posted May 19, 2007 11:49 PM         

I think I saw that at www.astrology.com

Just as Scorpio is. Hmm how about pisces, well some fishes are cleaning stations hehehehe. Heh no offense lovely pisceans

Crab, Vulture, etc are all scavengers. That explains my obsession with death. Do I relate myself with the opposite of Neo in the Matrix? Or with Lord Shiva. Or Yama the god of death.

posted May 20, 2007 04:46 AM         

The long arm of Kh"ARMa extends way beyond "what is, and what should never be"".

we are paying our debts and not2 seek reward . Past lives are being played out as they should. We must keep climbling the karma tree untill we are,,, what we are to be.

If no..then one will be sent back ...just 2 start over....don't lose faith in this beautiful wisdom from Linda...

It is SOOO real, it's surreal....

posted May 20, 2007 10:26 AM         

You wouldn't be typing this message if it wasn't for skeptical, practical minds who demand proof."

I don't think that believers are superiors to those who doesn't believe. I think they're lucky to believe as belief in my opinion is a very good thing.

posted May 20, 2007 11:22 AM         

He also gives very practical instructions.

posted May 20, 2007 02:36 PM         

Sestina? I'm glad you appreciate my poetry, it's always nice to be appreciated. Please don't feel afraid to post anything, I believe people should use the internet as a place to bare their souls open, in a world that judges people so harshly for being human, where else can we go to be the weak, frail creatures we really are? The worst that'll happen is that you get flamed, but someone will appreciate what you wrote.

Link I disagree about it always taking courage to believe in something. So many people are simply brainwashed with beliefs from a young age, and they dont' have the courage to NOT believe in it. I might argue that people lack the courage to accept that things are actually as they seem, that there's no one watching out for us, that no ones really in charge but us, and that when you die that's the end. This is what it would really take courage to accept. It's easy to believe in things being better than they actually appear, its comforting and its safe, do you know what I mean Link?

posted May 20, 2007 04:39 PM         

"Now if you are being persecuted by a government or other ruling body, and you continue to practice your beliefs despite this, that is true courage."

Yeah... I know all about it. I'm part sami, these ancient nomad people with their own religion, living up north in scandinavia. Shamanistic people actually. Well, VERY few are anymore. They weren't allowed to by the norwegian government, who killed their priests and took away their children and so on. They killed the whole religion, and partly the culture. Stuff like that are bad. And I do agree it takes allot of courage believing what no one else is believing and all that.

It's "Linnk" by the way, "Linn" is my name.

"Link I disagree about it always taking courage to believe in something. So many people are simply brainwashed with beliefs from a young age, and they dont' have the courage to NOT believe in it."

I don't think so many people are anymore. Before maybe, but not anymore. Well I don't know about where you come from, but where I come from atleast. But bien sûr, there will always be some.

"I might argue that people lack the courage to accept that things are actually as they seem, that there's no one watching out for us, that no ones really in charge but us, and that when you die that's the end. This is what it would really take courage to accept. It's easy to believe in things being better than they actually appear, its comforting and its safe,"

No... I don't think so... To me, I'm sorry, but your attitude seems a bit... Pessimistic. Maybe. And I believe it takes courage to be optimistic. But I don't know, there's always two sides of something I guess...

With science and all now a days, I think one do need courage to believe, with so much evidence pointing in the other direction. Believing gives me strength, and it gives me hope. It makes me more optimistic and it gives me purpose. It's like knowing that no matter what you'll have a happy ending.

posted May 21, 2007 12:31 AM         

A process of conscious evolution, it is fluctuating/wavering from moment to moment.

I believe skepticism is helpful...how could we believe if not having once doubted?
Doubt was the beginning of our journey...but not even as such, was it ever an absolute. As our belief could also never be absolute.
There is an openness, more open in some then others, but the openness that is collective is the openness of wonder, from our point of (as yet, but evolving) restricted perspective here in this body/on this earth.

You hear such things in spiritualites such as "don't judge".

I think it's sad that people are made to feel ashamed for a bioligical/nuerological function that is as natural as breathing.

It is a function of our minds of which we couldn't avoid no matter how earnestly we tried. We observe, we discriminate.
It's what has helped us have survived as a species. Perhaps the difference, tens of thousands of years ago, our judgement was more practically focused on physical survival in the elements...

now, more on psychological/spiritual survival. Survival nonetheless.

Nothing in itself is staid or determining of bad outcome. There is always potential, either way, beautiful or destructive. It is thoughtful consideration that makes the difference.

Are you condemning in your judgement or are you empathetic as you judge?

You are going to judge.
This is why it's a process....
you may begin with observation, then discriminations, then with empathy and consideration...looking outside of yourself,
and your judgement may reveal truths.
Without compassion, skepticism cannot become belief.
Without empathy, judgement cannot become understanding.
Skepticism, believe it or not,
can be an inspirational force.
A balance between skepticism and believing is most [i]receptive[i].
It doesn't pronounce either way.
It observes and it waits for discernment and wonder to reveal.

Linnk, hope you don't think I'm directing my thoughts to you, I'm just thinking in general, spiralling from the discussion. I've enjoyed reading your posts.

posted May 21, 2007 10:15 AM         

When you're talking about things very important to you and close to your heart, it's comforting to be heard.
Like topics of faith, especially, it can make all the difference.

posted May 21, 2007 06:36 PM         

I'll be thinking of you. I don't have any answers to share. I have plenty of questions. Something my Grandma said to me one of the last few times I saw her was this: "Hard times come to everybody in life. The only thing you can do is to get through them."

Take care of yourself.
Love,
GG

posted May 21, 2007 09:27 PM         

Hugs to you

posted May 21, 2007 10:32 PM         

I felt that way when Pluto tore through my NN, Mars, and Neptune. Like there wasn't any point in life. People, the world, everything was poo. As if there wasn't any point in trying to do anything.

Hang in there.
Love, and Hugs,
GG

posted May 21, 2007 11:55 PM         

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And another thing, I don't believe in love anymore. At least not for me. I see a typical sagittarian life of failed romances ahead. Real love is ******** . Every day I am haunted by ex lovers, and it tires me, they dance through my thoughts and dreams tormenting me, vexing me, destroying my confidence. I want to burn them but I cannot, they cannot be removed. what was that one movie with jim carrey where he erases his gf?

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Time will lead you in the right direction, BlueRoamer. Maybe you’re overwhelmed with everything--maybe you need to dedicate more time on yourself. I don’t think you truly believe what you just wrote, though: “I don't believe in love anymore. At least not for me” You simply seemed hurt and p!ssed off! or perhaps you haven't found the right person. I know it’s very easy for people to say come full circle and all of that bullsh!t right, BlueRoamer? I agree! In the end, only you know how you feel and what you need to do in order to overcome your pain. Give it time… and it always comes back to what you believe…

quote:

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I see a typical sagittarian life of failed romances ahead.

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Your Capricorn ascendant and your moon in Scorpio will perhaps certainly change that. (If memory serves me right, I think those were some of your placements, sorry if they're wrong)
Now, I don't think it's typical of all Sagittarians to fail their romances; some are flighty, though

Have a good night!

posted May 21, 2007 11:55 PM         

Yeah so well said.

Faith/Doubt are never two sides of coin.

Such a thing does not exists even in quantum mechanics so I can understand that.

However I do not agree to its about survival. Its about finding Nemo. I will try to post my beliefs in Mirandee's poem as its more apt there.

Going back to source. Nemo will find his home better sooner than later. The head of Osiris will be joined together.

posted May 22, 2007 12:01 AM         

quote:

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You are going to judge.
This is why it's a process....
you may begin with observation, then discriminations, then with empathy and consideration...looking outside of yourself,
and your judgement may reveal truths.
Without compassion, skepticism cannot become belief.
Without empathy, judgement cannot become understanding.
Skepticism, believe it or not,
can be an inspirational force.
A balance between skepticism and believing is most receptive.
It doesn't pronounce either way.
It observes and it waits for discernment and wonder to reveal.

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just like a true Sagi

posted May 22, 2007 12:25 AM         

I'm often with BR, though, wondering why it seems that it's most often the most giving and kind who reap the most pain and cruelty here.
There is no fairness in this world, it seems at times.
I so waver in faith this past year, I'll be honest.
A round and round cycle, I return to faith eventually (incurable idealist),but there's all the times inbetween I feel like I'm on a delicate fine line, and wondering if I'm far too sensitive, because so easily at times I hurl into hopeless despair, weary with trying, for nothing seems to have ever been significant enough to believe it would be if I tried again....I just want to give in/give up ever trying again. The pain gets too much to feel.
I get caught in these moments...and it seems the rest of the time I'm just gathering all of my strength to get out of it until I fall again and start all over. Pretending.
I feel trapped in an awareness

I know you've been through a lot yourself, gg, so perhaps you understand about the cycle.

BR, I don't understand how anything can be exclusive of the other. Even if it's appearing so, it never really is.
Maybe it's just me, and I'm thinking subjectively, but I always get the impression that if we are entirely honest with ourselves, we would realize that most often we are very apt at feeling and experiencing things simulataneoulsy...or at least rapidly alternatingly. Compassion/skepticism being just one example of polar things that we often blend together.
I hope I'm expressing this ok.

The other thread with Blue Baby... To say you were feeling compassionate and not judgemental wouldn't be true, would it?
Nor would saying you were feeling judgemental and not compassionate. Weren't you feeling both things?
Because you are sensitive soul...and more than that; inquisitive,honest, expansive, always striving for understanding.
Your more apt to come to understanding using the breadth of all your thinking, feeling and intuitions. To be extreme either way or exclusive would be blinding and limiting to your vision. Or, as William Blake said, "To be general, is to be an idiot."

It's all so complex.

posted May 22, 2007 12:53 AM         

Silver, yeah, we're not all flighty.

Mannu,
you caught me on a bad day. A case of the shocking cruelties again.
Yes, please, I'd love to hear more on Nemo about now.

I do believe flowing with the current takes us out to Sea...
whether letting go means crashing into the river stones along the way...somehow, someday we get there...

If we survive.