posted January 04, 2009 05:10 AM            

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No wonder men think women are idiots who have no intelligence.

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Oh geez, did you actually say this???

posted January 04, 2009 02:09 PM            

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i actually conduct workshops in homes for women who are battered wives

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posted January 04, 2009 02:14 PM              

All facts or statistics stated by me were given to me in the course of a family welfare study i was a participant in , i am a Level 3 Reiki healer who conducts worksops for the rehab of women who are trafficking victims or domestic abuse cases.

A fact by itself is neutral - it remains a fact .

a fact by itself implies nothing , we use them to support whatever reasoning we propose.

Unless you can come up with contradictory evidence ( unlikely given you havent aldready ) , i repeat shamelessly the facts i know to be true..

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90 % of Criminal, prisoners and like social scum are Single mom family by-products.

90 % of college students are by - products of traditional families.

The highest suicide demographic comprises depressed , single middle aged women

20000 divorced men commit suicide annually , unable to deal with the psychological trauma of losing their kids and being dumped by wives who they failed to make happy.

The % of Women perpetrated domestic violence is 60 % while men are 40 %

Women form a higher percentage of child abuse perpetrators , irrespective of family type.

50 % of all Rape accusations are FALSE.

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These are Facts , which you are free to prove wrong - it takes 10 seconds to google.

But it is wrong of me to expect such oppressive tasks of an empowered victim of domestic abuse , stupid me.

so i have to contend with having my own credibility being questioned and this...

Psychological tactic 1

You try to emotionally blackmail me into retracting my statements by withdrawing your approval of me as a person ( like i care :rolleyes ]

Psychological tactic 2

When the 1 fails you try to shame me into taking back my Single mom statement because you are a single mom who was domestically abused, hence i am not stating a Fact but by default questioning YOU personally .

more on the nauseous logic later, my screwed up comrade.

Psychological tactic 3

Having no respite in reasoning or facts or logic , you declare that you are considering immolating yourself - because i stated a FACT that has nothing to do with you personally but you find revolting - because it dare imply that women in addition to equal rights are accountable for the choices and repercussions thereof on self and others.

Your intelligent ,educated response is to threaten me with immolation , thus shaming me and at the same time hoping to shame other members who read it in the belief that with PC liberal brainwashing they will be your knights in screwed up land.

Because i am the monster who dare suggest women see the other side of the coin - that rights are to be reciprocated by responsibilities .

Psychological tactic 4

Twisting my general remarks about women who ask for divorce for fickle reasons to make it look like i meant YOU should have stayed with the abusive husband YOU chose with your intelligence .

Smart , so smart you make Einstein look like a bimbo - why try to win a debate on merit whe you can screw your opponents and others into buying you sh1t sandwich. Just scream " I am victim bwahaha.. yer are judging me bwahaha, yer making me hold me accountable for the facts that dont apply to me booowahaha "

posted January 04, 2009 02:15 PM              

I am the Vicitm Goddess and all men are Monsters, my intelligence in picking an abusive stranger unknwon to anyone i know instead of dating a nice boring friend or someone from church.....no wait THAT is OPPRESSIVE.

Women are capable of no wrong decisions and any bad repercussions are accountable for by men.

A formerly nice husband hits a rough patch and goes through a phase where he hurts his wife and kids - all men are monsters and women have equal rights.

A formerly nice wife turns emotionally or physically abusive to her husband and children through post - partum or full depression - if he doesnt stay with her and put up with her he is a coward. Women still have equal rights.

No wait , women are not capable of any wrongdoing , her husband is responsible for her depression. She shouldnt stay with him .She should just file for divorce and live in his home with their kids while the Family court gives her a free slave for life , even when the children are ******** that belong to some bad boy down the street must the monster husband pay for her spawn for life ....And that IS the LAW

Psychological tactic 5

Employing an aggressive and combative tone when the above tactics didnt work and screeching senseless sh1it post after post thinking that would overwhelm me and others and we would accept that the Facts YOU dont like to read are an inhuman act on my part and on anyone else who tries to maybe question things they have never.

Azalaksh, If i use half the amoral argumental tactics you have used in this thread , and unsuccessfully at that , in my discussions with my husband - you can rest assured he will slap me.

and i will be the Victim Goddess - free from all accountability of driving him to it .

Because i am a woman and feminism says i can do no wrong.

This the problem isnt it Az ?

You have never been held accountable, or even exposed to the idea by your femninised liberal background that if you can give cr@p you should be able to take it.

The very Proof of your handicapped mental thinking - that you expected all of us to agree with you just beacuse your husband , a victim of circumstances ( contributed by you or maybe or not ) forced you to be a single mom menas ALL single moms are also vitcims who didnt have a choice are thus to be exonerated.

but when i post a similar story - only the victim is a man you and AG automatically parrot the same line-

Not a single man has ever been on the receiving side of a womans mistakes.

If its a man - he is lying or imagining it - He doesnt have the equal rights or value as an abused human that you have as woman eh Azalaksh

Convincing - because YOU believe so.

Thus i must believe it, or be the Heartless monster who wants you to " Immolate " herself...never mind i stated a bare fact that says 10 % of single mom kids turn out well. But YOU decided that you are the 90 % - by your own logic .

Go ahead , whats keeping ya ?

posted January 04, 2009 02:31 PM              

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Oh geez, did you actually say this???

You have just caused the rape of a dozen women with this stupid comment!!!!

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posted January 04, 2009 02:31 PM            

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i take it you CHOSE him and that back then he didnt give you any reason to be suspicious, right ?
If you were in your sound mind when deciding to be with him, are you not by defintions of equality as responsible for the outcomes of your decision and thus liable to stand by it ?
In fact you did, you assumed responsibility for your life but not without blaming him for turning out bad when it was something in your own mind that led you to being with a man with an evident personality disorder .

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It is not to question equality for women but is it fair for equality for a gender to be at the expense of the other or at the expense of the whole society...
That was what is questioned , not your credentials, not how strong women are or were but equality for women at the price of men fair ?

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I don’t know what you’re worried about anyway – there will never be equality for women in my lifetime, but we can work towards it for the next generation. Ever heard of the Pink Ceiling?? Women will never get equal pay for equal work, not in my lifetime, although things ARE changing. I don’t know how you can seriously write “is it fair for equality for a gender to be at the expense of the other or at the expense of the whole society”. How do you expect the catch-up to happen?? Imagine an old-fashioned set of weighing scales. If one tray is way at the bottom, overloaded, and one tray is at the top, empty – how do you get them to balance??

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one wonders why an intelligent women would take something personally what obviously does not apply to them . Yours is not the family situation the article discusses, you are making it about you and calling for self-immolation when nothing is about you in the first place..

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posted January 04, 2009 02:38 PM            

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Your intelligent ,educated response is to threaten me with immolation , thus shaming me and at the same time hoping to shame other members who read it in the belief that with PC liberal brainwashing they will be your knights in screwed up land.

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As for those "knights of screwed-up land" that you think I need (or am calling) to come "rescue" me -- that certainly smacks of a perception of insecurity and lack of self-esteem. And see, that viewpoint is the one that I take issue with -- that I'm so fragile and defenseless that I need a knight (a man) to come rescue me. That is YOUR mindset -- not mine.

I'm amazed that your family workshops in India can be identical to family workshops here (which you evidently presume) and that families here in the USA can be so indentical to Indian families -- who knew the world was so similar??

As for your spitting-cat-in-a-corner "Psychological Tactics" listing, I can't help but laugh, and I'm done "screeching senseless sh!t" at you now

Amorally yours, and namaste, and btw I'm not and will never be your comrade.
Your viewpoints fill me with disgust, but it takes all kinds -- live and let live.
~ Zala

posted January 04, 2009 05:28 PM            

I DID check your false rape accusation, and it was, in fact, not a FACT at all. Did you just gloss over that?

Moreover, if your facts are verifiable, you should have some means of proving them to us.

The highest suicide rate demographic for America isn't women. It's men by a 4-to-1 ratio.
http://www.suicidology.org/associations/1045/files/2005StatesGENDER.pdf

73% of all suicide deaths are white males. http://www.suicide.org/suicide-statistics.html

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In 2004, there were 16.6 completed suicides per 100,000 people in that age group. That’s the highest it’s been since the CDC started tracking such rates, around 1980. The previous high was 16.5, in 1982. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22258413/

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Which party held the White House during the record highs? Republican.

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Experts believe suicides are under-reported. But reported rates tend to be highest among those who are in their 40s and 50s and among those 85 and older, according to CDC data. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22258413/

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Well, that adds a new wrinkle, doesn't it? Suicides are under-reported in the first place, and MOST reported during the years of middle age and old age. I would say that that's a fairly relevant fact when assessing the data.

I could go on further about the subject of suicide, but what I'm reading is that the experts have some possible contributing factors (that are more scientific than blaming feminism), but they can't know for certain. They need another five year's worth of data in order to start scratching the surface on what the cause is/was.

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I've done the research on your "fact" that 90% of college students are products of traditional families. I haven't found any evidence to support that claim.

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90% of Criminal, prisoners and like social scum are Single mom family by-products

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I haven't yet tried to verify whether or not this is true, however, I see a problem with the logic behind using this stat as a means of showing that single-mom families are bad. The logical problem I see is that your statement doesn't address the status of children of single mothers who don't fit that mold. What about them? (Not to mention that we could probably also find some other socio-economic factors common to that 90% as well, which would do nothing to bolster the argument against feminism or the attribution of middle-aged white women's depression to feminism.)

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20000 divorced men commit suicide annually , unable to deal with the psychological trauma of losing their kids and being dumped by wives who they failed to make happy.

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posted January 04, 2009 06:32 PM            

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it takes 10 seconds to google

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*head in hands*

Anyone working in education, information or the land of academia must be crying along with me on this one, oh, it's been a tough week.

posted January 05, 2009 06:05 AM            

It always comes back to extremes. Are there men who beat women? Yes. Are there women who beat men? Yes. Are there men who beat children? Yes. Are there women who beat children? Yes. Are these people the majority? No. The same can be said for many situations, including divorce. You've got the bell curve average of most divorces being approached legitimately and then you've got the men who abandon the women and children with nothing and the women who take their ex-husbands for all they're worth. I don't see why focusing on either of those extremes (men or women) should reflect poorly on all the others, from either side. Some people, of either gender, are just greedy, selfish and vindictive.

And, frankly, the money issues that stem from divorce are often due to ignorance and naive ideas on the part of both parties. It's unromantic to have separate checking accounts. It's unromantic to have your own credit card (responsibly) so that, heaven forbid your spouse dies or divorces you, you have a credit rating of your own to help you recover. It's unromantic to have a prenup. It's not necessary to have an emergency fund, not just jointly, but individually, ie, in your own name so the other person can't wipe out all your money. But, no. That lacks faith and trust and blah blah blah nevermind the appallingly high rates of divorce. SO many stupid decisions that begin and end with "I didn't know" or "I didn't believe it would happen to me."

I really don't think financial stupidity relates to feminism as much as it does to an apathetic culture regarding responsibility and self education although a liberal attitude towards the evils of money may play a role. (MAY. I've noticed a distinct rift between non-rich [middle class and below], self-proclaimed spiritual liberals and the very rich, highly formally educated, often spiritually agnostic liberals regarding financial matters. But that's a personal observation, not the result of soandso's extensive research.)

But, back to the main topic, I think there's a difference between gender equality and women's rights. I do think the feminist movement has some extremes, just the same as many other movements. I am concerned about the constant male bashing our society seems to thrive on, especially now that I'm raising a son. (For a simple and common example, a commercial depicting a man so stupid he can't remember to do a simple chore is considered funny but if a woman were portrayed equally stupidly it would be discrimination. The same goes for race ... mock a white person and its hilarious but a similar racial joke about a minority is discrimination.)

However, I'm not trashing the whole gender equality progress issue because of a loud group of feminazis. Women were horribly oppressed for a long time in the US and still are around the world. There is still progress to be made. And I think, eventually, like with racial issues, that we will find a happy medium. Likewise, I do think laws need to be revised regarding divorce and again, it's similar to the need to rework affirmative action laws. Neither minorities nor women are innately inferior and, while in the past in the US, both groups were disproportionately disenfranchised, that is no longer the case today for the overwhelming majority of either group. Accordingly, laws need to be changed to reflect the progress both groups have made. There is no reason why ALL women need to be given full or main custody of the children just because they are women ... nor do they all need all the assets and the alimony along with the child support. There are women who out earn their spouses or who have an equally thriving career who don't actually need the money as it was originally intended ... ie, to keep an uneducated and unsupported woman and her children from starvation and homelessness. And progress is being made. There are men who are now given custody. Assets are more likely to be divided equally today than they were even a couple of decades ago.

posted January 05, 2009 03:39 PM              

Venusdelinda - where did you get your percentages?

83% of all statistics are made up.

College educated person I am raised by my mother.

HHHMMM>>>>my oldest daughter about to graduate college and CONTINUE on for her masters.

How dare you attack our value system. How dare you.

In INdia don't they throw acid in the faces of woman that are caught in the presence of a man when unmarried, becasue now they are WhOR#S>

Don't the women in your country kill female children because they are not as valuable as male children? Mothers kill female children. I have read this.

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Meanwhile: India's women battle the 'bad luck' label, by Manreet Sodhi Someshwar, International Herald Tribune: Growing up in my hometown in Indian Punjab, I often heard people remarking to my father, "You are very fortunate." It seemed a reasonable statement: In the hothouse of the Indian middle class, ... were we five siblings, each intent on surpassing the excellent scholarship of the others.

How much better could it get for my parents? ... It was only later, when I moved out of Punjab to study engineering, that I began to comprehend, little by little, the nature of my father's "fortune." In a land where people do away with newborn girls, my father had four daughters. "Kuree maar" (daughter- killer) is a common pejorative in Punjab, yet my father was not only raising four girls, but also educating them and sending them to professional colleges. To add to the strangeness of it all, the girls began to graduate and earn handsome salaries. ...

When their child reaches marriagable age, parents who have sired a son (often with considerable help from a sex-determination test) can command a Honda car, a house, a flat- screen television, cash, even foreign trips - all in the name of the dowry that the hapless parents of the bride are obliged to provide. In a patriarchal society like Punjab, women are defined by matrimony. Before marriage, a Indian woman is a cipher. Marriage simply confers the decimal point. Thereafter, she can raise her value by becoming the mother of sons. It is in her hands, and she understands the situation all too well.

The tools are readily available: tin- roofed clinics ... provide prenatal diagnostic testing and subsequent "medical termination of pregnancy," also known as abortion; traveling laboratories that conduct on- the-spot ultrasound tests; midwives who scour the countryside for pregnant women in need of "help." For some, it is never too late to smother a newborn girl under a sack of grain, strangle her, or bury her alive.

another article said : school is for boys, girls do not get to attend..

Marriage
To insure purity of family bloodline, families insist on arranged marriages. The child inherits the caste of their father and brides live with grooms’ family. Inter caste marriages are tolerated if it is the groom who marries down. For consenting to such a match a bigger dowry is demanded by the grooms family.
Brides’ and grooms’ families advertise in paper for mates.
Divorce is rare in India.
Unlike Western cultures engagement and wedding rings are not exchanged instead a marriage necklace is given to the bride by the mother-in-law.
In rural area’s marriage often takes place at 12-13 years of age. This results in numerous health issues for the young bride as well as any of her resulting children

ok - they get married around age of 12 yrs. too busy to attend school.

General comments on being a woman in India:
When women speak professional they often get much help from males
A single successful woman is less accepted by her peers than the women who is married.
Women rarely drive cars, but occasionally are seen operating motor scooters.
Drivers and servants are the norm for successful women.
Men gather at many places throughout the community such as the well, or a central gathering spot but women are confined to their immediate home and often visit from rooftop to rooftop.
There is much contrast between women’s role in India and other countries.

so - pretty much they don't even get to drive cars or visit friends

so basically a woman with no rights, who is married at 12-13yrs old, and can't even drive a car or visit her friends - thinks she has the right to say anything about our great country and the problems of our youth? Please do not come HERE and suck off the good of our land, do not buy our gas stations and get rich from our money.

You have some work to do in your own back yard before you even look at how high our grass is. We like our female children. We don't put up with abuseive husbands and & 70 percent of our rapes are unreported. You really don't know crap and would do best to go find a place to sit down and be quiet now.

posted January 05, 2009 03:52 PM              

I thought you were bigger than that? Is this personal with you? I'm seriously curious. That's the only way I can make sense of it....did an american woman burn you somehow?

posted January 05, 2009 03:58 PM              

this article explains that most woman in indiaare subjected to physical abuse.

that is really too bad. See we don't have to be hit in america. they let us woman buy homes, and cars and get good jobs. It is a different culture girl, and I am sorry you were borninto a placewith such social sanctions. You would never understand american woman.But, I will tell you this, I think they feed you all that crap to keep you from wanting the same thing we have, rights and freedom. You really have no idea.

Domestic violence in South Asia continues unabated and trends indicate that it is on the rise with new forms of rights deprivations and violations emerging. In India particularly the dynamics contributing to the perseverance of domestic violence include lack of information, insufficient legal provisions, weak law enforcement and inadequate services for victims of violence.

In its 1995 Country Report for the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, the Indian government changed its official views by recognizing violence against women (VAW) as a critical issue. Domestic Violence in India is a complex issue. Nearly 60 percent of women in rural India get married before the age of 18 and 60 percent of married women become mothers well before they are 19 years of age. Most women workers are not officially recognized as workers and data indicates that only 2 percent of women workers are in the formal sector; 85 percent of women workers earn only 50 percent of the official poverty line income and have no access to social security. The female literacy rate is 54 percent; close to 189 million women still lack the basic ability to read and write (UNIFEM).

From 1980 to 1990 crimes against women increased 74 percent with rape, molestation and torture by husbands and in-laws showing the highest rates of growth; crime statistics from 1998 report a 15.2 percent increase in gender-based violence over the previous year, according to the National Crimes Record Bureau, Ministry of Home Affairs, Government of India. The records of the bureau reveal a shocking 71.5 percent increase in cases of torture and dowry deaths during the period from 1991 to 1995 and may reflect increased reporting of violence. In 1995, torture of women constituted 29.2 percent of all reported crimes against women. In another study, 18 to 45 percent of married men in five districts of Uttar Pradesh, a large state in northern India, acknowledged that they physically abused their wives (Narayana 1996). And in a study by Ranjana Kumari (1989) of dowry abuse it was revealed that one out of every four-dowry victims was driven to suicide.

posted January 05, 2009 06:17 PM            

Just one more thing, Ms. venusdeindia ~
I would LOVE to have been able to stay home and raise my son instead of sending him to daycare. But someone had to pay the bills. And my son's poor, poor father, would have been RUINED FOR LIFE if I had pursued child support, wouldn't he?? I couldn't do that to a man, could I?? It wouldn’t be fair, would it. I probably wouldn't have survived if I had stayed with my ex, and that is no bid for sympathy, nor is it a statement of any kind of victim-hood. Is it better this way, for my son in a SINGLE-MOM "FAMILY", or would he have been better off with his mother dead and his father in jail for murder, being raised by strangers??

You loftily informed me that I shouldn't be taking all your 100% TRUTHFUL statistics personally if they didn't apply to me. But your statistics and articles left no room for extenuating circumstances -- it was 100% black and white – children raised by single (liberated?) mothers end up (and please remember, you bolded this because it was so important to you): as killers, drug addicts, teen pregnancies, rapists, child molesters, people with lower marks, poorer paying jobs, bad relationships [and] are a product of ?? SINGLE MOM FAMILIES.

Venus, I’m not a “feminist” and belong to no movement. But I do consider myself liberated from outmoded notions of servitude and second-class status. There are feminist groups who are over the top in their extreme opinions. But imho, they fearlessly raise issues of inequality that need to be examined, along with raising the bar on the goal of tolerance and equality for EVERY human being, man OR woman.

I beg to differ with your statistics (all of them). In just one case that I researched, it seems, according to Scientific American magazine and not someone’s private blog, that 11% of American women and 5% of American men are taking anti-depressants. This is USA statistics, not the 15% of depressed women you noted in Europe. http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-medicated-americans

I wish I understood what your motive is for posting material like this. Do you get a kick out of demeaning an entire segment of the world population by posting inflammatory inaccurate articles, are you truly outraged by the problems in another country, or are you performing what others have called a “useful public service”??
Please, before you come back here and post strident condemnations of American culture/society (without the disclaimer: oh but please excuse yourself if this offensive material does not apply to you) get your facts straight.
I'm also quite curious why you posted the great big green grin icon at the headers of your offensive posts?? That leads me to believe that you knew what you were doing and that you meant to offend.

Eleanore ~

posted January 06, 2009 10:48 PM            

Not all the women going into therapy are into feminism, either. Some are even very much against it.

'Course that gets complicated as there are many types of feminists, and some feminists dislike other types of feminists even more than they dislike "everyone else" (and men can be feminists, too).

But all in all, I wasn't that impressed.

posted January 07, 2009 03:42 PM            

Mississippi has highest teen birth rate, CDC says
By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer Mike Stobbe, Ap Medical Writer 4 mins ago

ATLANTA – Mississippi now has the nation's highest teen birth rate, displacing Texas and New Mexico for that lamentable title, a new federal report says.

Mississippi's rate was more than 60 percent higher than the national average in 2006, according to new state statistics released Wednesday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The teen birth rate for that year in Texas and New Mexico was more than 50 percent higher.

The three states have large proportions of black and Hispanic teenagers — groups that traditionally have higher birth rates, experts noted.

The lowest teen birth rates continue to be in New England, where three states have rates at roughly half the national average, which is 42 births per 1,000 teen women.

It's not clear why Mississippi, with 68 births per 1,000, surged into first place. The state's one-year increase of nearly 1,000 teen births could be a statistical blip, said Ron Cossman, a Mississippi State University researcher who focuses on children's health statistics.

The New Mexico rate was 64 per 1,000; Texas was 63. New Hampshire, with a rate of 19 per 1,000, was the nation's lowest.

More than a year ago, a preliminary report on the 2006 data revealed that the U.S. teen birth rate had risen for the first time in about 15 years. But the new numbers provide the first state-by-state breakdown.

The new report is based on a review of all the birth certificates in 2006. Significant increases in teen birth rates were noted in 26 states.

"It's pretty much across the board" nationally, said Brady Hamilton, a CDC statistician who worked on the report.

About 435,000 of the nation's 4.3 million births in 2006 were to mothers ages 15 through 19. That was about 21,000 more teen births than in 2005.

Numerically, the largest increases were in the states with the largest populations. California, Texas and Florida together generated almost 30 percent of the nation's extra teen births in 2006.

Some experts have blamed the national increase on increased federal funding for abstinence-only health education that does not teach teens how to use condoms and other contraception. They said that would explain why teen birth rate increases have been detected across much of the country and not just in a few spots.

There is debate about that, however. Some conservative organizations have argued that contraceptive-focused sex education is still common, and that the new teen birth numbers reflect it is failing.

Other factors include the escalating cost of some types of birth control and their unavailability in some communities, said Stephanie Birch, who directs maternal and child health programs for the Alaska Department of Health and Social Services.

Glowing media portrayals of celebrity pregnancies don't help, either, she said. "They make it out to be very glamorous," said Birch, who cited a calculation by Alaska officials that teen births were up 6 percent in that state in 2006.

A variety of factors influence teen birth rates, including culture, poverty and racial demographics. For those and other reasons, kids in mostly white New England likely would delay child birth, said David Landry, a researcher at the Guttmacher Institute, a New York-based organization which supports abortion rights and gathers research on sexual and reproductive health.

"It's more costly for youth in the Northeast to have a teen birth than for youth in the South, in terms of opportunities they'll miss," he said.

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On the Net:

CDC report: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_07.pdf
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090107/ap_on_he_me/med_teen_births

posted January 21, 2009 05:25 AM              

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FACTS AND ANN COULTER DON'T LIE .

1. Single moms are twenty-four times more likely to kill children than single dads (third national Incidence Study of Child Abuse 1997). Children are 88% more likely to be seriously injured from child abuse or neglect by their mothers than by their fathers (ditto).

Single mother households account for 43% of all abused children.

2. Ninety-four percent of those who made false accusations were women and 96% of those falsely accused were men. (Hollida Wakefield and Underwager)

The 2.6 million reports of child abuse
& neglect, 66%, were unconfirmed, but NOT RETURNED to the family.

3. 80 percent of child sex-abuse accusations are determined to be unfounded. In Florida 92% of child abuse cases (after and initial guilty verdict) were found to be false or unsubstantiated. All 1,200 people appealing had been listed as “confirmed” child abusers. There
has been a 2,000% increase in sex abuse
allegations in the past ten years.

Why? “Follow the money”.

4. The New York University of Law School, finds that the law is written so broadly that virtually every parent is guilty of child abuse several times each week.

5. 40 percent of mothers reported they had refused visitation to their ex-husband to punish the father. Less than 20% of men have done the reverse.

When shared parenting is implemented the divorce rate drops within a few years. The state has created such an incentive for women to divorce with outlandish child support and terms that it is now actually creating the divorce market.

Other results of Fatherlessness caused by a greedy and ignorant family court system that separate fathers from their children for financial gain and their convenience and self-interest.

• 79.6% of custodial mothers receive a support award • 29.9% of custodial fathers receive a support award. • 46.9% of non-custodial mothers totally default
on support. • 26.9% of non-custodial fathers totally default on support.

• 20.0% of non-custodial mothers pay support at some level • 61.0% of non-custodial fathers pay support at some level

• 66.2% of single custodial mothers work less than
full time.

• 10.2% of single custodial fathers work less than
full time.

• 7.0% of single custodial mothers work more than 44 hours weekly.

• 24.5% of single custodial fathers work more that 44 hours weekly.

• 46.2% of single custodial mothers receive public assistance.

• 20.8% of single custodial fathers receive public assistance.

• 40% of mothers reported that they had interfered with the fathers visitation to punish their ex-spouse. ["Frequency of Visitation" by Sanford Braver, American Journal of Orthopsychiatry]

• 50% of mothers see no value in the fathers continued contact with his children. ["Surviving the Breakup" by Joan Berlin Kelly]

• 90.2% of fathers with joint custody pay the support due.

• 79.1% of fathers with visitation privileges pay the support due.

• 44.5% of fathers with no visitation pay the support due.

• 37.9% of fathers are denied any visitation.

• 66% of all support not paid by non-custodial fathers is due to the inability to pay. [1988 Census "Child Support and Alimony: 1989 Series" P-60, No. 173 p.6-7, and "U.S. General Accounting
> Office Report" GAO/HRD-92-39FS January 1992]

• 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes.

• 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.

• 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.

• 80% of rapist motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes.

• 71% of all high school dropouts come from
fatherless homes.

• [b]70% of juveniles in state operated institutions >come from fatherless homes

• 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home.

• Nearly 2 of every 5 children in America do not live with their fathers.

• In 1991 there were 11,268,000 total custodial >mothers and 2,907,000 total custodial fathers

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I was divorced when my child was 6 years old. I am still single, she is 27. I would have loved to stay married and if not that at least I would have loved to have an amicable divorce, one that encouraged both of us to give the most to our child. But it was not to be. And I do see certain events in my daughters life that I attribute to the fact that there was no real male role model. I did the best I could. She is wonderful. But Ann is right.

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I haven't read this book yet, but will be ordering it soon. Sometimes Ms. Coulter's snarkiness bothers me a little, but in a sort of guilty way because I think she is so funny. I guess what bothers me is that when I analyze it thoroughly, no matter how snarky, she is right. And, that is also what I love about her. Liberals should adore her because she evokes so much "feeling" from people, and feelings are what it is all about, non?

Well, as a divorced mother who reared my children alone for 15 years with sporadic child support. I fully agree with Ann on this one. I would have been a much better mother has I been married to an even average husband and father. Unfortunately, I was foolish enough to marry very unwisely. Here's a clue, intelligence has not got any correlation with integrity, courage and honor.

My children are all doing well and have never become statistics for drugs, promiscuity, crime or anything else. But I am equally certain that they would be doing much better had I been a full time mother instead of a full time provider and part-time mother, and if they had had the influence of a stable and loving father.

Hats off to Ann once again and to Mr. Terpstra for setting the record straight.

Best regards,
Gail S

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hats off ladies

posted January 21, 2009 05:34 AM              

And these like minded women kick- @ss as usual

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The truth hurts.....it hurts the lawyers bottom line. Divorce is an industry in America. Look at the number of court appointed counsellors, facilitators, childrens advocates who would be out of jobs if no fault were taken off the table, it is a cash cow. The losers are the children and the parents who tend to be more miserable than when they were married. There is this expectation of marriage that it should just run smoothly, if you hit a bump you must have chosen the wrong person, quick divorce. As if no effort should be required, no compromise. Most divorce is initiated by women because they are not happy any more and it must be the man's fault. Feminists set unreal expectations for women and they buy it cause its easier for it to be someone else's fault. It all revolves around personal responsibility. Too many in society want someone else to take responsibility for them. The really weird part is, with everything going wrong economically, socially and politically, may actually make people think more before divorce.

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Of course they don't like her tone!

The left is hell bent on killing more babies and making it a free-for-all that Obama expects us to pay for (more killing facilities, more abortions, more welfare, more juvenile institutions, equals more government intervention, equals millions of new jobs). How dare we offend women/single mothers and make them feel bad about keeping their legs closed until they can take responsibility for their actions. Isn't this part of the leftest socialist plan to help fuel our failing economy?

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The solution IS to keep your legs closed until you can afford to take care of a child.

I was taught to have restraint. It is not impossible. My parents constantly supervised me. Self-righteous? Give me a break. Stating that parents and teens are incapable of being responsible is a cop-out. Difficult to have compassion and humility in a society that encourages and puts its stamp of approval on irresponsible behavior in every form, and in every facet of the media. Parents are to blame and should be held accountable for the children their children bring into the world. They allow their teens to go unsupervised. Children would not be having sex the way they are today if their parents were supervising them. It is a very simple solution and it works. Why fix a problem when our government gives us plenty of other options?

What, do we keep bailing these people out and feeling sorry for them until our own families lie in financial ruin?

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posted January 21, 2009 09:19 AM            

Because I'm a single white western female whose Mum was also single for a good proportion of my childhood. And yes, we are both suffering from depression. Mum's latest depression is caused from her marrying again to give us stability as young teenagers and now her husband has decided that he'll go shove his parts into some other female for 2 years and lie about it. But hey, he's blameless huh?

What exactly the hell has the depression of single western women got to do with you? Couldn't give a rats what you think about me and my mother frankly. Empathy would be nice but you're not enlightened enough for that, clearly.

Neither of us beats, steals, cheats, rapes, claims state benefits because we are lazy, abuses children, abuses substances, kicks dogs or cats, and sometimes we smile at old people.

My father and my ex are guilty of a good few of those. I love my father nevertheless. My ex can go to hell - he was depressed and he let the whole fricking world know it. Me, I keep my depression to myself and get on with my life.

posted January 21, 2009 09:35 AM            

Oh here's hoping.