posted April 24, 2008 02:17 PM         

"The Saturn return is a regular astronomical occurrence relevant to the practice of astrology which occurs in a person's life at approximately 27–30 years of age and again around the age of 58–60, with the third and usually final occurrence around 86-88. The planet Saturn takes approximately 29.5 years to orbit the Sun; when it returns to the exact degree along the ecliptic it occupied at the time of a person's birth this is referred to as their "Saturn Return".

Saturn is symbolically/astrologically associated with time, challenge, fear, doubt, confusion, difficulty, seriousness, heaviness, unwanted burdens and hard lessons, among other more positive things such as structure, significance, accomplishment, reflection, power, prestige, maturity, responsibility and order – this is why astrologers believe that the thirtieth birthday is such a major rite of passage and is considered by many astrologers to mark the "true beginning" of adulthood, self-evaluation, independence, responsibility, ambition, and full maturation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_return

When is my Saturn return?

posted April 24, 2008 02:44 PM         

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Does it mean when Saturn crosses over the position it was in when I was born, which in my case would be the 8th house?

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Yes, exactly.

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When did it begin and when did it end?

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Saturn's a slow moving planet, and also subject to retrogrades. It started whenever it got close enough to be considered a conjunction, and it will end when it finally goes out of range from being considered a conjunction.

posted April 24, 2008 02:51 PM         

Saturn is sitting on your Jupiter currently, so the planet of restriction is sitting on your planet of luck and expansion. It's also close enough to be hampering your Mars actions.

posted April 24, 2008 02:56 PM         

What should I be looking at?

Is a Saturn return a good thing?

posted April 24, 2008 03:06 PM         

Saturn Return is a great thing wrapped in a package some people dread.

"Even though your Saturn Return may be disturbing, ultimately it reveals what you truly want and sweeps away the clutter that may have been impeding your progress. Your Saturn Return is a personal spring cleaning. No matter how difficult it seems to let go of inappropriate people and things, the first Saturn Return is the time to do it. For if lessons are not learned, the problems will come knocking again during your second Saturn Return at about age fifty-eight, when you are more set in your ways. Once the conflict is confronted, the tension usually subsides. You feel stronger and more capable of moving ahead." http://www.newage-directory.com/saturn.html

posted April 24, 2008 03:10 PM         

Does that mean everything is going to get even more depressing than it already has been?

posted April 24, 2008 04:56 PM         

I think most people need at least some human contact every day.

Look what happens to prisoners when they go in isolation....they go insane.

Humans are a social species.

I understand where HSC is coming from. I feel adrift, an outcast, estranged from society. I am not a Christian. I do not like drinking or drugs. I don't really like sports. I am gay. How am I supposed to connect with most people?

posted April 24, 2008 05:43 PM         

I'm just seeing a lot of things rigth now.

I thank everyone who had soemthign nice to say.

And everyone who spoke their truth.

I feel love and respect for all of you,
and i see and feel a lot of other things too.

This is not going to sound very nice, but,
I think we are all much dumber than we realize,
and we all constantly jump to conclusions based
on our egocentric and shortsighted perspectives.
And I've understood stuff like this before, but its overwelming lately.

Part of me feels like i never want to open myself to anyone,
or talk to anyone about anything ever again,
because i just feel like everyone is so stupid, arrogant, and judgmental.
No doubt this is all my own sh!t and I'm projecting,
but maybe there is a lot more to it than even that.

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Saturn Return.... HSC's coming out of it.

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AG, Thats incorrect.
Saturn has another ten degrees to go before it even reaches its return,
but it has certainly begun, and, whats more,
it must occur in the 8th house;
and a Saturn transit of the 8th is bad enough.

SunnyRains, thank you for sharing and understanding.

I'm sorry I'm such a weak person, or such a complicated person,
or whatever the hell i am, I'm sorry for being me.
I'm trying to cultivate more love, less intellect.

I dont know.

posted April 24, 2008 06:02 PM         

hahahahaha

very good.

You, sir, are a comedian.

posted April 24, 2008 06:15 PM         

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HSC - you're funny.

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Aww, shucks.

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Back to the topic: I like being alone...

So, for me, it is a choice.

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I'm really not sure what you are talking about.

The topic is loneliness; not being alone.

Being alone and being lonely are two completely different things.

posted April 24, 2008 07:11 PM         

I choose to be alone, and when that becomes "loneliness" i.e. feeling cut off from the world, I then choose not to be alone, which ends my loneliness - by reconnecting with the world.

and to BR... (added)

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I feel adrift, an outcast, estranged from society. I am not a Christian. I do not like drinking or drugs. I don't really like sports. I am gay. How am I supposed to connect with most people?

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posted April 24, 2008 07:16 PM         

I guess it is different for some people.
It seems that at least 90% of the people in the world
can just about connect with anyone and relieve their "loneliness".
Meanwhile, people like me can feel intensely lonely most of the time,
while still struggling to connect and find people we connect with.

posted April 24, 2008 07:44 PM         

HSC wrote..
"I guess it is different for some people.
It seems that at least 90% of the people in the world
can just about connect with anyone and relieve their "loneliness".
Meanwhile, people like me can feel intensely lonely most of the time,
while still struggling to connect and find people we connect with."

posted April 24, 2008 07:55 PM         

Thank you.

I understand, and there is more i could say,
but i'm too moody right now to extend myself.

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as a person I can be your best friend. As a mom...I'm just selfish. Hard to explain.

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Maybe not.
What's your 5th house look like?
Can I see your chart?