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BlueRoamer
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posted April 23, 2008 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
In a world so overpopulated, so crowded.

Why are so many people so lonely?

Is it a choice?

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BrightStar
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posted April 24, 2008 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrightStar     Edit/Delete Message
Hi there. Yes it a personal choice. Some poeple are shy,or they are afrid of being hurt. I am not lonely no more i have a friend . He like me and i adore him. He is my best friend.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 24, 2008 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Of course its a choice! Everything is a choice, havent you heard?! And being lonely is where its at!
Seems like everybody these days is choosing to feel this bottomless aching and emptiness inside.
There's just nothing quite like it!

Duh. NO. Its not a choice. Unless you mean a choice between being lonely and being utterly mismatched and miserable. There are all sorts of reasons why it is difficult to find someone who you wont feel lonely with. I have a hard enough time just finding people who's presence I can tolerate in my life, jeez. And, yes, of course, it is because I am just so utterly original and brilliant and there are probably only a handful of women in the world who vibrate to my frequency and can fathom my depths, and they are all married or gay.
I mean, what other reason could there be?

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Charlotte
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posted April 24, 2008 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charlotte     Edit/Delete Message
Heart--Shaped Cross, I know she is out there somewhere and just as intelligently deep as You are, with a sarcastically brilliant sense of humor to boot! :-)
Hugs,
Charly

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26taurus
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posted April 24, 2008 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
It's because we dont know and love ourselves. Plain and simple. We kid ourselves into thinking we do, but if we are still lonely, that is our signal that we dont and still have work to do.

The simple is too hard.
For most of us it's easier to brood.

Who's up for the challenge?

Truly.

That's who I wanna love with.

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Inner depths
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posted April 24, 2008 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Inner depths     Edit/Delete Message
I just has a thought on this and wanted to put it down.

I think it matters if a person is comfortable in their own company. Some people can't stand being alone while others are fine just by themselves. I figure it's how a person looks at it.

I spend a lot of time in my own company and it doesn't bother me - I feel at peace and can entertain myself for hours.

Then there are some who need to have people around them all the time, who dread being alone. Possibly the extraverted types out there...

my guess any how....

Though I don't think we are ever alone and I don't think anything is missing within a lonely person - it just seems that way.....

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AcousticGod
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posted April 24, 2008 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I like 26T and Inner Depths' take on it.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 24, 2008 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 24, 2008 05:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Why do I feel like I'm being judged every second of my life?
Why do I feel like every person i meet is a judgemental know-it-all?
Why is everybody pushing easy answers to eternal questions?
I'm so sick of being judged and looked down on...
People dont even know what I'm holding back,
what efforts I make every minute of my life,
and what a mean son-of-a-***** i would be if i didnt struggle internally like this.
Nobody knows what others are doing, or whats going on in their minds,
and even they dont know whats going on in their own souls.
We dont know what people are capable of, good or evil.
We really dont know anything.
We shuffle and trade a few dozen cliches and nod our heads,
and we tell ourselves and eachother how right we are,
but, if put to the test, we cant give more than superficial answers.
We dont really know what the words we say mean. Not really.
We just repeat what we heard somewhere, because it made us smile, or shiver,
or because its what everybody else is saying, or what everybody else is not saying.
blah blah blah, nevermind.

I want friends who understand.

I want mirrors that dont judge me.

I dont ******* fit in anywhere and i'm sick of apologizing for being myself.

I feel like I have a dozen souls inside of me,
and they can never agree on what direction to take.

Dont even pretend to think you understand where I am coming from.


Do you think I know what I am doing?
That for one breath or half-breath I belong to myself?
As much as a pen knows what it's writing,
or the ball can guess where it's going next.

Who makes these changes?
I shoot an arrow right.
It lands left.
I ride after a deer and find myself
chased by a hog.
I plot to get what I want
and end up in prison.
I dig pits to trap others
and fall in.

I should be suspicious
of what I want.

~ rumi

JUDGE THIS

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Yin
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posted April 24, 2008 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
It is a choice only if you choose not to participate in the world around you.
And I am actually speaking from personal experience.
If you don't feel like you are being heard - scream louder.
If you don't feel like you are being understood - explain it better.

There are no friends around you? Maybe you need to go search further away from your comfort zone.

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praecipua
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posted April 24, 2008 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
it depends what you are asking about i guess. you say lonely but what do you mean?

if i take my case, i'm far from lonely, i've got friends everywhere, i meet new people easily, and i could say i can never be alone if that's what i want.

but, even though i'm surrounded by lovely people, sometimes i feel a loneliness that makes me suffer and paradoxically makes me feel good. bizarre?

i guess peolpe who feel lonely are not looking for the quantity but the quality, so, millions of people or just a few won't change anything.
the problem is somewhere else. inside maybe. and it's actually a problem only in the eye of the outsider. why would it be a problem to be selective in your aqquaintances?

some people are looking to share the most beautiful, secret treasure within their heart. and to avoid disappointment they protect themselves by developping some alrms that will warn them of the danger to disclose their true selves. paradoxically, needing to reach out like evereyone, they start to have a pent up love that needs expression. so they idealise a few people and focus everything on them. it's only when they get disappointed by their ideals that the real problem start. they can't believe they'll ever find this ideal mate that will understand them. and that might be true.

you see, i think there are mainly two types of people with a lot of grey in between.
one type is expert at dealing with exchange. they are the non-lonely type.
the other type for me is the kind of person who value truth above exchange. those tend to be more lonely because their standard of judgement are deeper.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 24, 2008 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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Inner depths
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posted April 24, 2008 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Inner depths     Edit/Delete Message
Soooooooooo true 26T!

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AcousticGod
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posted April 24, 2008 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I can say that in my experience I used to be a much lonelier sort of person. I used to feel it a lot. There were more things I was insecure about back then, so this idea that loving yourself helps cure loneliness makes sense to me.

Having a girlfriend hasn't cured my loneliness. I was over being lonely before she came along, and if she goes away I still won't be lonely. I may still feel a bit alienated from the rest of society, but I don't consider that a matter of loneliness, just uniqueness. If I'm on my own I have more time to pursue all the things I want to pursue.

So I don't particularly think "loving yourself," or "being comfortable in your own company" were cliche answers. Both are true for me, and as good a theory as any presented here.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 24, 2008 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a different person if I have someone here I can talk to. I can even cope with my kids better. It's the loneliness that makes everything seem so unbearable. This isolation is crippling. I need someone to save me. I feel I'm drowning. (-She writes with tears in her eyes).

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 24, 2008 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
HSC is right. There's no point in being around others who judge you. That just makes it even lonelier.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 24, 2008 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
There is no simple answer to anything.

Lets get this into our heads:

ALL LIFE IS SYMBIOTIC. WE ALL DEPEND ON EACH OTHER IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER.

"You are, Therefore I am". ~Satish Kumar

NO MAN IS A ISLAND.

For Pete's sake!!!!

We are all human, we all need air to breathe and people to love us, someone to love us!

No philosophy or anything else can change that!

The people who think a few words are all we need to feel better are usually fulfilled in some way; have something to hold onto. (Or a sense of purpose in their lives, usefulness).

I read an article once, about a refuge center somewhere in some war zone to help people who were starving, Many women had been raped, most people had witnessed such terrible atrocities. There was this woman there who had given birth to a baby, but she refused to feed him. She had obviously been so traumatized by everything that she couldn't bear the idea of herself, or her child, continuing to live in such an existence. Do I think she is less of a person, or a "sinner", or look down on her in any way? HELL NO! POOR LADY! POOR, POOR CREATURES!

As it happened though, she did change her mind in the end and started to feed her baby.


"YOU ARE THEREFORE I AM."

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 24, 2008 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
"If you judge people, you have no time to love them"

~Mother Teresa

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MysticMelody
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posted April 24, 2008 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Steve ,

When the sweet glance of my true love caught my eyes,
Like alchemy, it transformed my copper-like soul.
I searched for Him with a thousand hands,
He stretched out His arms and clutched my feet.
(Rumi)

"He wished he could become it without these uncomfortable things happening to him."


I can relate .

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Unmoved
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posted April 24, 2008 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
HSC - you're funny.

quote:
Of course its a choice! Everything is a choice, havent you heard?! And being lonely is where its at!

Back to the topic: I like being alone. For me it's a personal choice. When I get sick of being on my own, I get out there and socialize and stop being alone... but I get sick of that much faster than being solitary.

So, for me, it is a choice.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 24, 2008 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Someone posted this song once when I was feeling low:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl1rRxG251s

It's an oldie, but I like the words.

Unmoved....I hear you.
Same here!

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 24, 2008 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
By the way, I want to make it clear that I was not speaking about anybody here when I went off on my "rant" just now....I've not been feeling good today- to be honest, pretty terrible...it was just something I wanted to get out of my system. I feel better for it.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 24, 2008 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
In this proud land we grew up strong
We were wanted all along
I was taught to fight, taught to win
I never thought I could fail

No fight left or so it seems
I am a man whose dreams have all deserted
Ive changed my face, Ive changed my name
But no one wants you when you lose

Don't give up
cos you have friends
Don't give up
Youre not beaten yet
Don't give up
I know you can make it good

Though I saw it all around
Never thought I could be affected
Thought that wed be the last to go
It is so strange the way things turn

Drove the night toward my home
The place that I was born, on the lakeside
As daylight broke, I saw the earth
The trees had burned down to the ground

Don't give up
You still have us
Don't give up
We dont need much of anything
Don't give up
cause somewhere theres a place
Where we belong

Rest your head
You worry too much
Its going to be alright
When times get rough
You can fall back on us
Don't give up
Please dont give up

got to walk out of here
I cant take anymore
Going to stand on that bridge
Keep my eyes down below
Whatever may come
And whatever may go
That rivers flowing
That rivers flowing

Moved on to another town
Tried hard to settle down
For every job, so many men
So many men no-one needs

Don't give up
cause you have friends
Don't give up
Youre not the only one
Don't give up
No reason to be ashamed
Dont give up
You still have us
Dont give up now
Were proud of who you are
Don't give up
You know its never been easy
Don't give up
cause I believe theres the a place
Theres a place where we belong

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SunnyRains
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posted April 24, 2008 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunnyRains     Edit/Delete Message
HSC put it right where it's at with me.
Never judge anyone because we are all made of the same stuff, but you never know what people have been thru in their lives and why they are the way they are.
For instance, if a friend of yours goes around to people and tells them horrible things about you. Should those people listen and treat you bad because of what they hear? I've had that happen to me and it hurts. Always get both sides of a story before you choose to alienate someone.
But I've been thru a lot in my childhood and what I went thru growing up makes up a good part of why I am the way I am. You can argue and say that I have a choice in how I choose to process "the right" way to act or what to do. But that's much easier said then done.
I grew up the kid in the corner without any friends. And nobody understood how hard that was for me. I was constantly going around wondering what people thought of me when they looked at me. Because I was constantly teased and put down. They didn't know what happened at home with me so they couldn't understand. Instead they judged.
I would hear things like people thought I was stuck up because I didn't socialize...etc. But that was so far from the truth. I hated myself and wanted to be the girl everyone played with. But didn't know how. I attempted suicide several times without success.
Anyway.. now as an adult I just don't care what people think anymore. I still don't have any friends. And when I even think of meeting new people I get so scared. I'm still quiet and shy and people still mis understand that about me...but I don't care.
And maybe that's why I was lead to sites like this one. To learn to if not love myself, then maybe at least like myself.
So I rambled lol. Sorry, couldn't help the spirialing.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 24, 2008 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
SunnyRains, just want to say, I understand some of the things you have been through.

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