posted September 28, 2004 11:10 AM         

You are right, if we did reach a point of certitude. We would have been enlightened.

I thought about it and realized that Jesus was speaking about the drama of creation unfolding when the God in each will be become the God of All.

posted September 30, 2004 12:44 AM         

I don't think he meant that the kingdom of heaven was coming soon, I think he meant that it is *here* now. That divinity is within us, and that heaven and hell are on earth- quite literally.

But that is pretty much my personal interpretation- take it or leave it.

There is a word for the school of thought that divinity is within and and one for god being 'out there' but I forgot what they are. Anyone know? It's on the tip of my toungue.

posted September 30, 2004 09:43 AM         

You are right. It is within us. Just to add to it. The one of each will become the All. Thats what Jesus meant I think.

This would mean that the transmuted body would have freedom to travel anywhere earth or heaven above

We can fly like birds then.

posted September 30, 2004 10:33 AM         

Soul does not carry weight. Its light.

Thats the power of resurrection that Jesus spoke of. He is the first. When he comes next, 125000 people would in a twinking of eye be transmuted in to a different type of body.
(I am quoting book of Revelation. Please check the number though?)

posted October 03, 2004 03:01 PM         

O World Invisible, we view thee
O World Intangible, we touch thee
O World unknowable, we know thee
In-apprehensible, we clutch thee!

Does the fish soar to find the ocean,
The eagle plunge to find the air-
That we ask of the stars in motion
If they have rumour of thee there?

Not where the wheeling systems darken,
And our benumbed conceiving soars!-
The drift of pinions, would we hearken,
Beats at our own clay-shuttered doors.

The angels keep their ancient places;-
Turn but a stone, and start a wing!
'Tis ye, 'tis your estranged faces,
That miss the many-splendoured thing.

But(whenst so sad thou canst not sadder)
Cry;- and upon thy so sore loss
Shall shine the traffic of Jacob's Ladder
Pitched betwixt Heaven and Charing Cross.

Yea, in the night, my soul, my daughter,
Cry,- clinging Heaven by the hems;
And lo, Christ walking on the water,
Not of Genesareth, but Thames!

posted October 04, 2004 10:02 PM         

and welcome...

posted October 04, 2004 10:21 PM         

Good point. Carts before the horses
I have edited the post. I didn't realize I put those words there.

The point is, I cannot explain, the nature of the transmuted body. It would be shaped like our physical body.
Yet not have substance in it. It will have an efflugence (hope I got the spelling right. sorry sesame). And ofcourse the soul would initiate the transmutation. It inturn will gets its initiation from ____ at the beginning of _______

Humans would not taste death anymore.

Ok...guys this is just one of my Neptune fantasy

posted October 04, 2004 10:44 PM         

Glorius Ruler of the "I"

Swirling twirling

Delusion illusion

Lying deceiving

...until we die.

posted October 05, 2004 01:07 AM         

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Meili,
Good point. Carts before the horses
I have edited the post. I didn't realize I put those words there.

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Well, since the post was edited this is my first confusion. I believe it was about being light? Maybe you guys are saying we are bodies now, and light later, but by talking about the horse before the cart you are saying we were Light before, but the statements were reversed? However, if we are light after, then the horse is after hte cart. My point is I'm confused. Really, we can only "see matter" and hence who's to say we aren't light as well - we just can't see it. Not to mention colours - auras etc. I was thinking recently of a wolrd where you couldn't see matter - just the energy pouring from all dense energy forms into each other. Swirling. Colourful. Beautiful. Our "Matter" just makes it easier to see where we end and begin. If there is not time, then why can't the horse be infront of the cart? It just time-traveled.

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The point is, I cannot explain, the nature of the transmuted body. It would be shaped like our physical body. Yet not have substance in it. It will have an efflugence (hope I got the spelling right. sorry sesame).

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Now I'm confused why you're sorry. I also don't know where this came from. Weren't you talking about the Kingdom of God? Maybe you're referring to a different thread? Maybe you're still speculating about the shape of the soul? In which case, I agree, it could be shaped like our "Material" bodies, but who's to say really? What is substance anyway? Maybe a slower vibration? In any case it's really all relative. "No substance" relative to our "physical substance" but what of entities that have less substance than our souls?

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And ofcourse the soul would initiate the transmutation. It inturn will gets its initiation from ____ at the beginning of _______

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I don't understand this part at all. Not that I have to.

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Humans would not taste death anymore.

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So this makes me think you're back to the Kingdom. In which case, yeah, maybe no one ever dies when they're with God in his Kingdom, but really, I don't understand this either. I believe immortality exists in our current existence and of course as an ethereal form immortality is the only answer - there is no time. How can you age in no-time? Only on Earth are we so immersed in the notion of time that to comprehend notime outside of Earth is difficult, but actually exrtemely simple. There is no day or night - only here. So in the "Kingdom of God" there would be even more notime.

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Ok...guys this is just one of my Neptune fantasy

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Are you a Pisces? That would certainly make more sense to me about the questions and statements you make. I'm trying to understand what you are trying to understand and get the feeling you are confused. But then, I think many people are. Maybe you are just more apparant and open. I have Neptune in my first house which helps me remain confused for long periods of Earthly rotations.

I hope this helps clarify how I feel. I'm just trying to understand, as I'm sure everyone does.

posted October 05, 2004 11:39 PM         

English is a second language to me. I hate to type. I do my best to express in words.

I do not wish to add to confusion.
Einstein said the greatest talent anyone can have is imagination. And the journey I undertook and where I was at, those were the thoughts I was thinking. Meili is right, I just put it out for recording my thoughts. I don't keep a journal. I thought I would use Lindaland as a Journal. Sometimes, I do visit back and go thru what I have said. The only think constant in this world is change itself. May be my thinking is right 80% after a year or may be its off 80%. Life is about change isn't it. If it wasn't, the entire discourse of life would have been given to one group of people on earth. But its not. (Hmmm it once again ties back to the 'woman baking dough' quote) God is too complex. Meile said it right, we all are collecting wisdom on from each other.

We humans, think we are able to handle all the knowledge. But its impossible given the current state of man and its limitations of the body. I mean we can debate whether a chocolate ice cream tastes good from a human body or transmuted body.
Or may be the transmuted body with its will can develop the same sense, and there is no loss of taste. Or may be the transmuted body does not hunger so eating is not important.

Even Krishna said in Geeta: Do not worry about inner workings of universe, you will go crazy.

Jesus told his disciples: just do your duty that is given to you like the servants does in your house. Would you praise him for going extra mile for you.

I would post a new thread once, I get everyones feedback and even with my progress of my own Journey. I am contemplating to even write a book. Illusive time. Does not stop for anyone.

Sesame, by the way, who is the master you speak of? To me a master is of the calibre of Buddha, Krishna, Jesus. These had some connection during creation and their teachings lasts millennium after millennium. Muhammed, Guru Nanak are all prophets(messenger) of God.

Could you be kind ebought to send me the name of the current master your friend speak of? My curiosity has increased reading your post. You have permission to send me email.

posted October 05, 2004 11:46 PM         

Einstein himself said Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only be converted from one form to the other.

Remember the equation E=mc2

Where E is energy
m is mass
c is speed of light.

This is the basic equation behind atom bombs.

With a small matter(bomb), energy is generated which can destroy city of Hiroshima.

Also enery can be converted in to matter.
For instance. You would have heard about big bang right. Billions of year ago, everything was condensed to the size of tip of needle. There was unlimited energy all in that singleton. Then there was a big explosion. With time, universe started cooling, gases formed, stars formed, some became planets, etc........

The Indian seers say at the base of spine of every human body there is tremendous energy that is lying dormant. This is called Kundalini. This energy can be released with basic exercises that should be practised everyday.

Some people in India now claim they can initiate that energy flow process, without us doing all those boring exercises.
Some say the age of aquarius has started and God has made it little easy for us.

Will add more stuff later.

posted October 06, 2004 01:41 AM         

From "Cosmos", Carl Sagan writes that at one time "The sun was a metaphor for God, around whom all else revolves."
(describing Kepler's joy at introduction into Copernican hypotheses)

Spiral us into modern time and we are aware of an infinate Universe.....expanding to such a distance our minds cannot entirely fathom to measure.
In our microscopes we can see entire worlds unknown to the naked eye.
Modern scientific knowledge still cannot deny the centered being peeking out and within, isolated with the feeling of being an island around which the entire Universe revolves....

and yet.........even an island can still understand that that long ago metaphor of isolated Oneness could expand outwards to reach infinity.

Some believe the Sun is a metaphor for God, and some believe the Sun IS God.
All the energy that eminates from the Stars stir the infinate molecules of the Universe, creating existential realities, moved and stirred by the Solar Breath of God.

Remove Oneself from the center for even a moment......reach outward and inward as it stretches on further.....until you find yourself seemingly in the center again...and there we see we are Stars and Suns just the same......living, breathing and dying in Time. But a Star's energy never really dies, does it?
Its gases and molecules are stirred by the solar breath of itself out into the ethers to meld into the Oneness and create once again.

Just wandering off OUT THERE in thought.

btw...thank you Iam for your nice reflection on Sags. I've been offline for a while.

posted October 06, 2004 11:32 AM         

If I was a poet I would have said

"Center of God is every where and circumference is no where".

posted October 06, 2004 11:42 AM         

My thoughts were wondering......scattered...
but that focused it perfectly.

posted October 06, 2004 03:33 PM         

No I am not a poet. I have short fingers. I tend to make snap decision. Wish I had long fingers. I always admire their attention to detail.

I am more prone to errors. You can see my post. There's tons of spell checks mistake including this post

posted October 06, 2004 08:38 PM         

IAT, you may email me anytime on sesame@linda-goodman.com . I never get any emails so it would be nice I'm sorry, but I do not know the Master's name. I saw a picture though. I will try to get the name so you may look it up. The guy I met said the Master was a person sent by God to relate to men on a personal basis. He said there is always a person in which we can communicate to God more directly, but I guess many of these Masters do not speak up like the Buddha or Jesus. At least not globally. It would be cool to meet such a person but I wouldn't have a clue as to what I'd ask.

In terms of emails and books for that matter/energy, I've come to the realisation that Lindaland is the perfect answer. People can read and respond in "realtime" and hence no waiting. But then, books may hit different markets. However if sharing ideas is all that's needed then you don't have to feel any anxiety about writing a book or anything. You can just come here - to Randall's Spiritual Mall. A term I've come up with recently which I think puts this place in a nutshell.

H&S, yes, Sagan is an awesome author. Cosmos is one of my best science books but I don't think I finished it. Comet is pretty cool, but I don't think I finished that either Have you read "Small Blue Dot"? I think that's the title (by Sagan). Have you read much of Hawking? So many books out there but as IAT said, "Illusive time. Does not stop for anyone."

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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