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Topic: Kingdom of God is coming soon
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Heart&Soul Knowflake Posts: 82 From: Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 07, 2004 01:40 AM
Hi Dean  Yes, Sagan and Hawking are great. Of Sagan's I've read Comet, Cosmos, most of Broca's Brain...but The Dragons of Eden is my absolute favorite! It's about the evolution of human intelligence, have you read it? Hawkings I've read are Universe in a Nutshell and his one on Black Holes. Both write in wonderfully clear ways that everyone can understand. Yes, I find all physics fascinating...from quantum to astro...it all unites, just as energy and matter.......colliding shaping, forming, pulling apart, swirling off some more. Infinately. If there is God, which I believe there is......then I believe God is Energy in its purest form. Why I wrote of the Solar Breath of God. All Energy is God's breath. And I've also always believed that Science may be the gateway to such spiritual discoveries. Science with heart and imagination....and an openness to explore. The most brilliant scientific discoveries were made by scientists at a young age, perhaps because youth is still open to imagination and wonder. Believing of the possibility of things yet unproven and unseen. I've read The Infinate Spectrum and find your theory very thought provoking. Yes, just thinking of what a Light Year in itself really entails: Light travels 186,000 miles per second, and a light year is the distance it travels in a year. !!! Now imagine millions of light years! Amazing is a word that doesn't even seem suitable to describe such a wonder! So, it would make sense that as you say, Light would be infinate, stretching forever in both directions....no end to the waves we have yet to know. And since light is absorbed through different senses...perhaps the infinate ones reach us at a totally telepathic level which we aren't consciously aware. Perhaps our Souls will feel such splendor of Light when it is freed from this 3rd (well, 4th including Time) dimensional existance.  Also, White Light is light in its purist form and if you hold it to a prism, you will then see it holds all the colors of the spectrum within it. I guess then it is no coincidence how sacred White Light is to so many.....and how it is believed to be the Light of the Divine. It is all so amazing to think about. I was unable to download your book as yet...but hope to figure out how and get to read it. Now my mind will find a hard time to shut down tonight......but well worth it. Thanks for the ponderings.  IamThat, fingers and grammatical errors aside......your meaning always comes across well and that's what matters.
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sesame Moderator Posts: 1401 From: Oz Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 07, 2004 03:28 AM
Yes, will add more thoughts on the morrow. I just wanted to add that A Brief History of Time by Hawkings is also awesome. You've inspired me to get back into science fact books. Someday  Dean. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Moderator Posts: 3717 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted October 07, 2004 03:33 AM
Aphrodite Moon,He also said, "Behold, the Kingdom of God is upon you!" IP: Logged |
iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 07, 2004 09:34 PM
Aphrodite and HandS are quoting from different versions of bible. I am listing several translations for readers benefit. MATTHEW 10:7
As you go, preach, saying,'The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!' WEB And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. ASV And, on your way, say, The kingdom of heaven is near. BBE And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of the heavens has drawn nigh. DBY And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. KJV And as ye go, proclaim, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. WBS And as you go, preach and say, 'The Kingdom of the Heavens is close at hand.' WEY And, going on, proclaim saying that, the reign of the heavens hath come nigh; YLT IP: Logged |
sesame Moderator Posts: 1401 From: Oz Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 07, 2004 10:03 PM
OK, so the general consensus is that "The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand". Iamthat, have you heard of the expression "within arms reach"? Do you think it applies here? Now?Dean. IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6244 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted October 07, 2004 11:05 PM
....Arm... hand.... Heart ? 
------------------ If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
sesame Moderator Posts: 1401 From: Oz Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 08, 2004 12:42 AM
In deed.iAmThat, when you said "This energy can be released with basic exercises that should be practised everyday." Were you refering to the five tibetan rites? There is a thread in Health and Healing on these rites. Dean. ps. Hi Juni!  IP: Logged |
Heart&Soul Knowflake Posts: 82 From: Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 08, 2004 10:25 AM
yes, A Brief History of Time...I had forgotten about that one.  "Beyond Einstein: The Cosmic Quest for the Theory of the Universe" is probably my favorite. I'm sure you probably know all about the superstring theory? Fascinating....wonder if it will be proved one day. Sorry to go off topic here...I just get excited when someone else is interested in these things.  Juniperb....believe you are onto something there.  I always felt "close at hand" meant it was already there........just a hope away.   IP: Logged |
iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 08, 2004 10:32 AM
Hi Sesame, No I was speaking of yoga. Its an exercise that is recommended by Indian sages and even Krishna entertained it. I scanned through your documents titled Meaning of Life and the infinite spectrum. Was very interesting. Appreicate where you were coming from.
This universe was made with some fine tuning, Such as speed of light being constant. Electron charge being constant. Or even setting the initial parameters during the big expansion. Or even, the location of the earth at a particular distance from sun. A few thousand miles away. It would have been too cold and life wouldn't have survived. There is definitely some intelligence. No denying that. Someone may argue, that out of billions of planets may be earth is the only one that is sustaining life and we are asking ourselves, the question about our origin because no one else could. Its like naure giving us senses to enjoy her thru our eyes. But then, who would explain, the killing od Dinosaur, Who would explain, our ability to speak. Who would explain, different ways each culture evolved and now trading with each other and rediscovering their oneness. Also, I believe it is not the only universe. There are several universes each seperated by a deep chasm. And just like Galaxies may bump in to each other, they might too. Have you read about string theory and how they were trying to explain big bang? According to string theory the basic particles of all matter are strings either open ended or close loop. They vibrate. Electrons vibrate in particular way hence they are electron. All particles of nature can be explained as vibrations. String theory is the latest tool of modern physisist that tries to explain everything. I don't know how close they are, but they managed to explain all but 2 forces of nature, using the theory.
If we assume that there is one large plane(on a string) containing our universe and another plane, lying side to side. They explain big bang as a collission of the two planes. this universe occurred as a result of that collission at that touchpoint. And this may not be the only collission, there could be many more. The more I think, I come closer to truth the more distant I feel I am. Anyway, God is incomprehensible, we really cannot understand him. Imagine all you can, stretch your mind, still you have grasped nothing of God. Also, I believe its an invalid question to define nothingness. I don't think there is such a thing as nothingness. Do you remember the law of conservation of energy. Thats the basis postulate. Same applies to God I would imagine. You are right about there being beings who can see other, spectral bands. Take sound for example, Humans can only hear minimum 20db and higher of XX. Still there are animals who hear sound much below 20db. Regards
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iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 08, 2004 11:00 AM
Hi Sesame,In response to: ....Have you heard of the expression "within arms reach"? .......... My response:
Yes it is within arms reach. There is a story about how in a village a lady was looking for something outside her house. People gathered, and wondered, what is she searching for. She mentioned she lost her earring. Soon there was a large gathering and everyone tried to help her. One guy said, do you remember where was the last time you remembered seeing it. She replied "It was near my bed". Then someone went inside and found it. The lady was wise, she wanted to teach the people that many times we look for answers in the wrong place (in this case outside) when the problem was really inside (hut). Jesus is preaching that the kingdom of God is amongst you. Each one should be self realized. The sooner it happens the better. Also read the parable of wedding feast. One may find answer to this question thru it.
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iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 08, 2004 11:26 PM
I think Jesus, is pointing us to reach inwards first. Do you remember I mentioned about the seventh chakra at base of spine. The cells there does not change (someone may verify). I think this is the only place where the cells don't renew other than the eyes. Otherwise every single cell of your body renews seven years. The cells there stores all information about you since you were born. This and other marvel is what our human body is made of. Also the bodies and everything in this world are illusive. The bodies are like clothes. Just like you change clothes, the souls change bodies. Jesus is pointing out that, won't you and everyone else like something that is not so illusive. He is pointing us to change ourselves within and then reach outwards. Help your fellow brothers and sisters. He taught, us to be prudent in small matters so that when we die and are given greater responsibility we will do better. If we are not prudent in smaller things, how can we be good in greater things. He wants us to be mindful of the resources we use while we live from birth to death. Not to waste food. Share our richness with poor. He is asking us to lead a life of purity and love. Service to mankind is service to God, is his important message. He understands the needs of our human body, but has also spoken to us his words, which if we keep, he will be there for us. Thats his promise. Peace. IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6244 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted October 08, 2004 11:49 PM
Service to mankind is service to God, is his important message. 
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sesame Moderator Posts: 1401 From: Oz Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 09, 2004 08:48 AM
Heart&Soul, have you read James Gleick? He wrote Chaos and Genius - about Richard Feynman. Have you read any of Richards? He apparantly wrote three physics volumes which incorporate the history of phyisic. He also invented Feynman diagrams which shows the the interaction of QED - in fact, he was one of the three who got the nobel prize for QED. Maybe we should start a new thread regarding awesome scientist of all time, and their discoveries. There's so much out there...iAmThat, well, the tibetan rites are supposed to open the chakras as well. At least I think so. I will get into Yoga someday. Actually, we are having a multicultural day tomorrow that will feature Yoga from 9-11 from a hindu preist after which Tai Chi will go from 11-12. Then there's all sorts of dancing and singing. I hope I get off my but and go. I actually talked my wife into buying yoga mats today but its now 2230 so I might be too tired tomorrow. Please God wake me up and give me the energy to go! Yes string theory is awesome. Just think of the conotations regarding music! I mean, do the strings vibrate? You know, Einstein had his best thoughts playing the violin, and he played piano. I don't think Feynman played anything though. But like, does God play on his superstringed guitar? Yes, the infinite spectrum and the book go hand in hand. To summarise for people who might think the book contains a virus, basically I've mentioned a few things regarding the complexity of creation. To summarize: There are infinite dimensions that overlap according to frequency. Sound, light, and matter are just different vibrations along this same infinite axis of small to large vibrations. We exist on what I've termed the Nth dimension. The dimension of which I spoke is called a "secondary" dimension. Primary dimensions are depth, height, length, and time. I believe the primary dimensions exist on all (infinite) secondary dimensions. I just can't comprehend a fifth primary dimension. Oh, I tell a lie, the book mentions the fifth which I call the "Micro-Macro" dimension. This is the axis for the spectrum as mentioned above. From outside the universe to inside an atom (and vice versa). The end of the Earth is pretty crap really. I just didn't know really what will happen to the world, but I don't think it matters/energies much in the grand scheme of things. It's what we Experience which Matters. Yes, I beleive at hand means we could easily place our hands on it whenever we wish to. You might think you wish to, but then you wouldn't really know what you wish. But then you would at the same time. Jesus in my eyes was an extremely awesome person who really does give us a perfect example of who we should look up to and try to act like. Earths perfect role model. Heaps of Love, Dean. IP: Logged |
iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 09, 2004 07:12 PM
Hi Sesame, I found something interesting on the web about our multidimensional universe and would like to share it with you. You know how space gets warped along massive objects such as earth. The earth or any body actually travels along these spatial space and time. Well I still cant imagine 5th dimension same as you  ====================== Randall, professor of physics at Princeton University, notes that "the theories that I and my colleague, Raman Sundrum, a physicist at Stanford University, have presented draw on ideas which have been central to the study of string theory over the past two decades. Like string theory, the intellectual construct on which we base our space-time concept depends on the existence of extra-dimensions. And like string theory, our theory suggests that the physical world is configured by strings or bands that anchor the particles and forces that fill our universe." But Randall expands upon string theory in this way: Whereas string theorists suggest that gravitons and the force that they carry may be wrapped within tightly bound strings residing in as many 11 dimensions, Randall suggests that gravity--or at least most of it--is found on strings or bands that reside largely in a vast fifth dimension. As a result, gravity exerts a weak force on us not because it is tightly bound in strings but because it is largely insulated from our known reality. In Randall's words, "geography, not compaction, accounts for gravity's weak force."
"Think of ourselves as living in a bubble consisting of three dimensions plus time that floats within a vast multidimensional universe," explains Randall. "Within this physical landscape, three of nature's four elementary forces--electromagnetism and the weak and the strong force--are attached to strings inside the bubble, exerting a force that can be detected and analysed. Nature's fourth elemental force--gravity--is largely attached to strings in another dimension. We can only detect it when gravitons leak into our dimension through the surface or 'branes' of our universe's strings. In short, our multidimensional world consists of bubbles floating within bubbles that are comprised of constituent elements that rarely violate the constituent elements found in other space-time dimensions."
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iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 09, 2004 07:54 PM
Hi Sesame, In response to "But like, does God play on his superstringed guitar?" Do you know of the Hindu God Krishna? He always played flute. I had always told myself and also heard lot of people say "We all play to his music". I am also quoting Feyman: "Feynman often wondered aloud something along these lines: how do the electrons and photons KNOW how to calculate all these possibilities, which we and our big supercomputers can only barely begin to calculate?"
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iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 09, 2004 11:33 PM
I am also quoting Feyman: "Feynman often wondered aloud something along these lines: how do the electrons and photons KNOW how to calculate all these possibilities, which we and our big supercomputers can only barely begin to calculate?"IP: Logged |
iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 10, 2004 12:02 AM
Just to add further on Krishna. Theres a beautiful description of Maya of Krishna. In the battle field, Arjuna wows to avenge death of his son before the end of day (in those days, battles are never fought in night, all men camp after sunset). Clock keeps ticking; Arjuna is anxious, Krishna with his Maya (sanskrit word, its not the english word "illusion", words cannot describe what Maya means) makes the Sun stand still (or was it blocks the sun). My hair raised as I wrote those words there. I am always fascinated by ancient stories. Also if some one read Joshua chapter 10 versus 12,13 an interesting account of only time in history when God hears man (that is sun stands still) is listed. Quite a connection huh? I wonder if Mahabharatha and the event in Joshua occurred at same time? Cheers.
================== Hi an update, I investeigated it, it seems Krishna had created an eclipse of the sun. The soldiers and the enemy (Jaidhrath) disarmed themselves. At that instant Krishna brings back the sun, and Arjuna does not agree to kill an unarmed soldier. Krishna persuades him that these are the same people who laughed at the court and was indifferent to his(Arjuna's) wife Draupadi's plea. You will not be committing sin. Arjuna agrees and kills Jaidhratha. The men his own cousins were trying to undress Draupadi after Arjuna and his brothers had lost in the betting game of Pachisi (Twenty five). I could not find out when Mahabhratha occurred. But the important point is it was an eclipse not time(Sun) standing still  IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6244 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted October 10, 2004 12:20 AM
Another thought about Maya.  Like Shakti ("Energy") and Prakriti ("nature"), Maya is less a Goddess than one of the great philosophic concepts of Indian Hinduism embodied in female form. In Hindu thought, the male energy is essentially passive, while the female is the force of action. Maya is one of those active powers: the constant movement of the universe, pervasive to the atomic level. There is no life -- no existence, even -- without Maya, but she is so powerful that we cannot see the essence of things and mistake her movement for reality. For this reason, Maya is often called "the veil of illusion," the dance of multiplicity that distracts us so that we cannot see all matter as essentially identical. Illusion, however, as the sages have stressed, is not the same as falsehood. Maya is not a negative force, but can be a mesh through which we perceive the ultimate reality of existence -- if we are not distracted by her magnificent creativeness and complexity. 
------------------ If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
Petron Knowflake Posts: 2922 From: Paradise Registered: Mar 2004
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posted October 10, 2004 12:57 AM
John Wheeler assumes that all electrons look the same because they are, indeed, the same electron... Imagine ... the act of creation. Assume that out of the chaos and fire of the Big Bang came only one electron. This electron moves forward in time for billions and billions of years until it arrives at another cataclysmic event - the end of time, or Doomsday. This shattering experience, in turn, reverses the direction of the electron and sends it back in time. When this same electron arrives back at the Big Bang, its direction is reversed once again. The electron is not splitting up into many electrons; it is the same electron that zigzags back and forth like a Ping Pong ball between the Big Bang and Doomsday. Now, anyone sitting between the Big Bang and Doomsday in the twentieth century will notice a large number of electrons and antielectrons. In fact, we can assume that the electron has traveled back and forth enough times to create the sum total of electrons in the universe. (Of course, an object traveling back and forth in space cannot create more than one copy of itself. However, an object going back and forth in time can indeed have copies of itself.... In principle, this effect of going backward and forward in time can be repeated an arbitrary number of times, thereby creating an infinite number of carbon copies in the present.) If this theory is true, it means that the electrons in our bodies are the same electron, the only difference being that my electrons are, say, billions of years older than your electrons. If this theory is correct, it also helps to explain a fundamental principle of chemistry: that all electrons are alike. (A modern-day version of this theory would be to have a one-string universe.) Michio Kaku, Beyond Einstein http://www.deoxy.org/justone.htm ************* it seems evident this theory could apply to all levels of the micro/macrocosm
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Petron Knowflake Posts: 2922 From: Paradise Registered: Mar 2004
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posted October 10, 2004 01:19 AM
the result might be 1 massive wave/ring ascending and descending thru the spectrum of matter, resembling this tetraktys.... http://www.neubert.net/PSETable.html i believe there is a geometric point in the cycle where the head bites the tail......corresponding to the number of a special element ...... IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Moderator Posts: 3717 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted October 10, 2004 08:53 AM
G.B. Shaw wrote:"Meaning is not in things, but in between them." I suggest that the same may be said of the Kingdom of God. IP: Logged |
iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 10, 2004 08:01 PM
HandS - Well said.Petron -. Excellent articles. The idea of a seperate universe of 6 dimensions on the other side of our universe was mind boggling. Does it mean, there are wormholes to these hidden dimensions from anywhere within our universe? Within arms reach as Dean mentioned? All linteresting ideas including wave nature of our universe by Hawking? Wonder which model of universe will ultimately survive?
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iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 10, 2004 08:06 PM
Juniperm - Well said. Yes, thats what Maya is. I also wonder if in nature, the mother God and Father God is revealed and who is passive? It appears in our universe the mother God is subservient (is this same as passive?)IP: Logged |
iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 10, 2004 09:19 PM
Data suggests universe is infact shape of a soccer ball (platonic solid, Dodecahedron)? Hmm that explains the gnostic gospel's birth of universe? Read further : http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/031015032001.htm
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iAmThat Knowflake Posts: 1255 From: third rock from the Sun Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 10, 2004 10:52 PM
Hi Petron,In response to: i believe there is a geometric point in the cycle where the head bites the tail......corresponding to the number of a special element ...... Question: Is this special element found? What were you implying? I noticed the snake like shape of the periodic table, but where is head biting the tail?
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