posted May 30, 2007 03:23 PM         

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Do not listen to and then follow evil advice. Do not Automatically follow another and attack just because they said so and so was mean to them. Find out for yourself. Your buddy may be a liar using you!

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means try to see the good in others not just the negative.
Do not Automatically assume one is evil until you get all the facts.

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do not bear false witness. And that means just because someone is your buddy, do not Automatically defend them until you find out if they were the wronged one or the trouble maker.

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posted May 30, 2007 03:34 PM         

But, I suppose that only refelcts our own bias. It's kind of like a "it takes one to know one" kind of moment.

posted May 30, 2007 03:46 PM         

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t's kind of like a "it takes one to know one" kind of moment.

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posted May 30, 2007 03:57 PM         

But as a "universal" party speaking to both sides, can we just shut up and move on already? There are more important things in this world to debate over and fight about than this.

People are just restating points over and over again. It's so dumb. Everyone heard what you have to say. What can you do about it besides..

1) Watch what you say
2) Leave LL

The mods are mods for a reason. And *they're* not going to be the ones going anywhere. It's just how it is. They have a responsibility to moderate this forum. WE don't.

That's it. If you don't like it, leave. And if you're upset by it, watch what you say. I knowwww, we're all fed up and this always happen, yada yada. But you're still here .

Maybe there's a reason for that. But whatever the case is, I'm sure it's not to sit here and beat our heads against the wall about something that isn't going to change

The thread probably will not be reopened.
So as we sit here...complaining and complaining.
Gathering armies against one another, I ASK all of you, BOTH parties, MODS and Knowflakes..

is THIS what Linda would have wanted? We throw her wants around to use them in justification of things on this board. Suuuure maybe she would have wanted us to express ourslves freely without barrier...and maybe she would have wanted us to not dirty up her website with graphic content (no matter how it's used, negatively or positively).

But, EXCUSE MY FRENCH, I am damn well sure she would not want it laden with aimless conflict. Aries or not. Even Arians know when to call it a night.

So, as a rant, directed at everyone. I ask all of you to think if this is what you want to keep fueling and breathing life into when you come to this site? How many innocent posts, asking for help, guidance, or an honest opinion have been overshadowed by this CHILDISH display of freedom of speech?!

Gosh, makes me feel like I'm working at a summer camp again. Except not only are you all OLDER, but you are WISER, KNOWLEDGABLE, SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED people.

I'm not saying don't stick up for yourselves, because by all means do. I'd be a hypocrite to say that...but I just think that for both parties

We need to learn how to pick our battles.

I'm done. This thread makes me sick to see the people I regard as such advanced and "model like" folks, the people on the "right path" claw at each other like infants fighting over a toy.

Right or Wrong, if you don't have anything new to say (which it appears NO ONE DOES) then I think it's time to close *this* thread and move on with our lives.

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posted May 30, 2007 07:31 PM         

Fayte, I'm sorry, but there is so much of what you say that I completely disagree with. I don't have the time to answer evertything, but the dream you mentioned I actually really liked as I felt the person flying etc. They told me it was not positive. Fine, why does any of this mean anything here? Are we going to reference every post we've ever made? DOES ANYONE HERE HAVE A LIFE? I am livid with the reaction of the members here! I wish you could move on, and know you will eventually, I just with it was sooner.

Mirandee, I closed the thread with Sue, because the offending post seemed to escalate things rapidly. It had subject matter that was copied and pasted that was offensive. I feel as though my actions then seem to be perceived as unfair, and fine. But is someone asks me to close a thread, I will consider it. If no one asks, then I may not. If people are being attacked, I will not necessarilly close threads, as I feel the people need to be able to stand up for themselves. Who am I to act as their Knight-in-Shining-Armour? Defend yourself! That said, I will stand up when people are ganged up on or when I feel it necessarry, but I am human just like you, the attacked, and the victim. I am not God (although I maintain we are all Gods) and I am not a dictator or Politician. I do what I consider fair in the heat of the moment. So be it. Deal with it! Live with it! I am Mine! If you are that upset, then I apologies for your own insecurities. It is not us versus you, it is you not being able to deal with anything. Why can't you accept anything? Why does everyone have to question me? MOVE ON! I did, I'm not retracting it, or changing my mind that I was in error. HSC has hed every opportunity to apologise, at any point - he could start a new thread, or apologise here. I don't feel he needs to, I just didn't want crap like that in LL! DAMMIT! I am so angry with so many of you! I'm shaking. You want to talk of hipocrasy? You make me want to hurl. I don't want to sink to your level, but hey, like I said, I'm human, and VERY ANGRY! The fact that you seem to support that material existing in LL! This is insanity, I may reply to other people later when I calm down. Might not.

posted May 30, 2007 08:16 PM         

How does your name work for you? It's my absolute favorite name for a boy, and I plan (if I have a son, and lord I hope I do) to name my first child that. Hands down.

Do you know the numerology/lexigramming of it? Or anything? I've just never personally known anyone with the name. It tickles me pink just thinking about it

What nicknames do you have, if any?

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posted May 30, 2007 08:42 PM         

I'm very busy at the moment as I have a meeting to attend, so I don't have the time to be as explicit as I want.

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I just didn't want crap like that in LL! DAMMIT! I am so angry with so many of you! I'm shaking. You want to talk of hipocrasy? You make me want to hurl. I don't want to sink to your level, but hey, like I said, I'm human, and VERY ANGRY! The fact that you seem to support that material existing in LL! This is insanity, I may reply to other people later when I calm down. Might not.

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I do not want to start an argument with you but there's no reason to be upset because a few knowflakes disagree with you, calm down. I actually find your response defensive and appalling. If this response was coming from someone else, I'm sure you would have closed this thread due to the nature of your sensitivity.

Also, you say, quote: "You want to talk of hipocrasy? You make me want to hurl." Actually, I would like to discuss hypocrisy…
How about the time when you deleted Pixie’s post on your thread when she called Lotus a f**cked up chick, did you address that to her in private before doing so? Why didn’t you address it to her in public, as you did to BlueRoamer? Or did she get special treatment at that time because she was a moderator? Notice how almost nobody noticed the deletion because it was deleted without a comment. Here’s the site (But the original post was deleted) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002524.html
So, in essence, there’s a lot of truth to what Mirandee and Fayte said: “there is a lot of bias and favoritism going on.”

Furthermore, I understand you're a moderator, but just because you are a moderator doesn’t mean that folks are not going to disagree with you… just like you are entitled to your opinions, everyone else is, also.

I am happy to let this go, but do not act as if nothing was ever done wrong on your part. As for you closing Sue’s thread because I called her a liar and a manipulator, you and I discussed that in private, and will not further elucidate on that matter.

Nobody is perfect and moderators have also made mistakes in the past:

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Since when can't a Moderator give his/her opinion and join in a discussion--even a heated one in which he/she has a strong opinion? Mod status does not bring with it any loss of rights. That being said, lalalinda, please try to refrain from deletion of Posts unless particularly defamatory. You can make a case against such Posts and freely state your experience and opinions regarding said Posts, but in the future, please exercise more tolerance. Okay? That being said, AG, your motives are about as transparent as air.
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posted May 30, 2007 10:19 PM         

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Fayte, I'm sorry, but there is so much of what you say that I completely disagree with. I don't have the time to answer evertything, but the dream you mentioned I actually really liked as I felt the person flying etc.

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I remember a few months back, Sesame, when you came on Lialei's dream thread where she told about the flying dream and in the dream as she was happily flying there appeared a large raven above her that seemed to overshadow her. From that point on she described how she rose above that and the dream was very positive. Yet you came on the thread and interpreted the dream to be negative because you only concentrated on the raven and paid no mind to the positive outcome of the dream.

You closed that thread for the same reason, Sesame. You dwelled on the negative and ignored all the positives that far outweighed that.

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posted May 31, 2007 02:02 AM         

We must strive to see only God in everyone.

Well I commend HSC for bringing something valid to discussion table. I chose not to answer his question here as it deserves a lengthy answer and I had issues posting today.

I also see God acting thru Dean and making him use his power. That way, we also heed the young readers who may flock here.

Point taken. Those above and I am sure of everyone who contributed.

Like it or not we are all part of one consciousness. So whatever one says has an impact to the collective consciousness.

posted May 31, 2007 02:14 AM         

I think she has lived in new york and I am very sure she would have appreciated kick ass readers.

My opinion: Do not let some jerk kill your kick ass spirit? Take it to Randall if you feel some mods are in violation.

posted May 31, 2007 02:17 AM         

I think I predicted that you write about Bush a while ago. I can't find that post. May be at GU.

The future seems so predictable.

Our disunity is the last thing we need here on earth.

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posted May 31, 2007 09:15 AM         

Fayte, I am very sorry I said that you stated that. One of the worst things you can do. I truly didn't mean to attack anyone. I was just venting my anger at my lack of communication or something. It's not just happening here. My wife and colleagues sometimes don't get what I'm saying either. Is Mercury retrograde?

SunChild, as stated I will try to be more communicative in the future.

alanabelle86, Dean is a great name, I highly recommended it. I like variations such as Deano, Deany (when you're young or more intimate), Dean the string or baked bean are not so good. Once got in a heated argument that I still regret with my gem sister on the latter one. As shown in another thread recently, Dean/o. can look like someone skiing I find it an interesting name that isn't too common, but I have met about three. It comes from a Greek word meaning Leader of ten men (I think ). Also means peasant in another language. Numerologically it's good meaning 15 - the magician, but deano is not so good - 22 Submission and Caution. OF course, it needs to be considered with all other numbers and influences etc. Good luck with your son BTW, I was named after a hippy my mum met. You can try a few names with the numerology program below.

Sorry I can't reply to all of you, but I need to sleep. I would love to put this behind us and move on.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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posted May 31, 2007 12:59 PM         

The outburst on your part was understandable under the circumstances so don't worry about it.

I am letting this all go because I do understand that mods are human and can make mistakes. I admire you for admitting that and telling us that you learned from the experience here.

However, I do want to clarify that on my part it was not just the issues of freedom of speech without being censored and justice that I am on this thread. Though those are a big part of the reason I spoke out. I followed the posts on the thread that was closed but did not post myself.

On the internet we can't know what is going on in the lives of other people. However, my daughter Lialei has been through so much over the past couple of years, drastic changes in her life and many hurts. I was happy to see that the thread posted by BR gave her an outlet to some of those feelings and it lifted her spirits. It was most helpful for her to have others here that she could share her feelings with who felt as she did. When that thread was closed she was denied the ability to do that and she was getting so much out of BR's words and the words of others on the thread. Consequently she was denied the haven that you all were talking about on this thread that you all seem to value so much for yourselves. So once again humanity has proven that we just can't seem to apply the same imporantance and standards for others that we value for ourselves. No shock there.

Regarding letting people defend themselves, I will say this. During that across the boards attack last Dec. under the circumstances my daughter and I felt it best to let the moderators deal with it because anything we said in our own defense would cause it to only escalate further and since most people at LL were just pretty much ignoring the daily rants we felt it best to just let the threads die. Also at the time I thought that across the boards character reflected more the true character smear of those doing the attacking than it did ours.

It has often been my experience at LL, especially at GU, that when I have defended myself against false accusations and outright personal attacks, others will come in and even without reading through the posts, will accuse me of having been the one who started the argument and personal attacks just because I WAS defending myself and also accuse me of escalating it for doing so.

I am not one NOT to defend myself, no insecurities at all regarding that, I think most people know that by now, but in some circumstances such as an across the boards daily attack we have to have faith and trust in the moderators to handle it. In that instance our faith and trust was misplaced. Plain and simple. That is my only reason for bringing it up as an example. If anyone here thinks that bringing up the example means that I have not forgiven and let go they neither know me or haven't read the discussion at the astrology forum between myself and LakeDance, DFD's new user name. I apologize to Lake for mentioning it here as an example but it was only for the purpose of making my point and I hope she understands that.

As a good friend of Fayte's I can testify to the truth of her words that she does not side with friends if she feels those friends are in the wrong. Fayte also knows that as friends of hers my daughter, Lialei and I do the same with her. In fact just recently the 3 of us had a bit of a spat, or more like a small disagreement, because in private we were questioning the reasons of the other for their actions. When people deal in honesty as a way of life, they will apply that same honesty with friends as well as others. Fayte does that and we do it in return. Honesty, even when the other might at first not like it, cements friendships and any other relationship. I highly recommend it.

When it comes to discussions on forums such as this, it's sort of the same as with Scripture. Instead of just reading the words and getting hung up on them or taking them literally we need to make an attempt to just pay attention at what is trying to be conveyed, the message behind the words. Listen to the message, not dwell so much on how it is said. Then perhaps we might not be offended so much when someone shows a bit of descriptive passion in their words as MM and HSC did on the thread that was closed.

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As a good friend of Fayte's I can testify to the truth of her words that she does not side with friends if she feels those friends are in the wrong. Fayte also knows that as friends of hers my daughter, Lialei and I do the same with her. In fact just recently the 3 of us had a bit of a spat, or more like a small disagreement, because in private we were questioning the reasons of the other for their actions. When people deal in honesty as a way of life, they will apply that same honesty with friends as well as others. Fayte does that and we do it in return. Honesty, even when the other might at first not like it, cements friendships and any other relationship. I highly recommend it.

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