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lotusheartone
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posted June 01, 2007 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
MysticMelody, do not worry about getting me upset, this is how we learn.
I have two teenage daughters, I am speaking from experience, I am 41 years old.
I moved back to NH, April of 2006, and well, I wish I had not, for exposing them to public high school has had a negative affect on my older daughter, once they have their friends, they listen to them, versus you, will make mistakes because of the herd mentality.
I know they must be exposed to this, the world is a cruel place, and dealing with this makes them stronger. My other daughter holds to her principles, and I am talking to my older daughter every day about the choices she can make. It's hard to fight the herd!
The herd is acceptable, for everybody is doing what they are doing. ...

LOve and Reverence to ALL... .

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MysticMelody
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posted June 01, 2007 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, a little sincere prayer later and an example has come into my life to begin to illustrate what I wish to explain. I see my daughter out the window with a huge stick, practically a branch, and she is using it to pull another branch closer to her so she can investigate it. Now my first reaction (and the outward reaction of most of my "mommy friends" is to say, "Put that branch down!" after all... she could poke her eye out with it.
BUT
I know that if I just make playing with a stick another "evil", another "against the rules", another "you are doing something wrong"... no matter how I package it... sooner or later my daughter will not be within my sight and at that time she will play with a stick to reach a branch or just for the pure freedom of doing it, and she could actually poke her eye out because I never let her explore her world when I was very close by to explain and help her while she experienced FOR HERSELF the small (and not so small) scratches and pains that the stick delivered to her.
I tell her to be careful. I explain why. I tell her what can happen. I remind her periodically in case she has forgotten. Then I sit back and watch over her as she explores her world and takes the scrapes and bumps that will teach her caution. I only "lay down the law" on things like not running into the road that will completely destroy her. She then slowly learns that Mom has real reasons for telling her to be careful. She learns to be wary enough to know to look both ways before she crosses the street, when it comes time to turn her over to teachers who might have a few too many children to keep an eye on at the same time. She doesn't just bound out into the road after a cute kitten or bunny without thought to the dangers of drivers who might not be paying attention that day. (That durn teenager across the street hehe)
Ok, I've gotta make some pasta. I hope that is a starting place for a civil discussion.

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MysticMelody
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posted June 01, 2007 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Lotus, saw you had a reply already so I read it. Good thoughts! Looks like we found a common ground to start from...

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lotusheartone
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posted June 01, 2007 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
MysticMelody,

Yes, I agree, that is all we can do, they will learn from their own experience, they must be allowed that, to Learn and Grow!
Great Work!

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MysticMelody
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posted June 01, 2007 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Steve! I have been formulating a question for you, think you can help me with it. I plan to start another thread in Free For All eventually and ask for your ideas.

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posted June 01, 2007 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message




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sesame
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posted June 01, 2007 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Anyone seen the video clip Jeremy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gskAeWgEExk Now, this video is about a boy who killed himself in fron of his classmates. Since this video, other shootings have occured in schools and such, and in at least one case, the perp blamed the video for what he did. Now, they have stopped playing this video clip. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_%28song%29 This is just one example of how visual media can seemingly influence people negatively. I still think it's a great clip, and very meaningful, but we have to be willing to live with the consequences of what could happen as a result.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 01, 2007 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I wasnt exactly romanticizing baby rape
with my syphillitic imagery.

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goatgirl
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posted June 01, 2007 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatgirl     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
the perp blamed the video for what he did

Just a symptom of the larger society. No one has to take personal responsibility for anything they do anymore. "It's not my fault I killed 50 people, I had a bad childhood." "It's not my fault I embezzeled billions of dollars, and caused all my employees to lose their retirement money, I didn't know what was going on." Always an excuse instead of saying, "you know what, I did that and it was wrong of me. I'm sorry. I will do what I can to make restitution for the pain I've caused."

Just an observation I've made over the last 7 years or so, which the above made me think of.

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posted June 01, 2007 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
LOL HSC.

Is it possible to romanticize baby rape?

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lotusheartone
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posted June 02, 2007 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Well said Dean, too bad, it's on deaf ears!

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Lialei
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posted June 02, 2007 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
Stephen,

Such an unexpected and
beautiful guesture.
I didn't know you had tried to write.
I've felt sad and terrible about things
too.
It's late, but I'll write you soon.

thank you.


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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 02, 2007 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you.

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Mirandee
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posted June 02, 2007 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
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How do you explain, that to except these bad negative things, is to say they are okay, that you condone them?


HUH? I think the fact that people point out the negative things in the world shows that they don't condone them or think they are okay. It also shows that evil is unacceptable to these people.

In fact it's the opposite. Those people who bury their heads in the sand in the face of evil are the ones who are not only condoning it but allowing it to continue on and expand.

Good thing that the likes of Ghandi and Martin Luther King didn't feel that way about the negatives in the world. In fact, thank God for the people in the past that have looked evil in the face and named it for what it is. Had it not been for them nothing would have ever changed for the better.

Should we also just ignore and not point out that there have been millions of people slaughtered in the Congo? Wouldn't not making the world aware of the genocide practiced there allow it to continue?

Of course due to many folks wish to live their lives like an ostrich the genocide of millions of men, women and children in the Congo still continues on.

I think that when it comes to spirituality some folks always have it backwards. They are spiritually dyslexic. It's funny too because if you do take the time to look back through history you can easily see that it was only through pointing out the negatives in the world that changes for the better have ever occured.

We ARE the change in the world. That's our number one spiritual mission in life.

The sad thing, Lotus is that you are not fighting the herd mentality. There is so much evil rampant in the world because you are part of the herd mentality. The majority of people on the planet are the ones who either don't care about anything past their own noses or they just hate dealing in anything unpleasant and disturbing.

Evil repels us all. No one likes it. Human beings are created good so even when we sin or mess up it is usually only because we see some good it for ourselves or others. But if we don't stand up and look evil in the face and name it for what it is we can't change it. We aren't working to stop it from spreading.

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Mirandee
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posted June 02, 2007 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
I totally agree, GG Easier to blame something or someone outside of ourselves.

People not only don't take responsibility for their own actions they also make excuses for others and don't allow them to take responsibility for their actions either. We live in a codependent and enabling world.

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lotusheartone
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posted June 02, 2007 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
We are Co-Creators with God,
we are the narrators of this
World's Theatre, and look around
you, this is what we have created!

If you want to feed the negative that,
is a poor choice, the dark matter has
been measured by scientists, our world
is 2/3 dark matter, we better bring in
Some light and get some balance soon!

or things are going to continue to go
down hill, all the signs and warnings
are here, each day the negatvity increases.

It's up tp Us, not to feed it!
This is simple
It's the Universal Laws,
and we need to balance it!
75% dark
25% light
Yikes! We're in trouble!

LOve and Reverence to ALL. ...

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Azalaksh
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posted June 02, 2007 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
lotus ~
quote:
the dark matter has
been measured by scientists, our world
is 2/3 dark matter
Could you please show me the scientific study that arrived at this conclusion?? I'm very curious about their testing methods and parameters, and who or what participated in the study.....

Thanks,
Zala

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fayte.m
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posted June 02, 2007 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Oh for crying out loud!
Dark Matter is not evil!
Is the depth of the oceans is darkness evil? Is a moonless night evil?
Your own heart in your body sits in darkness.
Is it evil?
Are caves evil?
And additionally by that token are dark skinned folks evil?
Or black haired folks?
I am really getting tired of this medieval and primitive fear reaction to the darkness or the color black.
So what century are we in now?
I thought it to be the 21st!
And Lotus dear You are a great feeder of the negative with all your preachings about evil is upon us wake up! Wake up before it is too late end of the world the sky is falling the evil aliens are coming stuff.
As crazy as humanity is I feel it will all work out in the long run. I do not feed into the chicken little scenarios.

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posted June 02, 2007 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Zala, I will have to find the link, it was at Kathleen McGowan's Site, www.theexpectedone.com.

I have also been shone this by God,
Fayte, I am absolutley sick of you,
and your childess behaviour, you are
very vindictive, and can't let things
go, as Heart-Shaped Cross's thread
in yellow Wax, shows.
I am just going to ignore you from
now on.

LOve and Reverence to ALL. ...

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lotusheartone
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posted June 02, 2007 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
For those who want to understand, I posted a little while ago, on Maklhouf's String, topic,
End times. ...

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fayte.m
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posted June 02, 2007 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
So does this mean that all the lovely(but strange) things Mother and Father told you last week that you told me off forum, the very interesting, strange, but very nice things, that according to your visions they said about me to you was a lie?
Mother and Father were very happy with me and so were you last week as you told me they and you were.
So do I have any reason to ever consider anything you or they say to you as true or even possibly true?
It changes faster than the weather!
Love and flattery and grand visions and then hate and insults then back and forth over and over again and again. Your and their possible validity each time this happens falls farther into the realms of utter nonsense instead of a thing to give serious consideration.
You are not making any case for any of it by the flip floppings.
God is not chaotic like that.

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~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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posted June 02, 2007 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
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Oh for crying out loud!
Dark Matter is not evil!
Is the depth of the oceans is darkness evil? Is a moonless night evil?
Your own heart in your body sits in darkness.
Is it evil?
Are caves evil?
And additionally by that token are dark skinned folks evil?
Or black haired folks?
I am really getting tired of this medieval and primitive fear reaction to the darkness or the color black.
So what century are we in now?
I thought it to be the 21st

Very true. Its this type of thinking that justified and therefore allowed the enslaving of Black Africans by Europeans and their inhumane treatment of the slaves. I think its time for us to let this school of thought go. (and I'm saying this as a Roman Catholic)


Anyways, I just popped in to see that BR's thread had been closed and I too am bewildered as to why???


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posted June 02, 2007 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Mirrors, mirrors, everywhere. And we do not even recognize our own reflections.

This string is fascinating, in its own way.

Walk in Peace

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lotusheartone
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posted June 02, 2007 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
I should have said dark energy, and I have not found the link yet!

Fayte, you get what you give, this will probably be the last time I reply to you.
It was not I, that started with the insults,
and you edited your posts, I am not going
to play games with you!

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posted June 02, 2007 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Dulce Luna
You are so right about the slave trade!

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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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