posted January 22, 2009 04:50 AM            

My theory - this is projection as she's quite a wealthy single woman in her own right and clearly has issues with her own self-esteem and social standing. But blame everything on Western women - it's easier that way.

I'd quite like to go along to one of the healing sessions for battered women though. What a joke.

posted January 22, 2009 11:36 AM            

either go to those who are facing this problem and help them overcoming but don't keep thinking or imagining or believing in this and no need to go spread it.

you can spread the awareness in positive way.

posted January 22, 2009 12:13 PM            

venus your examples are women who had children in good faith and were left by the fathers...still they managed to raise upstanding members of society who fit none of the "failure" categories you mention. how do they prove your point? oh, by saying a resident father would have been helpful?!! well most of us would agree with that but it didn't pan out that way!! it takes two to make a marriage work or fail.

posted January 22, 2009 08:48 PM            

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one wonders why an intelligent women would take something personally what obviously does not apply to them . Yours is not the family situation the article discusses, you are making it about you and calling for self-immolation when nothing is about you in the first place..no offense i have seen this in a lot debates i have had with womens groups, they assume the role of the offendee when the criteria does not apply to them ?

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posted January 23, 2009 03:04 PM            

having lived in london for 21 years, i can understand why an indian woman in england would get steamed up about women's lib...

my feeling, venus, is that if you want to get married, your father wants to give you enough money to stay at home with hub and kids, go for it! it is not the same as having to ask your husband for money he considers ALL HIS to manage or hoard or blow. and i warrant that at least while he is alive your father would also pay for you to leave a man who beat you or abused you in any way. most of us western women do not have that option, though the wealthiest may. many of us do not want to be controlled by daddy's money any more than hubby's. right or wrong.

i am sincerely curious as to what you think you would do if, say, your husband died or decided you were not after all his soulmate but someone else was? and you had a child or two when this happened?

just for the record, widows are single mothers too, but not a soul looks down their nose on a widow...

posted January 23, 2009 03:47 PM              

ok, so venus - why is drug trafficking rampant in a country with 2 percent divorce rate? these are not single parent homes. we don't grow poppy here to make herion from... it is grown in india.

if all of the bride burners, acid throwers and scumbag dowry beaters were in prison, who would that statstic be represented by? two parent families. that shoots your theory straight to hell. now you tell me, if those renegade non respectors of life and humanity were in prison where they belong, who and what would be to blame? liberal feminists? i don't think so. rethink your stuff and come back with an inclusive idea that formed in your own head, not an term paper cut and paste. or is the answer poverty? ok, so lets assume you say poverty, so why would the answer in your country of acid throwing renegades be poverty and the answer here is one parent homes? THINK> you can do better than that.? no?

US concerned over illicit drug market in India

18 Sep 2007, 0940 hrs IST, PTI

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WASHINGTON: The US has expressed concern over illicit drug market in India saying significant amounts of Opium poppy produced for legitimate
pharmaceutical purposes get diverted to illegal markets.

"India have a large problem of diversion of chemicals and of Opium production. Because of the diversion from their licit opium that they do grow, it's finding its way to the illicit market, and as much as 30 per cent of their Opium is being diverted," the State Department has said in its latest Annual Report on the Major Drug Producing Countries.

"Recently, Indian law enforcement officials discovered and destroyed very large fields of poppy grown in areas where before, we thought there was no illicit cultivation," Christy McCampbell, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in the Bureau of Narcotics and Law Enforcement said.

India has been listed in the "Majors List" of illegal drug transit and drug producing countries, a categorisation of nations which are overwhelmed by drug related violence, crime and corruption.

The countries listed for this year's Majors list are the same as they have been for the last two years and include Afghanistan, Brazil, Burma, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Haiti, and Pakistan besides India.

"Because a country is listed on the Majors list does not necessarily mean that country supports narcotic trafficking or is lagging in its counter-narcotics efforts.

"The law stipulates that a major illicit drug producing country is defined as one that either cultivates or harvests at least a thousand hectares or more of Coca or Opium or also five thousand hectares of Cannabis during a single year," she said.

i dont know what a thousand hectare is, but it must be a lot.

posted January 23, 2009 04:01 PM            

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ok, so venus - why is drug trafficking rampant in a country with 2 percent divorce rate? these are not single parent homes. we don't grow poppy here to make herion from... it is grown in india.

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posted January 25, 2009 11:22 PM            

VDI, are you trying to channel Anne Coulter or something, with the vitriolic, spiteful language? It makes it hard to take anything you're saying objectively (or seriously, for that matter) because you're sounding rather hysterical in most of your posts.
I was willing to read your threads and your posts within reason and to not pass judgment, and I was really willing to overlook the hateful remarks to an extent, but GOOD GRIEF, woman! You manage to insult and alienate groups of people with each sweep of your comments!
Your sweeping judgments are alarmingly generalized and have no soul in them, they feel like mimicry of some hysterical public figure that you're chosen to try and emulate. It doesn't even sound *real* to me, it's almost cartoonish.

It doesn't do much good when you make all these generalizations and leave *yourself* out of the argument, and attempt to put yourself on higher imaginary ground in order to appear far 'above' any of what it is you obviously are having some kind of raging sh!t fit about. It's like you alienate yourself from the experience and all I see are just these endlessly long posts with no human being behind all of them. It's pretty creepy and soulless and I don't really see the *point* of all of this.

Are you one of these people who hates their job so much, who is all compassion and peace and love during during the day, and then spews out all the poison she's sucked out of people onto these boards? Or maybe you love your job so much and aren't sure what the hell to do with all the crap you have to deal with, the wounded healer who becomes like an asp biting herself?
Is it like a split personality thing with you, or what?

posted January 25, 2009 11:42 PM            

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posted January 26, 2009 12:02 AM            

The idea of suicide and depression is not as bad as you would think. I cud never imagine some crazy nut comparing the happiness of libs and conservatives. I think people who commit suicide are intelligent. Instead of waiting for things to go wrong, they moved and set in to motion that guarantees things will go wrong. i am sure ,t hey really must have had a full life and now exhausted their choices. Hehe..doesn't mean commit suicide. Life is precious. Existence has come to each one of us to experience life. Why die and lose that chance. Perhaps its now or never to have fun.

posted January 26, 2009 08:28 PM            

Again, Venus, read The Feminine Mystique. Many women in the 1950s (when they were "happy" stay at home moms) were drugged up on Valium and Vicodin and Barbituates just to be able to make it through the day without wanting to scream from boredom. The "Western Woman Depression" thing is a misconception. Women are now more vocal about their depression which is why they seem unhappier.

And that website? It's a crock of **** . It's just another MRA site trying to get women to go back to the kitchen and out of the workforce. I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to take away our right to vote too.

posted January 26, 2009 09:17 PM            

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Ignorance is bliss. I doubt women are any more depressed than they were back before the second wave womens movement.
Again, Venus, read The Feminine Mystique. Many women in the 1950s (when they were "happy" stay at home moms) were drugged up on Valium and Vicodin and Barbituates just to be able to make it through the day without wanting to scream from boredom. The "Western Woman Depression" thing is a misconception. Women are now more vocal about their depression which is why they seem unhappier.

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Women Under The Influence
http://books.google.com/books?id=Aiwdx4k4uNoC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=dolls+1950s+tranquilizers&source=web&ots=FDZPVazA6y&sig=wbrW0SGkW1qf4qI8a9Yn2K_ll2o&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resn um=1&ct=result

It was not Vicodin, but Valium, Librium, and so forth back then.

The Rollings Stones
had a song that I feel fits too many of the pre-feminist women of my parent's generation.
The 1950s/early 60s "Donna Reed" clones with their faux pearl necklaces, Lysol douching, and they felt naked without a corset like girdle on and lipstick just to do housework.
The "little woman" who felt she was a terrible wife if she didn't iron her husband's undershirts and shorts and have dinner ready and a big smile (often of fake joy) when husband got home from work. Sex was a chore and she used it as a bargaining tool.

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"Mother's Little Helper"

What a drag it is getting old
"Kids are different today,"
I hear ev'ry mother say
Mother needs something today to calm her down
And though she's not really ill
There's a little yellow pill
She goes running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
And it helps her on her way, gets her through her busy day
"Things are different today,"
I hear ev'ry mother say
Cooking fresh food for a husband's just a drag
So she buys an instant cake and she burns her frozen steak
And goes running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
And two help her on her way, get her through her busy day
Doctor please, some more of these
Outside the door, she took four more
What a drag it is getting old
"Men just aren't the same today"
I hear ev'ry mother say
They just don't appreciate that you get tired
They're so hard to satisfy, You can tranquilize your mind
So go running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
And four help you through the night, help to minimize your plight
Doctor please, some more of these
Outside the door, she took four more
What a drag it is getting old
"Life's just much too hard today,"
I hear ev'ry mother say
The pusuit of happiness just seems a bore
And if you take more of those, you will get an overdose
No more running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
They just helped you on your way, through your busy dying day

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posted January 27, 2009 04:54 AM              

I haven't been around for quite a while. Tell me, how long has Ann Coulter been a member of LL?

posted January 29, 2009 05:52 AM              

If as per official records in 1996 70 % of Jailbirds are Single mom creations....then it means that 70 % of the men who commit rapes, domestic violence,paedophilia and like acts of kindness that they learn from their invisible or visible but useless dads..as a production of the single Mom social experiment too

and thats not just me saying that. Oprah and Dr. Phil said that too on a special on DV. Most DV victims choose boyfriends and spouses who dont know how to love a woman given their mommies had a new love every weekend - thus vent their own frustrations on women .

And the women drawn to such losers are girls who have daddy issues of their own and low self-esteem so as to approve of such an abusive person in the first place.

posted January 29, 2009 05:54 AM              

With the slight twist thaat we are conservative feminist .

Only, we have been in the dark of our own feminism since we have been fighting the Satanic spawn that is called American Liberal Feminism, that I now choose to diss as Pussynism ( pun intended ) - which is infact a call for ONLY rights for women and also that any rights of men also be stolen and passed onto women out of charity - not because women have proven themselves to be deserving of these liberties - because ..well they want them.

And , as an extraordinary woman once said..

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We need to restore the full meaning of that old word, duty. It is the other side of rights. ~Pearl Buck

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as did an extraordinary man...

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To renounce liberty is to renounce being a man, to surrender the rights of humanity and even its duties”

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That is all the simplicity my 3 college degrees leave me capable of - to make something so clear to a bunch of 3 yr old pussy-nists who are whining bloody murder when being told that like EQUAL Rights - Duties and their execution - imply a FREE WOMAN.

All i am guilty of is therefore , by the force of habit,of treating a bunch of FREE Women with rights ,on EQUAL footing as i would treat MAN. I actually thought it would be a travesty to not do so , for it implies...

That women are so strong as to deserve rights , yet so weak as to deserve to be excused from their Duties .

God forbid, i assumed , surely women who fought and took their freedom from the secret , underground conspiracy theory they called the PATRIARCHY would be most ****** if i did not follow through and treat them EQUALLY as i would treat a MAN who makes a mess of himself and his progeny.

I for one have seen any fraternal failures by the male of our species be widely advertised, be it rape or murder,failure to pay 5000 $ to raise a child when a few hundred is what the empowered mother needs to do so, if at all she is incacpble of earning the the same herself.

Thus i also thought it most urgent to advertise the FACT that Women, being equals, have in fact done far better and have the distinction of being as abusive of their offspring , statistically even more so - 4 times as much.

And , also assuming that Women had not been so utterly inferior as to bail on their duties - i proceeded to make this travesty of a thread,among many others, that treat women EQUALLY - on par with men.

How utterly dumb of me.

Liberal Pussies ( pun again ) - who sell themselves as " Feminists " are not so in fact and practice - dummy me - they want more and more rights for themselves but talk about duties and they turn into violent, scary , clawing hissyfit cats - the solace of many a lonely,aging liberal feminist who believes that marriage is a conspiracy to be avoided at all costs.

On the other hand exemplary women like Phyllis Schaffly,Christine Summers, Ann Coulter, Nancy Levant and like are disowned by the liberal pussy-nists - not quite unlike a PATRIARCH would disown a daughter guilty of siring a B@stard.

Because...we conservative feminists actually DARE take their duties as seriously as they take their rights...oooooh the horrors....call the sisters, we must enact a legislation making it illegal for a woman to even suggest that WOMAN as liberated individuals stake claim to their duties rather than toss them in the garbage like some girls do their unwanted b@stards .

So all in all - my crime stands thus.

Guilty as charged for treating inferior, self-deluded pussynists, like i would treat a REAL feminist

Mea Culpa, girls - Mea Culpa.

Moral of the exercise ?

Do NOT expose weak gutted pussynists with the maturity and debating style of a 3 yr old to the harsh glare of Female committed atrocities or self inflicted social destabilisation - for they are incapabable of digesting or even debating with Facts or Sane Logic.

i mean WHAT 3 yr old girl understands that FACTS are what prove the truth - not screechy rantings of irrational emotion and narcissistic self-entitlement