posted May 29, 2007 01:43 PM         

I don't understand why you perceive that having compassion for the sufferings of the world, as well as the empathetic sharing that spiraled off from that compassion, could be anything less than beautiful and positive.
It's disheartening to see the beauty of that is not only being invalidated, but even further, restricted here.

Last night I was too exhausted after a long day, but I had the thought of coming here and thanking BlueRoamer for starting this discussion, because it helped me more than I thought he may realize, just from the reassurance that there are others who think of these things and understand.
Tired, or not, I now wish I would have taken that extra time.

sesame
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Wow, that was a real turn around in perception there BlueRoamer! I would really like to close this thread for the baby story and the general negativity, but there is a lot of love here too, so it almost seems balanced, but I still think it's a tarnish in LL, and that young children can read this. SURE! They can read worse elsewhere, but HERE is not THERE. I LOVE LL being clean, a safe haven from the crap of the world. The fact that you are happy now BR gives me more incentive to close this. I don't necessarily need the last word here, but being mod, it gives me the privilege to do so. I love discussing Karma as much as the next guy, but I do not feel the need to use gory imagery. Life is what you make it in this material/spiritual/mental existence, and as such, you need to feel responsibility for your actions, thoughts, and life. The more you blame, the more you will blame, and so on. To break any cycle, you need clarity and vision, and yes imagination and faith are necessary too, and with these tools, remove yourself from your situation. IF on the other hand you choose to live in negativity and without love, then so be it. If you decide that this is not a choice, then so be it. You can blame others for your reality, and when they move on, you will have substitutes, but if you truly want to change, then be the change. Be the Energy you wish to see in the World. And if you wish to discuss negativity on a deeper level, then maybe use email - every thing published here creates the Energy here. As I have responsibility for this small slice of LL, I am choosing to close this thread. I've found in the past that deleting posts can be worse as we seem to have lost two members from that incident, so by closing, I will be preventing future browsers from seeing this thread which is at least something. The taint will still be here, but time heals all wounds.
Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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I understand your feelings about the graphic things said, but I'm sure that being reasonable people, they would have understood if you would have mentioned it and most probably might have complied to a request by you to edit their posts. Why not have tried that?

As for closing the thread for "general negativity", as a reasonable, understanding person yourself, Dean, I hope you might reconsider how your actions might be far more negative in duration, for the suppressive, selectively judgemental energy-field it would create in this forum.

I don't want to start an argument, but I do believe this is important and hope we can come together and arrive at some understanding.
Unfortionately I'm in a rush to leave for work at the moment.

posted May 29, 2007 01:51 PM         

Dean I understand why you closed the thread, some of the stuff mentioned there was a bit disturbing. This has been said a billion times, but darkness and negativity are one part of the human experience and they should be expressed. Repressing these thoughts, feelings, and qualities, can lead them to fester and manifest in a much more powerful way at a later time.

It's not really a big deal because we can just start a new thread. Ultimately closing threads before they're done just adds further fire to the conversation. That one seemed to be wrapping up anyway.

posted May 29, 2007 02:33 PM         

I remember not long ago you sqawking very loudly that Dean closed a thread that you were on. In fact you sqawked SO loudly about it that Randall ended up banning you from LL for a time.

I also remember how loudly you sqawked when Lalalinda edited AG's post at the Astrology site. You were making a real issue ( and rightly so ) of moderators either closing threads or editing people's posts at whim.

I am not out to start any arguments either but lets all at least try to allow the same standards for others that we apply for ourselves.

Still love you anyways, Lotus

posted May 29, 2007 02:44 PM         

5-29-2007

posted May 29, 2007 07:24 PM         

Why can't Randall put a disclaimer, "Are you 14 years or older?" over here.

That way he and others are free from their Karma.

posted May 29, 2007 07:30 PM         

He said give your energy to it.

posted May 29, 2007 07:52 PM         

I just like meeting like minded people here.

I thought we can discuss anything here as long its not crude, and attacks on people.

Not sure why Dean who I thought was much matured decided to do that. May be because now that he is playing the role of a father, he want's to make his kid live in a better world. I see nothing wrong with that. We must drawn the line between personal and work lives. Never use our privelege for personal reasons.

Cheers.

posted May 29, 2007 08:16 PM         

Lialei, there are two main reasons for closing that thread. 1. because of the graphics stories and language presented by a few people. And 2, because negativity begets more negativity. I want Positivity. I do not want to shrug issues under the rug, and treat this like I'm subjugating emotions, or anything, but I would like people to vent without using graphic or course language that may be considered offensive to some viewers. I definitely found many beutiful moments to be found in that thread, and as I said, it was only that one section that I felt needed to be addressed. Whether I ask the people to edit there words, or take action and close it is up to me as mod. Sure, asking people is a good thing, but there is time to act, responses to my request, further debates on "who am I to ask of you or question or judge you? etc. The fact is, I did not want that thread to have the ability to continue being resurfaced for future LL generations to see. It will still be there as it sinks, but you won't be able to bump it. If you consider my actions to be negative, then so be it. It's akin to someone slapping me in the face, and me turning my back on them. Am I negative in this response? You have no idea how happy I was this morning for closing that thread. I was somewhat sad for a few days, and then after reading that thread, and closing it, I feel much better. I don't know if there's a connection here, but it's something I had to do. I truly don't mean to judge. I am happy that I allowed the thread to exist to resolve a lot of issues that people had, and the positivity that ensued, but I do feel it had to be closed.

BlueRoamer,

I am all for expressing negativity, but in somewhat controlled measures. You can't go into a mall and blow everyone away for example, but honestly speaking from your soul and asking for light in troubled times, or understanding as to how things could get this way, is to me, acceptable. I am not judging anyone, these are just my views. Expressing negatvity in a way that brings other people down (not that you did this - this is another view-point) and has no end in sight, or questions on how to see the light, or escape the drama, will never end. Black holes suck all energy and matter. This type of negativity I find unacceptable. The thread in particular was only negative in very small parts, and was mostly acceptable, but the graphics and language is not. Some is *'d out, but others with letters missing is deception. It's conveying the words by bypassing the systems. In any case, I had nothing against you expressing yourself. There is a deinite relationship between suppressing feelings, and attracting them. However, I choose not to watch the news for the articles that they sometimes love to show, and I feel this creates further problems. By not becoming subjected to them, we have a much higher chance of not being affected by them. Out of sight, out of mind, for sure, but it is also a choice as to what we want to see and experience. I'm glad you also felt that the thread seemed to be wrapping up, and want people to not feel unfairly treated. I just did not want it surfacing periodically for others to be subjected to.

Thanks lotusheartone, you understand where I'm coming from.

Mirandee, I have closed a few threads now, but all because of a similar reason - irrespective of who started it, or who ended it. If I feel the energy is not conducive to happiness, or that imagery and language is inappropriate, then it could be closed.

starr33, sorry about that. Maybe start a new thread about Rita Hayworth's life?

fayte.m, www.linda-goodman.com is about Linda's philosophies and life. If you wish to discuss graphic subject matter, then I feel you should not do it here. I recently read a book called Tokyo which had similar subject matter, and felt it was interesting to see how history can unfold. Howeever, it has nothing to do with Linda. She was all for positivity and creating magic. How are graphic books or stories going to do this? I agree with you, people need to be aware of what can happen in society - that all children should be supervised wherever possible. A similar story happened in Australia not too long ago. Since then, I think people are more aware of what they need to do, but we do not need to be subjected to it in LL. I understand that we a re a mini society that resides within the larger one, and that issues will come through, but my job here, is to minimise this. We are in Lindaland, not Eatrh. Think of it as a virtual world. Sure, we're not always fluffy, bouncy, laughy, but we are not Earth.

Mannu, you miss my point completely. This site is NOT for 14 or 18 years and over, it is for people that are willing to discuss ideas and Linda's philosophies, not to shock people with graphic images! If you wish to do so, then visit a vampire site or somthing! I do NOT only want adults here, but I understand many people feel it is not the place for children, but if this is the case, then Linda would not be happy. When has she ever used course language or imagery to shock people? This place SHOULD be available for children, and in fact is. Anywhere in the Internet is available unless Super Nanny or the like is used, but I'd hate to imagine Lindaland blocked in Super Nanny! You are never free from your Karma - you are constantly subjected to it with thoughts, events, people being attracted to you based on this. Your projections of who you want to be creates this. Therefore, everything you say here creates the new you - no matter how small the manifestation. I am all for giving energy to love. Not sure what your point is. No one was being hateful. In my onion they were shockful. The Love definitely flowed and seemed to heal the thread, but again, I did not want it re-surfaced. If you wish, you could hyperlink to it, but that is your perogative.

Thanks lotusheartone, again, you get me.

Apologies to anyone who feels there opinion is stifled, or their inspiration to share their thoughts is diminished, but I did this for what I felt was the better cause of UC and LL.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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I realized it for the first time in my life:
there is nothing but mystery in the world,
how it hides behind the fabric of our poor,
browbeat days, shining brightly, and we don't even know it.

Sue Monk Kidd, "The Secret Life of Bees", p79

posted May 29, 2007 08:33 PM         

You're welcome, and Thank-you, I am crying, you truly care, and that means the World to me!

LOve, Light, and Magic!

posted May 29, 2007 09:24 PM         

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I believe everything happens for a reason!
Sometimes a line has to be drawn. I believe Dean's reasons are very admirable!

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posted May 29, 2007 09:56 PM         

Dean if your goal was to hide badness, why did you not have the foresight to see that locking that was going to create a sh!tstorm. Now instead of a slow, peaceful death, you've created conflict, anger, strife. This is what happens when you sequester and repress people, they lash out.]

You seem to believe that if we sweep things under the carpet they go away, but this is not true. Shall we ignore all the misdeeds that go on in this world? I have the greatest respect for those that delve into these underworlds in an attempt to expose and destroy them. People who work with pedophiles, homeless, poor, murderers, the mentally ill, the unlovable, these are the true saints of the world.

As a moderator you should have had greater foresight. You should have seen the thread dying and allowed it to go.

posted May 29, 2007 10:52 PM         

Honest, direct confrontation is a true expression of compassion...The illusion of power must be unmasked, idolatry must be undone, oppression and exploitation must be fought, and all who participate in these evils must be confronted. This is compassion.

- Donald P. McNeill

posted May 29, 2007 11:04 PM         

You didn't really have to close the whole thread.

Just because a few folks around LL live in denial does that mean the rest of humanity has to play that game too? Actually it's not a very healthy way to live.

Sesame, a plain and truthful fact that exists in the entire world and the universe is that you simply cannot have positives without there also being negatives. Just as you cannot have day without there also being night. EVERYTHING in existance has it's opposite. If you haven't notice that by your own experiences in life then you just aren't really paying attention.

How could you enjoy laughter if you haven't shed tears of sorrow? How could you appreciate the good if you don't also recognize that bad thing have happened in your life and the world as well as the good?

If we just ignore evil as if it did not exist how is that ever going to aid in stopping it? You cannot stop evil unless you first recognize it for what it is and then point it out and name it.

Why do people think the spiritual life demands withdrawal drom the ordinary? Because they've been taught, at least by implication, that the physical is a block to the spiritual. When we assume that the spiritual, unlike the physical, is impervious to corrosion, then we assume that all things material are not to be honored. But the fact of the matter is, the material is the vehicle of the spiritual.

- Joan Chittister

Honest, direct confrontation is a true expression of compassion...The illusion of power must be unmasked, idolatry must be undone, oppression and exploitation must be fought, and all who participate in these evils must be confronted. This is compassion.

- Donald P. McNeill

To keep struggling against hate and to practice forgiveness need not mean abdicating one's rights or renouncing justice. This should be emphasized over and over again. It is part of loving one's enemy that Christians must remind the "enemy" of justice and right. It is part of loving to speak the truth.

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fayte.m, www.linda-goodman.com is about Linda's philosophies and life. If you wish to discuss graphic subject matter, then I feel you should not do it here.

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