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Topic: There is no such thing as karmic justice
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Mirandee
Knowflake Posts: 2774
From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted May 22, 2007 02:52 AM
 
Wow! Awesome! Some very good thoughts and spiraling going on here.  You guys are truly firing on all your spiritual pistons tonight. IP: Logged |
let ther b light
Knowflake Posts: 191
From: bombay, india
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted May 22, 2007 09:00 AM
Hey BLUE ROAMER
I can somehow understand what you’re feeling right now. However I think I’m an incurable optimist. The last two years were really quite ****** for me. I was confused about everything. My boyfriend, my ex-boyfriend…. God. and I guess like you I wanted proof of a lot of things…and I still haven’t gotten any. I think in the last two years a lot of my beliefs have changed. I’m not too sure of what is right and what is wrong. But what I do know is that I do find peace in believing that there is a Higher Wisdom and that somehow my problems will get sorted out. I have been feeling much better in the past couple of weeks. I feel…or maybe I want to believe that things will surely get better.I think u’ve mentioned somewhere in this thread that u r a Sagittarian. My sis ter is a double sag with a lot of scorpio influences and every time I read ur post in this thread u reminded me of her. I know that she can feel really deeply and so I can truly understand how u r feeling. I remember consoling my sister long back when I was just around 15-16. She was REALLY down. She was in love with someone who did not reciprocate her feelings and she kept saying that she’ll never love anyone again or won’t find love. I just did not know how to console heL…But guess wat??? She found someone so totally like her and fell in love with him and recently got married to himJ…I wish u find your soul mate too(dunno how to put a heart or wud’ve put one) LALALINDA
“I promise, God does see everything.
Its a very stupid person who thinks he's getting away with it.” I love the way u believe so passionately! HSC
“Does God ultimately have a good reason for allowing little babies to be beaten to a lifeless pulp, only after having their tiny orifices repeatedly ripped open by syphilitic hard-ons?”
I’d like to know the answer to this myself….ITS SICK! MM
“At least this is what I came up with when sister of one of the guys in the second group of "old buddies" I hung out with had the slightly retarded peice of crap (had to get a little hostility out there) uncle of the baby she babysat bring the baby over to her house bleeding from her vagina and anus because he thumb fcked her until he ripped apart her uterus” REALLY makes my blood boil to read this. Just expressing my thoughts… SILVERSTONE
My sis and I both really like the poem you use to sign of. …Learnt it in school..
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goatgirl
Knowflake Posts: 483
From: Anywhere
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted May 22, 2007 11:58 AM
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There is no fairness in this world, it seems at times.
I so waver in faith this past year, I'll be honest.
A round and round cycle, I return to faith eventually (incurable idealist),but there's all the times inbetween I feel like I'm on a delicate fine line, and wondering if I'm far too sensitive, because so easily at times I hurl into hopeless despair, weary with trying, for nothing seems to have ever been significant enough to believe it would be if I tried again....I just want to give in/give up ever trying again. The pain gets too much to feel.
I get caught in these moments...and it seems the rest of the time I'm just gathering all of my strength to get out of it until I fall again and start all over. Pretending.
I feel trapped in an awareness
I think you just verbalize it with more finesse than I would. Yes, I have felt those emotions, and thoughts. I have been at war with myself for a majority of my life. Not at the beginning though. I think it was after my youngest brother was born that I started to feel this. I know that by the time I was 8, something felt rotten in Denmark. In regards to my Grandma, I haven't felt her near. I think she's truly gone from this place. She's still in my heart though. THanks for asking, dear lady. Keep shining. Hugs and Love,
GG ------------------
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Lialei
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Registered: Jul 2005
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posted May 22, 2007 07:58 PM
thank you, Blue and GG.  I'm short on time right now,
so will return when I can. IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
Knowflake Posts: 1227
From: New England
Registered: May 2005
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posted May 23, 2007 04:12 PM
Call me crazy but...
I believe that...the only truth is that we as humans know nothing. Not one single thing. Yet our minds are finite. And we're curious beings. We need an answer for this.. (Why's the sky blue?! "Why do bad things happen to good people?!") and for that. And sometimes, our only answer is that we have no answer. And we cannot handle such things.
And so we cling to scientific theories and physical evidence because they fill our thirst for some temporary void of knowledge that's driving our conscious selves to oblivion. And no, I'm not religious. I've been taught no faiths in my home. I don't read articles, watch shows, listen to speakers. I *watch*. I *observe*. With entire body. And being a person, who NEEDS answers. Who constantly asks. Who spends countless hours a day, researching and researching spiritual vs. scientific theories over and over, hoping to have some flash of insight...I can easily say my judgment and beliefs are not biased and they do not come from a lifestyle in which I was raised or an influence pressed upon me by society or peers. Maybe sometimes we go through trials of faith where we believe, and then we don't, and then we do back and back again because there's a lesson to be learned. Not an answer to be found. Maybe you just weren't meant to find the answer you're looking for. Personally, I don't believe anyone is. If we had all the answers, why on earth would we be living? It should be renamed to Existing cuz that's all we'd be doing. We wouldn't be learning anything, no new experiences would be gained because what? We know what's going to happen. *Think about it. Everyone has different beliefs...no one can change what you think and vice versa. Some have infinite faith, some belief in what big business is going to help sponsor that awesome company picnic this year. And that's fine. It's fine to have your doubts. It's fine to not believe. In my opinion, it's just part of your life journey. And I'll tell you one thing purely from my experience, I'd rather believe in something...even if I don't know exactly what it is...than believe in nothing. Because your right, living is hard . Knowing that all things are not constant in every aspect of life, and knowing that good things can happen just as quickly as bad at any given moment and for unknown reasons can scare the hell out of anyone.
And I go through harsh vacilliations quite often. I'm torn between the complete scientfic perspective, where there is nothing beyond death but rot and decomposed matter and that there is no one looking out for us but US. That astrology does not exist and that people are solely shaped by how they're raised, and what they're exposed to...
And I'm also torn between the completely spiritual concept of the Tao, oneness, karma, past lives, astrology, and everything metaphysical. Hell yea, I lose a lot of faith and usually at one time. Especially when things don't seem to add up, and when I get frustrated with what I cannot see and therefore cannot explain... But I'd rather make this journey believing I've got someone watching over me, and believing that I get another shot than walking through life alone.
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"I eat success for breakfast-- with skim milk!"
Sagittarius AC, Sun in Scorpio, Moon in Leo
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Linnk
Knowflake Posts: 93
From: norway
Registered: May 2007
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posted May 23, 2007 06:19 PM
Maybe we're all complicating things... Maybe we should just stick to the following; *Be nice
*Do what makes you happy
*Don't hate
*Forgive
*Be postitive
*Enjoy every second
*Follow your heart
*Help others
*Be altruistic
*Trust people
*Don't judge
*Be grateful for what you have
*Smile allot
*Don't be afraid to love people I guess everything's gonna be alright. "Life is not a highway
between birth and death,
but a place
to park in the sun" IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
Knowflake Posts: 1227
From: New England
Registered: May 2005
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posted May 23, 2007 08:21 PM
I second that Linnk
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fayte.m
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Registered: Mar 2005
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posted May 23, 2007 08:36 PM
Linnk 
I totally agree!
We must try!
Wise words and you being so young! 
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*Be nice
*Do what makes you happy
*Don't hate
*Forgive
*Be postitive
*Enjoy every second
*Follow your heart
*Help others
*Be altruistic
*Trust people
*Don't judge
*Be grateful for what you have
*Smile allot
*Don't be afraid to love people
We can all try but in practicality it is all much easier said than done.
Especially the trust part. There are nasty folk who will and do, abuse one's trust.
And take advantage of altruistic acts and people. 
If that seems like a judging of people, I am sorry, but it is too sadly true. ------------------
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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Dulce Luna
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From: The Asylum
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted May 23, 2007 08:50 PM
Linnk  If only it were easier done than said.  IP: Logged |
Linnk
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From: norway
Registered: May 2007
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posted May 24, 2007 02:48 AM
Yeah, I know... It's a nice idea, but of course we're only human. We have our mistakes. Think it's a good person though who can have their trust abused and still trust, been taken advantage of but still act altruistic again and again, and so on. It's more guidelines though, I realize it's hard to live up to but we can try as best as we can IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
Knowflake Posts: 2627
From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted May 24, 2007 04:06 AM
Angel of Mercy
Angel of Mercy
Do we bathe in your compassion,
or do you keep us right at the edge,
one step away from falling IP: Logged |
Linnk
Knowflake Posts: 93
From: norway
Registered: May 2007
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posted May 24, 2007 06:14 AM
nice poem  IP: Logged |
Lialei
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From:
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted May 24, 2007 09:38 AM
alanabelle,
your post was awesome. I hope you'll keep writing here.  Fayte, Dulce & Linnk Blue...
the tide always shifts, right?
It keeps moving into the next.
do you have my email?
Or are you in the quiet
space that cannot form words?
I understand.
You are cared for.
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fayte.m
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posted May 24, 2007 10:38 AM
Lia, Dulce, Linnk I am partially like this Linnk: quote:
Think it's a good person though who can have their trust abused and still trust, been taken advantage of but still act altruistic again and again, and so on.
But I think I am sometimes thought of as a fool or a pushover or a doormat for doing so. Trust is the hardest to maintain once violated. I will trust a new person in my life, but once trust is lost it is lost. But Altruism I can regain, and a guarded civility to the person(s). I do not trust once betrayed. But I can be civil and still feel compassion for the one(s) who has/have hurt or betrayed me. But trust never returns. I live for the most part by three things when it comes to people and how close I let them get to me.
A person will never be close to me again or ever if they do any of these unpardonable things to/at me:
Lying
Jealousy
Striking, hitting.
I can be civil but never trust such a person again.------------------
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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Linnk
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From: norway
Registered: May 2007
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posted May 24, 2007 01:59 PM
Oh, but of course fayte! I didn't mean that you should let the same people abuse your trust over and over and over and over again, just that once your trust is abused, you shouldn't let it stop you from trusting other people in general! As for the ones that have hurt you deeply, I thought about forgiveness. As for me I can forgive a few lies as long as they're not big and important, and jealousy is usually fine by me. As long as it's not too much of it though. As for violence though, there's really no excuse. IP: Logged |
InLoveWithLife
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From: Wonderland
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted May 24, 2007 02:19 PM
I don't know about others, but in my case the justice is pretty swift.this is what my life is like  I usually get my coffee from a vending machine. after i put in the money it gives me a quarter back. today it gave me TWO quarters back. well, there came a moment of indecision about what to do with the extra quarter. then i picked it up. of course i shudn't have. but i did. and guess what. my coffee cup tilted in the machine itself and the coffee drained away. it iss that swift in my case. so all things considered, i am always made aware tht God is watching. i CANNOT believe tht there is no karmic justice. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted May 24, 2007 03:46 PM
Hi Silverston and Lia my LL buddies Lia, have to collect my thoughts why I said that I am not so good in jumping guns Fayte, Wish I didn't hurt trust one of my scorp friends. I am gonna call right now  And all you wonderful people out here.
Looks like we found each other out here at LL. Its no coincidence.
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fayte.m
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posted May 24, 2007 04:12 PM
Mannu
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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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silverstone
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posted May 26, 2007 12:26 AM
Mannu ------------------
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
Lialei
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posted May 26, 2007 01:35 AM
"Lia, have to collect my thoughts why I said that I am not so good in jumping guns " You are so much better than you know, Mannu. A couple of weeks ago I fell asleep watching Nemo and had the strangest dream about fish.
I knew it was important, but got caught up in the distraction of the daze and forgot to think more on it, until you reminded me to. You helped in a profound way you may never know. Although I still don't know how to follow through on the message. I don't even know if I'm capable of it, it's so difficult to imagine. You're always amazing me, Mannu.
thank you.
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Mannu
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posted May 27, 2007 11:48 PM
Waves !!!!
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Lialei
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posted May 28, 2007 01:49 AM
heeheethe dream message was:
Clean Slate/Zero Point let it all go,
leave it all behind
the painful, the beautiful, the love, the wounds, the smiles, the blood, the heart, the tears walk on anew. 
All from a cute little fish, Nemo 
and a mysterious,ever-benevolent friend
whose intune with divine strings. (you)
Love is not the easy thing.
The only baggage you can bring
is all that you can't leave behind. ~ Bono
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BlueRoamer
Knowflake Posts: 2627
From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted May 28, 2007 03:28 AM
Yes Lia, but how to leave the baggage behind?My fortune cookie today: The only thing that matters in life is love.
A good fortune!
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sesame
Moderator Posts: 1436
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted May 29, 2007 08:12 AM
Wow, that was a real turn around in perception there BlueRoamer! I would really like to close this thread for the baby story and the general negativity, but there is a lot of love here too, so it almost seems balanced, but I still think it's a tarnish in LL, and that young children can read this. SURE! They can read worse elsewhere, but HERE is not THERE. I LOVE LL being clean, a safe haven from the crap of the world. The fact that you are happy now BR gives me more incentive to close this. I don't necessarily need the last word here, but being mod, it gives me the privilege to do so. I love discussing Karma as much as the next guy, but I do not feel the need to use gory imagery. Life is what you make it in this material/spiritual/mental existence, and as such, you need to feel responsibility for your actions, thoughts, and life. The more you blame, the more you will blame, and so on. To break any cycle, you need clarity and vision, and yes imagination and faith are necessary too, and with these tools, remove yourself from your situation. IF on the other hand you choose to live in negativity and without love, then so be it. If you decide that this is not a choice, then so be it. You can blame others for your reality, and when they move on, you will have substitutes, but if you truly want to change, then be the change. Be the Energy you wish to see in the World. And if you wish to discuss negativity on a deeper level, then maybe use email - every thing published here creates the Energy here. As I have responsibility for this small slice of LL, I am choosing to close this thread. I've found in the past that deleting posts can be worse as we seem to have lost two members from that incident, so by closing, I will be preventing future browsers from seeing this thread which is at least something. The taint will still be here, but time heals all wounds.Heaps of Love,
Dean. ------------------
I realized it for the first time in my life:
there is nothing but mystery in the world,
how it hides behind the fabric of our poor,
browbeat days, shining brightly, and we don't even know it. Sue Monk Kidd, "The Secret Life of Bees", p79 Logically Magical Logic is Magically Logical Magic! (and vice versa!)
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