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Topic: DEPRESSION OF WESTERN WOMEN ..... Liberals.
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venusdeindia unregistered
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posted January 29, 2009 05:56 AM
The below , therefore is intended for REAL Feminists that are capable of digesting and debating with FACTS and LOGIC.Liberated Pussynists , who are phobic of women being responsible - refrain from reading on or i am not accountable for your trauma. In the past 5 years two rapists who had murdered their female vicitms were given the death penalty - instead of life sentence - because our organisation in conjunction with other womens groups started an online petition campaign to pressure the Supreme court . When it came to our notice that a woman had killed her husband and children to marry her illicit lover - we made sure the courtss sentenced her to death and that her lawyers and nutjob feminist farusd would not get her out of it on grounds of her being unhappy with her sex-life. See, we didnt want our own crazy, killing mommy epidemic - like the one in the U.S. where mommies that kill get a slap on their wrists because they are weak,inferior women - instead of being strong,empowered men - for we believe and practice EQUALITY of the sexes. But - get this, the mommy denied her counsel and nutjob feminist requests to ask for a reprieve on grounds of insanity. She stood in court and declared that she was guilty and would do it again and that she takes full RESPONSIBILITY for her crimes. Beat that American Pussy-nists , Women can actually be RESPONSIBLE for their own acts. We also campaigned that a rape trial that can stretch for years ,given our skant legal infrastructure be completed in 3 months max - out of a desire to avoid traumatising the woman for years with the proceedings. Now that we have learnt that in fact a good 25 % of Rape accusations in our country are False we are attemting to reverse it , or make sure the police has in place safeguards to avoid sending an innocent man to prison and destroying his family. Interesting the so called feminists in the U.S in fact attempt to beat the bush , look away or lie through their teeth when confronted with the FACT that , like Kobe Byrant, approx 50 % of rapists are innocent men on a false charge - as evidenced by 3 separate, unrelated studies in 3 different social organisations.....ooohhh spooky. which means these women who call for Gender Equality are practising a Doctrine of Inequality - Women are NOT equal to men....yikes... Women are in fact so NOT equal to men that these self-proclaimed feminists who said women would make career advances to shame the Everest - actually enacted legislations that call for MEN to pay for the rest of their lives the women who were once their wives - after they have freed themselves form the oppresssion of marriage and the financial dependence that is responsible for INEQUALITY in the first place.We dont just have a right to child support for HIS kids but even for the children that are NOT from hubbys sperm bank - thats right we all have a right to ask for child support for a child we conceived in an adulterous fling - beat that 
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venusdeindia unregistered
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posted January 29, 2009 05:56 AM
How utterly ......illogical ? .... plain dumb ?.........hilarious ?......fill in your thoughts please ....Now after 3 decades of husbands getting taken to the cleaners..and statistically half the male population being on a marriage strike ( refusing to get married, now and ever ) given they have seen their fathers get raped in court and have their childern stolen from them because somehow the fraud feminists think women are NOT equal to men when it comes to being parents - so they deserve a pass . Well, now that very few men are lining up to be one half of the married that get divorced and degraded - the feminists , starting with the U.K. are now campaigning for live-in girlfriends to be eligible for spousal maintenance ,child support AND alimoney....
Basically these self-procalimed feminists think us all to be FRIGGIN PROSTITUTES , who need to milk every man who dares share a bed and his feelings with us , if at all. All thats going to happen is that sex Tourism and Hook ups will be what relationships will be all about , and the girls who really want to be wives will be reduced to serving as free fcukdolls beacuse few man are so dumb as to risk total annihilation - and because these liberal feminists think that we are sooo INEQUAL to men we need to be PARASITIC for our sustainance on them.
What a liberating thought, why the hell am i breaking my balls studying for my third college degree in addition to training to be an Export executive - i should just move in with an old rich man, make it look to my friends like its serious ( when it maybe a casual fling ) and one month later dump him and head to nearest N.O.W. office asking to be represented for my CAUSE - to recompensate myself for letting him fcuk me.
All in the name of women's rights - that wives have a " Right " to the same lifestyle they had while married. All the same snorting at women who choose to marry men who are equals in eductaion and social class - rather than out of a romantic fixation - Did you ever see such a curious Circus of Hypocrisy ...of course you have - its the mainstream western culture for crying out loud  And if you dont agree to it - you are challenging their EQUALITY with women who dare make responsible decisions keeping the good of all concerned in mind. And that makes you an expendable dartboard for the cause . Only you have nothing to fear because they cant come with anything that makes sense or cant be googled into being a LIE. 
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posted January 29, 2009 09:05 AM
quote: why the hell am i breaking my balls studying for my third college degree
I dunno really, why are you? You seem uncertain about your choices for one so vocal. I suggest getting a proper job and some life experience under your belt and then I'll listen to your thoughts about women. IP: Logged |
venusdeindia unregistered
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posted January 29, 2009 11:20 AM
This is a multi thread reply to those who are whining at my calling b@stards ....well b@stards.The fact is it IS the english language Oxford dictionary term for a child born out of wedlock and is used in forner colonies of the Queen - just like it was used in literature and in practical life . b@stard is NOT a SLUR. It is only the dictionary term . Unfortunately , thax to liberal political correction or rather pussification of cultural communication campaign it has become politically incorrect to use. As if children with stable parental figures and b@stards are EQUAL. If anything the above material proves just how very , very INEQUAL the differences are and the logic i have been given by the whining hearts of our Lady Liberty - just as they are given by any liberal douchebag is... " We know b@stards are not EQUAL to regular children but lets not rub it in "
 Same goes for the term " single mother " - an attempt to make who were formerly termed wh0res or mistresses look like they are EQUALS on par with mothers and wives . even when they are single handedly siring all that makes the cream of Lowest denominator - the ones we sustain with hardearned tax money. that is our reward for being responsible. Because Liberal Socialist pussies think we are EQUAL to those whose lives are a MESS of gargantaum proportions. And NO , these single whatsits are NOT mothers let alone be EQUAL to mothers.
A mother is that being who loves her children in her heart before they are evn conceived - so much so she makes sure she has all that he/she needs once on their way is in place - a loving union between the parents, a secure home ,educationa nd future.
i am NOT going to insult my Mother or any mother by implying that they are EQUAL TO - A pathologically dumb,narcissitic excuse of womanhood who thinks and acts from her Vagina - and creates her family out of the inability of keeping her knees together - and decides to keep the baby when she doesnt know which one of the many junkies,players abd badboys is the father - one who is so narcissistic she has a baby when she is no position able to give him a life worth living unless a hard - working tax payers most of whom are male pay for it - and all this to fill the hole inside her heart where a loving parental relationship would have been. To hell with EQUALITY - i am going to make sure i make myself ineligible for taxation - i will donate my hard earned cash to a women education programmes rather than sponsor a third of the nations choicest worst of human genetics....i mean b@stards.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/
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How To Diagnose If A Community Is Declining point no . 4 Determine if the general use of language is losing discipline, for this can only mean the general use of thought is also losing discipline, which is a decay of understanding. Such a result is indicated by the disappearance of plain speaking from citizens' sentiments. An undeniable symptom of the malaise is the deliberate use of more words than necessary, such as invoking "at this moment in time" instead of "now", or "the state of the art" instead of "latest". And the addition of surplus words such as converting a "riot" into a "riot situation" and "opportunity" into "a window of opportunity". As well as the blurring of meaning caused by the popular adoption of vague words like "situation, position" and now (circa 2003) "focus". The less precise our language the less precise our thoughts, and the less precise our thoughts the more vague our language; which is a self-sustaining cycle of increasing weakness of understanding
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2009 01:57 PM
hi venus, glad to see you are finally speaking at least partially for yourself - though with all those degrees is it too much to ask that you make it obvious when you are quoting (and whom) and when it is you speaking? it is not really clear from ANY of the above though i can hazard a guess...a simple quotation mark clears this up completely.as for the women who got so irate with you in response to your VERY VEHEMENT tone putting down ALL single mothers and acting as if you know something about motherhood (from all you say i assume you are a virgin and not a mother!?)...not one of the women on this board has avoided her duties ONE IOTA. they married the fathers of their children, and though their criteria might not be yours, they dealt with the consequences of their choices and have spent the time since becoming single mothers making sure that their children had everything they needed. i hope for your sake that the man you plan to marry does not fall on hard times that expose a weakness of character you had not foreseen. but it does happen to some of us. do you think a woman being beaten to a pulp in front of her children should allow this to continue in the name of family unity? have you ever met a man you could beat to a pulp without getting restrained or beaten back? i had a boyfriend once who tried to hit me, and in the process broke his own hand on the arm i put up to protect my face. on his return from the hospital he said "LOOK what YOU did!!" he was not my boyfriend very long after that i can assure you. but the reason these laws err on the side of violence against women is that there is an unequal physical strength situation underlying most cases! i applaud you for working for EQUAL rights for men AND women. not one or the other. women's lib was never supposed to be just for women, you know. a lot of men have been liberated by it too, freed of the pressure of bringing home all the bacon, freed to spend more time with their children; and most importantly probably, freed to have an equal relationship with a woman who is not completely dumbed down by spending ALL her time with babies and children... i know a lot of men who wouldn't have it any other way. it is mostly those who want to be BOSS at home who have a problem with "liberated" wives... no one here wants UNEQUAL rights for women. if you slander people they frequently respond with anger. i don't know why an educated, principled woman like you can't understand the reaction you got here. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2009 02:11 PM
I hate to see the word "logic" thrown around so illogically. One who was logical would not irrationally assume she could win an argument or win people over by lacing her explosively emotional argument with insults. She couldn't do her argument/cause a worse disservice.IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2009 02:48 PM
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Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 12:44 PM
I didn't know Venusdeindia was like this! sheesh! A very attractive woman on the outside,but not one on the inside. I feel that the inside more important than the outside.As a male with strong feminine traits(even very feminine finger ratio - longer index finger than ring finger with verified high estrogen levels and lower than average testosterone levels), I believe in gender equality and I am liberal feminist. I became a member of NOW last June,and I also donate monthly to the Equality Action Fund. Liberal feminism is based on gender equality. It's not about vicitimization because I get mistaken for being gay because of my feminine traits and been called gay slurs, I became sympathetic to the gay cause. Therefore,I also support gay rights and gay marriage. I was illegitmately born(yeah..I am a b-a-s-t-a-r-d),and I am not ashamed of it) to a 17 year old white girl and 30 year old black man in the very liberal and diverse city of San Francisco,CA. I grew up in the diverse city of Sacramento,CA which was recognized as the most racially integrated of the major US cities in 2002. Frederick Douglass,the abolutionist and a former slave, the son of white man and a black slave woman, was a feminist too,and he married a white feminist woman for his 2nd wife. My exgirlfriend is white feminist,but she and I aren't together because her mom is woman that actually hates men because my exgirlfriend's father cheated on her and left her with no money to take care of my exgirlfriend and her sister. She doesn't want her daughters being with men at all. I think that it's wrong to hate a whole group of people because of a few people. My mom was shot by a black man,but she doesn't hate all black men. Just because a few bad apples are bad doesn't mean the whole tree is bad. It would make no sense to hate me. I don't fit male stereotypes any way with my strong feminine traits and my neurodivergence. She should judge me by my character after meeting me in person,talking to me,getting to know me and not by my gender. I think that anybody that hates a whole group of people based on a few are people that already had a great capacity for hate in the first place. I understand that a lot of males are jerks, but that doesn't mean that all males are jerks. There are a lot of nice males too. Being jerk is not just a male thing. Jerks can be of both sexes. There are females that screw males over just like there are males that screw females over. I have definitely been hurt by females including my exgirlfriend,but I don't hate females. I have dealt with racism with whites,but I don't hate whites. I have dealt with crap from neurotypicals,but I don't hate neurotypicals. That's because I don't hate people based on a few people of a group. I refrain from bigotry. Being a bigot against people that are bigots towards me doesn't make any sense. Reverse sexism,reverse racism are just as wrong. I get annoyed with black racists against whites just like I get annoyed with female sexists against males and vice versa. It makes no sense. I believe in reincarnation too. I believe that I had both male and female pastlives as well as pastlives as being white,black,asian,and other races. My mom never knew her mother. She tried to give her up for adoption, but my grandfather kept her. He wasn't into giving up his children. My grandfather told me that my grandmother,who already had a daughter,married him for his allotment check when he was in the marines. He told me that she wanted out of the marriage because she got pregnant with my mother. He ended up remarrying and had 4 children with his 2nd wife. I can understand both sides.
I don't think liberals are better than conservatives nor do I believe that conservatives are better than liberals. That's with any group contrasted with another group. my main concern is equal rights for neurodivergent people. Too many of us are looked as defective......especially many neurodivergent children are on psychiatric meds including even antipsychotics like Risperdal because they don't fit inside the box. I feel that my life purpose is to be a neurodiversity advocate.
I will always be a liberal,and I will die a liberal. Liberalism isn't based on whining nor victimhood. Liberalism is based on the belief of equal/civil rights for all. It's about accepting and tolerating diversity and treating your fellow human beings with respect and not looking down on them.
Also a whiner in one person's eyes can be an advocate in another person's eyes. It depends on one's point of view. As for me, the word,whine is not in my vocabulary. I never used it. To me, it's a word that is overly used just like the word,stupid that many people use for people that don't share their views.
Self-righteous hypocrisy and intolerance of diversity are the greatest problem on our planet imho.
Raymond
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LEXX Moderator Posts: 4625 From: Still out looking for Schr�dinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 02:05 PM
Glaucus  Great reply!  I being also not considered a normal gendered person, totally agree with you here: quote: my main concern is equal rights for neurodivergent people. Too many of us are looked as defective......especially many neurodivergent children are on psychiatric meds including even antipsychotics like Risperdal because they don't fit inside the box. I feel that my life purpose is to be a neurodiversity advocate.
Just as you are a neurodiversity rights advocate.....I am an advocate for the rights of intersex folks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex Also.... I know plenty of very good caring decent folks who were not born to married women.venusdeindia's bigotry and hatred is quite revolting indeed. PS. Her use of the word b@stard was/is clearly used as a slur and insult, very degrading. She defended her use of the word, stating that it is in the dictionary. Well it is; but as one can see; it is still offensive, and she used it as a serious insult to innocent children born to unmarried women. And to anyone choosing to bear a wanted and loved child as a single mother. (no love or compassion, or tolerance from her) Definitions of: quote: b@stard Noun 1. Informal offensive, an obnoxious or despicable person 2. Archaic or offensive a person born of parents not married to each other 3. Archaic or offensive illegitimate by birth
The word b!tch is in the dictionary too.... but calling someone that is an insult. ------------------ Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain. IP: Logged |
LEXX Moderator Posts: 4625 From: Still out looking for Schr�dinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 03:22 PM
I find it interesting that VDI believes in protecting the unborn children from being aborted. However.... is that only for married women carrying a child? Or does she believe the unborn of all unmarried women should be aborted? I mean, after all.... She hates such b@stards, as she enjoys sadistically calling them......and all single mothers she calls even worse names. Who made her think she is the judge jury and a wannabe executioner of all whom she looks down upon? Oh that's right..she is a Reiki master healer and is spiritually advanced.....all not of her ilk or to her liking, must all be the lowest of humanity because she has said so. Same fruitcake attitude as I posted elsewhere about the Planned Parenthood protesters. protesting abortion.... will find my post on that. venusdeindia on abortion: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/010280.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/010280-2.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/010689.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/010689-3.html Edit to add: I said: quote: In my area it is very "Bible Beltish". The right to lifers even protest the Planned Parenthood. I have gone up to these protesters and asked if they would adopt the unwanted children. Answers range from.. no...its black... to even... no way would I want to adopt a crack smoking sl-t's ba$tard brat ! That's what foster care is for you "blank(insert racial slur) lover! Uh huh. These narrow minded bigots think scaring teens with Bible quotes will stop them from having sex. Sex ed has been protested too and hobbled. And STD's and pregnancy are on the rise. Teens who use to go to Planned Parenthood and or free clinics for condoms are afraid to now. The holier than thou would harrass and or assault them  PS. Oddly the protesters I have encountered are/WERE ALL white ULTRA CONSERVATIVE WELL OFF TWO PARENT FAMILY Christians. If their kids mess up they secretly "take care of the "problem".. what a bunch of hypocrites! 
And venusdeindia sounds just like those self righteous bigots! Call the mothers and children (once born) all kinds of nasty things....Spit on them, ridicule them, look down on them..... but oh my....do not abort any of the unborn.
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LEXX Moderator Posts: 4625 From: Still out looking for Schr�dinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 03:54 PM
Additionally...she has yet to directly answer my question on how she feels about Gay or Lesbian parents. I think we can all make a guess as to her answer to that issue already!  IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 04:14 PM
LEXX she has yet to answer much of anyone's questions or observations, apart from more quotes and then MORE.i too have seen some of venus's other posts and though i never saw this vitriol coming it seems to me that this is not the only area in which she sees herself superior, her soulmate posts indicate that she considers herself quite advanced spiritually, and therefore privileged to have met her "soulmate"... spiritually advanced people do not indulge in this kind of venom, spite or exclusion of whole groups of people ESPECIALLY when they know a miniscule portion of that group themselves. there ARE single mothers who get into bad places thinking the govt will bail them out. i pity the woman who thinks she can live and/or raise children on welfare. ask whoopi goldberg...there just is not enough aid available to make a life on!! but i think the majority of single mothers becomes so with the best possible intentions and many of them do a GREAT JOB despite the odds against them. let's not pretend it is easy to raise a child on your own, even with a good job... i did it and many of you did it, but venus has no ears for truth on this topic, only dogma. and so i am boycotting any more of these threads until she is willing to TALK rather than soapbox on the s ubject. IP: Logged |
LEXX Moderator Posts: 4625 From: Still out looking for Schr�dinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 06:20 PM
katatonic quote: her soulmate posts indicate that she considers herself quite advanced spiritually, and therefore privileged to have met her "soulmate"...
She has? I did not see that. On the soulmate issue... I feel I have my soulmate, but that does not make me better or more spiritually advanced, just very lucky! I went through alot of bad relationships before I finally found the one for me. And I still feel we all have more than one anyhow. Yeah, her take on single mothers is disgusting to say the least. Like I said before... does that include wealthy single women? Widows? Lesbians? Career women who have not found or may not want a mate, but can afford to have a wanted child? And again...I ask her...should the ones she calls wh0res and s!uts and worse....should they abort their unborn b@stards as she would call them once born).....? I am utterly shocked at Ms high and mighty and her venomous words of pure hatred for the innocent children even.  PS. Which leads to another question for her... Sperm banks and sperm donors. Opinion? IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 31, 2009 12:09 PM
well i may have misunderstood but that was the impression i got, that she felt she had met her soulmate because she has worked through so much of her karma she deserves it... willing to be corrected if wrong.IP: Logged |
LEXX Moderator Posts: 4625 From: Still out looking for Schr�dinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 31, 2009 01:02 PM
katatonic  Please Let me know if you find the post. Sounds interesting! Thanks!  ------------------ Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain. IP: Logged |
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posted February 02, 2009 05:00 AM
Just stating my views.I won't trust Statistics used in debate, they are not mathematical. The condition of women is very negative world wide. [except perhaps in Scandinavia?] USA minus [drugs, alcohol, Bush Crime Family ] has to be the Greatest Nation in the world today, everyone is looking to USA to help the world come out of recession. A True Story. The lady who washes dishes in my house was forced into a mraaige with her cousin, The human beast sired 3 kids and then dumped her for another woman. She works 14 hrs a day to raise her kids and some years later the beast decides to come back to her once a week. Two days back he beats up her senseless accusing her of having an affair! Their hut is just 100 meteres away from my house, it wont take me much time to report to the cops [who are just quarter of a mile away] BUT even if I play the hero, the lady herself will give false evidence to the courts on pressure from her family. Her son is 14, studying well and has promised me that he will never abandon his mom. This inspite of the psychological scarring. Had this been America, we could have arranged atleast a restraining order. In Pakistan and Middle East Countries, most girls have almost no choice in selecting thier husband. It is true about acid attacks in India, very little can be done about it. So things are bad for women everywhere, this is the curse that befell the planet as a whole for eons. Single Mom's kids may commit more crimes on average but the reason is definitely the Y-Chromosome. Anyway, all humanity is related, no point in judging anyone, we must sincerely pray for the betterment of all nations. Hi Venus De India, You have Transit Asteroid AMERICA conjunct Transit HEKATE conjuncting retro Uranus, which is also being squared by transit ORCUS and since Tr Pluto opp Sun has started taking effect, there could be extreme imbalance in views especialy related to America. You have Tr Kaali conjunct Natal Pluto next week. Meaning, time to chill out, no point in taking sides of any view to cause further imbalance [Kundalinic Imbalance etc. ] Let the transits pass, truth will automatically unfold in the coming weeks. Cheers All! IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 02, 2009 12:36 PM
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LEXX Moderator Posts: 4625 From: Still out looking for Schr�dinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 02, 2009 01:04 PM
quote: Single Mom's kids may commit more crimes on average but the reason is definitely the Y-Chromosome.
The link between violence and the Y chromosome(male, normal) has not been established. It is still a topic of some debate, only in rare cases of YY and gene abnormalities and so forth. As for single mothers having more children involved with crime....I think that not enough population/nor diversity of areas/regions, are being analyzed, thus botching the stats.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3480 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted February 02, 2009 05:48 PM
We're all responsible for ourselves when it's all said and done, and there's no real statistic for that because it's damn near impossible to measure. IP: Logged |
LEXX Moderator Posts: 4625 From: Still out looking for Schr�dinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 02, 2009 07:23 PM
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posted February 03, 2009 06:00 AM
Totally agree VenuddeIndia with the womens health issue.Add the contraceptive pill, Flouride and toxins in food and women are definitely the ones to suffer first due to a complex hormone system. IP: Logged |
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posted February 03, 2009 08:44 AM
I wish there was some way to keep iq's cleaning lady safe. I worry about her and her son.IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 03, 2009 02:32 PM
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posted February 04, 2009 05:28 PM
re: .. ** I wish there was some way to keep iq's cleaning lady safe. I worry about her and her son**the fact that ~ Iqhunk ~ is around her at times .. gives me hope regarding her well-being .. IP: Logged |
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posted February 05, 2009 04:11 AM
Dear HappyD and Sunshine, Can you believe that they made up ?! There is also some sort of unwritten pact that he will not hit his son. Their immediate neighbours also woke up to the issue, they have promised her refuge should anything go wrong again.Maybe the genuine thoughts and well wishes from all you guys helped change things faster? Genuine empathy [without causing us to feel depressed] can really work wonders. IP: Logged | |