths, that are a byproduct of nationalism, common to All cultures.not just America.
the extract , that was the subject matter of the thread was writen by a Frenchmen, as an observation, not a judgement on American Nationalism.the member to make that post is a soon to be citizen- american Resident.
did u follow the above ?

The discussion , as far as i see, is not talking about a problem or issue that america is facing. if i m being ignorant, in making such an assumption do correct me.
when a member , with personal scores to settle, diverts a harmless discussion by making remarks devoid of facts or substance to make up for a lack of valid ideas on the topic , what will u call it ?

i apologise for " snow Balling ", but my intellect fails me when it comes to sentence structure, i hope u dont mind.

posted January 17, 2008 02:21 AM              

the member makes such ignorant ( i cant think of a better word ) statements as

" Wake up and smell the sacred cow."
"I will bet you had the best your caste system has to offer"
"You almost have Penis envy... America having the big dick and your country being impotent.".

heroic , isnt it, when a member makes up for a lack of arguments by ststements like that.

but the mother of all ignorant statements was

" This is an American website.. you are nothing to us and you Bull$hit reasoning is just more of your postering from your dirt poor country."

on a forum called " Global Unity "

Amazing ..

the entire post was based on nothing but ignorance, and judgement, when it was absolutely uncalled for. if mannu had made similar remarks in his post i could understand why Pid , made such remarks.but the discussion was not biased or judgemental. why did she deliberately make it appear like that ?

Ignorance is contagious.
i chose to get ignorant and assumed , that to pull off an act like that, one needs serious issues .hence the ignorant assumption about a bored " Army wife ", who comes up with a post, devoid of facts, substance or relevance.

posted January 17, 2008 06:59 AM            

I really hope I understood you and I've tried very hard. This time I think it's due more to my headache/cold than it is to your writing. If this comes out like gibberish, I'm really very sorry.

I've never understood how when one person is called out for something, one of the first responses is often "why haven't you called out soandso for this or that". In case of any confusion, I'm a moderator on the Lexigram forum, not here in Global Unity. I don't approach this forum as though it were my responsibility to try to keep things settled down even though I wish they would be settled down.

I like the way pidaua responded in this thread about as much as I like the way you and others have written about the US and/or its citizens in other threads. Which is to say, not much.

The following isn't directed so much at you, venusdeindia, because you haven't been here that long. But it always surprises me that people feel they can say whatever nasty things they wish about the US and its people, stating their opinions as facts, and demand that no one be insulted. Yet the outcry when someone makes those same kind of statements about other countries is unreal. The same goes for religion. It really is hard to believe that people will defend the right to bash (but it's never "bash" in their eyes, it's "share opinions freely") the US and all that encompasses but yet are downright offended when someone "bashes" a foreign country or another religion. Like the idea that some people from any country or from any religion have the right to be offended by negative blanket statements is outrageous ... yet that is the response only when that country is the US or that religion is Christianity. No, no. If you don't agree that America(ns) is somehow responsible for the great evils of the world then you, naturally, are an idiot. But don't be offended by that, we're just sharing our opinions. What's that? You think that, say, Iraq is responsible for much evil in the world? You fiend! You should be banned for your racist remarks!

posted January 19, 2008 01:26 AM              

i hope u understand it was not so much about army wife as much wife.also i knew what i was doing. it was not out of ignorance, it was deliberate.
i knew exacly how everyone was going to react, and fry my ass for disrespecting an army wife, when infact the phrase implies respect.i also dont approve of any thread or post that brings americans down. any such posts i have made have been childish reciprocation.and to be honest my intention in assaulting Pid was to put an end to it.i have waited for two days hoping someone would catch on, and see what i was implying.sigh.....
anyways here is what i hoped other would see.

" you are nothing to us and you Bull$hit reasoning is just more of your postering from your dirt poor country.

Spend more time on your own people and make them more than what they are now instead of pointing fingers about how great America is and how deep down you want to be us."

there are 2 Ignorant Assumptions here, which dont speak as much about India as much as they do about Americanism.

1.) Bull$hit reasoning from your dirt poor country.
2) Spend more time on your own people and make them more than what they are now

when i made that " Army wife" comment Pid asked me what i knew about being an army wife.
as did u imply ,by telling on my ignorance

what does PID know about being dirt poor ?

being dirt poor means not knowing IF or WHEN u will have ur next meal.
being dirt poor means a mother is willing to sell her 16 year old daughter for a dollar, so she can feed the younger ones.
being dirt poor means 10 million children are malnourished.
being dirt poor means a 5 year old works for 18 hours making cheap soft toys in a Walmart outsourcing facility .