posted May 10, 2008 10:04 AM            

His posts are a true testament to his real nature and bitterness against those he does not understand or understands and loathes anyway. Of course he pretends to worry about the troops, posting about how they come back with disabilities, wounded, PTSD and a myriad of other problems that the FAMILIES face when dealing with a returning Soldier. If he truely cared, he would not litter a thread that was obviously pro-Military with more of this anti-war, Anti-Military sentiment.

Sometimes, when we just let someone keep showing their true colors (or in this case black heart) they just keep digging themselves in deeper and deeper.

posted May 10, 2008 12:10 PM              

Pid ~ we may often be on opposite sides of the fence politically, but personally I have so much respect for you. You have a first class sense of Sagittarian honor.

I won't be wandering off today

posted May 10, 2008 12:14 PM            

Hey.. how is Petron? I haven't seen him around here in forever.

posted May 10, 2008 03:32 PM            

In this thread, I posted on topic.
I did not substitute insults, as others did,
or any of my own controversial opinions.

Instead, I posted links, and summaries of links,
to American Soldiers who have been ignored by the media
(or by what 95% of the population thinks of as "the media")
giving their first-hand, eye-witness perspectives.

If you dont like what they have to say, my sympathies.
But that's not my fault. Perhaps the fault lies elsewhere?
Don't shoot the messenger.

Please, try to stay on-topic and debate the facts,
without veering off into personal attacks against me and my character.
We should all be aware of "the straw man argument" by now.

Incidentally,
there is going to be more of this at Global Unity now,
and I realize that may upset many of your personal and political agendas.
Although I do have sympathy for your feelings,
there are thousands of lives at stake here,
and somebody has to start telling the truth.

Please, try, if you can, to forgive me for that,
and to take some personal responsibility for your reactions.

If focusing on the real issues is simply too much for some of you to bear,
I will understand your need to seek security elsewhere.

posted May 10, 2008 04:16 PM            

You have been exposed, you did it yourself and your humanity, or lack thereof, is evident.

How many more people do you need to devastate and leave in your wake? How many people do you need to hurt in order to not feel your own?

It was fine that you started your own threads. Call my husband and his fellow Soldiers murderers on your own thread. We can counter than, but to impose on a thread that is talking about the progress we have made? Please, you just did that for your own selfish reasons.

If you really care about our Soldiers you would not say what you do. Where are you in this conflict? Are you sending care packages? Are you writing letters of encouragement? Are you doing ANYTHING to let them know YOU care while they are in the hospital recovering from IED's or direct conflict? ARE YOU there sending anything or DOING anything at all other than posting HERE? It is not enough to protest. I know many.. and I mean MANY people that oppose the war (which is their right) but they do EVERYTHING possible to LET the troops know they care.

YOU on the other hand... well, from all that you have posted.. we see where your heart really lies. I used to despise you but now I feel deep sorrow for you. I don't have to wake up in the mirror and look at the face of a liar. I know my words mean something and my actions speak loud. You on the other hand.. well.... we've all read what you think about yourself and others.

posted May 10, 2008 04:27 PM            

And I'm sorry my posts "devastate you and leave you in my wake".

You make me sound like a tank in a war-torn country.

I'm just trying to keep things in perspective.

posted May 10, 2008 05:46 PM              

I'd take Tranquil Poet/Atlantic Myst over this in a minute.

posted May 10, 2008 05:49 PM              

Personally I would have kept it to the other thread, but thats just me......

posted May 10, 2008 06:01 PM            

I'm doing my best.

Some folks here will personally attack me for sharing my views, no matter what.
They wont be satisfied unless I completely water-down the blood in the streets.
Not going to happen.

In the face of these personal attacks
("loser", "liar", "cruel", "no decency whatsoever",
"black heart" "bitter", "evil tempter", "selfish",
"carpetbagger", and, "patronizing pompous ass"),
I am at least trying to be civil in my responses.

If you dont wish me to "patronize you",
I suppose I could just do what you have chosen to do,
and hurl a flurry of off-topic personal insults?

Would that make you happy?

I'm serious.

Tell me what you want from me.

Be specific.

How shall I go about protesting this war,
and bringing attention to the truth as I see it,
in a way that wont make everyone here despise me?

I'd really like to know.

posted May 10, 2008 06:18 PM              

and you're not being civil. your insults are poorly hidden..

posted May 10, 2008 06:29 PM            

quote:

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I didn't call you an evil tempter. I said that about Petron. He knows I adore him and he knows it was in jest.

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You said "Petron was the evil tempter in that case"
Implying that, in this case, there is another
(who doesnt know you adore him and are kidding).

Your insults are poorly hidden.

quote:

---

and you're not being civil. your insults are poorly hidden..

---

I'm just giving my perspective.

I think I have been more than gentle,
considering what is at stake here.

quote:

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right now, I'm just deeply disappointed and disheartened.

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Me too.

In the soldiers and their wives...
In the government of this country...
In you and your personal attacks...

But I repeat:

What do you want from me?

posted May 10, 2008 06:42 PM              

And I know it's a very sensitive subject.

How to best go about communicating information?

When one feels so passionate....about an issue as important as this?

posted May 10, 2008 06:52 PM            

LTT,

posted May 10, 2008 07:00 PM              

I know its an incredibly sensitive subject,
and I know its difficult.

And maybe sometimes
it might be best to withdraw until one is ready.

I just think we're all becoming entangled here
in our emotions.

posted May 10, 2008 07:22 PM            

In reality...we all know what you are about. The lowest Soldier, the one that leaves because he cannot face war, is more NOBLE and STRONGER than you.

That is your burden.. .not mine... I feel no sadness only pity.. to an extent, for you.

posted May 10, 2008 07:25 PM            

When I differentiated between this one thread and hundreds of others, perhaps the obvious those-hundreds-of-others-are-anti-this-war-all-wars-the-military-in-general concept was completely missed by HSC. Perhaps also missing was the whole understanding of ignored by the media. Here it is in as simple terms as I can muster:

1) The media focuses only on the negative aspects and perspectives of this war and our troops, whether that includes accidental killings, strategy gone awry, or the serious conditions with which some of our troops return if they return at all, etc. even if not every story is run or given full air time.

2) The media does not focus on any progress made by our troops, on any of the positive things the Iraqi people have to say about our effort there, on the rebuilding we have done which mostly repairs the damage brought on by terrorists and the despicable regime in the first place, on the free distribution of assets possible only now that that regime is no longer in place, on the numerous instances where we have treated an Iraqi child at any necessary facility to either save their life or improve their life with healthcare they would never have received otherwise, on the overwhelming majority of parents and surviving relatives who do not feel their children/relatives died in vain, on the overwhelming majority of troops who believe in the mission and do their job knowing full well that there are many who will spit on them, literally on their bodies or figuratively on their souls, when they return, etc.

I can understand how that simple distinction would be difficult for you to make, HSC. Perhaps I have now clarified my intentions for this thread for you sufficiently? Perhaps you will choose one of the hundreds of other threads in which to post posts like the ones you posted here? Or perhaps you will create your own thread? Or perhaps you will do both and then you may even succeed (inadvertantly and through no intent of your own, of course) to push this thread to the bottom of the page or another page .... again, by bumping up [or starting] any number of the hundreds of other threads that shares and/or supports your viewpoint, the viewpoint of many here and the viewpoint of the mainstream media?

posted May 10, 2008 07:40 PM            

Either my perspective is "devastating" or it is "insignificant".

So which is it?

posted May 10, 2008 07:49 PM            

LTT... I am sorry you are so brain-washed. I feel for simpletons.. I always have. Sometimes they obsess over numbers, or plah doh.. you obsess over HSC. Someday.. whether it is in your waking moments or your dreaming moments, you will see the truth (then again.. you may just be one of the HSC personalities).

posted May 10, 2008 07:53 PM            

Misunderstandings are bound to happen in life. Let us not be guarded with our ability to shine the light on difficult concepts or ideas for others. We are not all at the same level of mental growth and some will need our help "to catch up" while others further along may deem to aid us in our need.

A moment for a deep breath and to refocus.

I'd really appreciate the rest of you contributing to this thread with any stories, reports, anecdotes, etc. that you are able to.

I often forget my perspective as a military wife but, as pidaua surely understands, sharing any number of "good" perspectives by our troops [or by us through them] is made even more difficult due to OPSEC and keeping the general integrity of the mission and any current conflicts in place. Many troops don't respond to the horrible allegations made against them simply because they don't want to risk compromising the mission.

I know that my husband and some of his guys don't watch anything other than FOX news or CNN ... and I'm sure you don't have to guess which one constantly makes them laugh with the sheer absurdity of their "reporting". [Oh, wait, sorry, HSC. There I go assuming again. *They laugh at CNN.*] They also sometimes listen to news radio, both the liberals and conservatives, to compare and contrast. Mostly, however, they avoid the trash heaped upon them on a regular basis because, even for our superhero guys, it gets to be a bother when your intelligence, hard work and honor are being questioned daily by the very people who'd wet their pants if they were faced with the same ... ie, if our troops weren't out there fighting back the tide so some can sit in the comfort of their homes and pretend there is no ocean.

Anyway, I remember the first time I told my husband, in front of some of his guys, that the mainstream media was now consistently referring to terrorists as "insurgents". After a moment of eye popping, shocked silence, they burst out laughing. Something was said along the lines of "if the media ever got anything right, they'd realize that the real insurgents are the Iraqis who have joined with us to fight against the regime and the terrorists".

With simple definitions being so very difficult for the media to get correct and all, here's some help.

Insurgent - Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government.