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Topic: How can people be so lonely?
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BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 4097 From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean Registered: Jun 2003
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posted April 23, 2008 11:45 PM
In a world so overpopulated, so crowded.Why are so many people so lonely? Is it a choice? IP: Logged |
BrightStar Knowflake Posts: 196 From: Registered: Apr 2007
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posted April 24, 2008 01:06 AM
Hi there. Yes it a personal choice. Some poeple are shy,or they are afrid of being hurt. I am not lonely no more i have a friend . He like me and i adore him. He is my best friend.IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 7376 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted April 24, 2008 01:20 AM
Of course its a choice! Everything is a choice, havent you heard?! And being lonely is where its at! Seems like everybody these days is choosing to feel this bottomless aching and emptiness inside. There's just nothing quite like it! Duh. NO. Its not a choice. Unless you mean a choice between being lonely and being utterly mismatched and miserable. There are all sorts of reasons why it is difficult to find someone who you wont feel lonely with. I have a hard enough time just finding people who's presence I can tolerate in my life, jeez. And, yes, of course, it is because I am just so utterly original and brilliant and there are probably only a handful of women in the world who vibrate to my frequency and can fathom my depths, and they are all married or gay. I mean, what other reason could there be?
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Charlotte Knowflake Posts: 1318 From: USA Registered: Apr 2004
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posted April 24, 2008 01:37 AM
Heart--Shaped Cross, I know she is out there somewhere and just as intelligently deep as You are, with a sarcastically brilliant sense of humor to boot! :-) Hugs, Charly
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26taurus Knowflake Posts: 13589 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted April 24, 2008 02:05 AM
It's because we dont know and love ourselves. Plain and simple. We kid ourselves into thinking we do, but if we are still lonely, that is our signal that we dont and still have work to do.The simple is too hard. For most of us it's easier to brood. Who's up for the challenge? Truly. That's who I wanna love with. IP: Logged |
Inner depths Knowflake Posts: 391 From: The Greatest Outdoor Show on Earth City! Registered: May 2006
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posted April 24, 2008 02:08 AM
I just has a thought on this and wanted to put it down.I think it matters if a person is comfortable in their own company. Some people can't stand being alone while others are fine just by themselves. I figure it's how a person looks at it. I spend a lot of time in my own company and it doesn't bother me - I feel at peace and can entertain myself for hours. Then there are some who need to have people around them all the time, who dread being alone. Possibly the extraverted types out there... my guess any how.... Though I don't think we are ever alone and I don't think anything is missing within a lonely person - it just seems that way..... ID IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 12286 From: Pleasanton, CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 03:08 AM
I like 26T and Inner Depths' take on it. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 7376 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted April 24, 2008 05:49 AM
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Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 7376 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted April 24, 2008 05:50 AM
Why do I feel like I'm being judged every second of my life? Why do I feel like every person i meet is a judgemental know-it-all? Why is everybody pushing easy answers to eternal questions? I'm so sick of being judged and looked down on... People dont even know what I'm holding back, what efforts I make every minute of my life, and what a mean son-of-a-***** i would be if i didnt struggle internally like this. Nobody knows what others are doing, or whats going on in their minds, and even they dont know whats going on in their own souls. We dont know what people are capable of, good or evil. We really dont know anything. We shuffle and trade a few dozen cliches and nod our heads, and we tell ourselves and eachother how right we are, but, if put to the test, we cant give more than superficial answers. We dont really know what the words we say mean. Not really. We just repeat what we heard somewhere, because it made us smile, or shiver, or because its what everybody else is saying, or what everybody else is not saying. blah blah blah, nevermind. I want friends who understand. I want mirrors that dont judge me. I dont ******* fit in anywhere and i'm sick of apologizing for being myself. I feel like I have a dozen souls inside of me, and they can never agree on what direction to take. Dont even pretend to think you understand where I am coming from. Do you think I know what I am doing? That for one breath or half-breath I belong to myself? As much as a pen knows what it's writing, or the ball can guess where it's going next.
Who makes these changes? I shoot an arrow right. It lands left. I ride after a deer and find myself chased by a hog. I plot to get what I want and end up in prison. I dig pits to trap others and fall in. I should be suspicious of what I want. ~ rumi JUDGE THIS IP: Logged |
Yin Knowflake Posts: 1443 From: Registered: May 2004
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posted April 24, 2008 10:07 AM
It is a choice only if you choose not to participate in the world around you. And I am actually speaking from personal experience. If you don't feel like you are being heard - scream louder. If you don't feel like you are being understood - explain it better.There are no friends around you? Maybe you need to go search further away from your comfort zone.
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praecipua Knowflake Posts: 553 From: england Registered: Aug 2007
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posted April 24, 2008 10:15 AM
it depends what you are asking about i guess. you say lonely but what do you mean?if i take my case, i'm far from lonely, i've got friends everywhere, i meet new people easily, and i could say i can never be alone if that's what i want. but, even though i'm surrounded by lovely people, sometimes i feel a loneliness that makes me suffer and paradoxically makes me feel good. bizarre? i guess peolpe who feel lonely are not looking for the quantity but the quality, so, millions of people or just a few won't change anything. the problem is somewhere else. inside maybe. and it's actually a problem only in the eye of the outsider. why would it be a problem to be selective in your aqquaintances? some people are looking to share the most beautiful, secret treasure within their heart. and to avoid disappointment they protect themselves by developping some alrms that will warn them of the danger to disclose their true selves. paradoxically, needing to reach out like evereyone, they start to have a pent up love that needs expression. so they idealise a few people and focus everything on them. it's only when they get disappointed by their ideals that the real problem start. they can't believe they'll ever find this ideal mate that will understand them. and that might be true. you see, i think there are mainly two types of people with a lot of grey in between. one type is expert at dealing with exchange. they are the non-lonely type. the other type for me is the kind of person who value truth above exchange. those tend to be more lonely because their standard of judgement are deeper.
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ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 4204 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 10:19 AM
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Inner depths Knowflake Posts: 391 From: The Greatest Outdoor Show on Earth City! Registered: May 2006
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posted April 24, 2008 11:33 AM
Soooooooooo true 26T! IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 12286 From: Pleasanton, CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 11:42 AM
I can say that in my experience I used to be a much lonelier sort of person. I used to feel it a lot. There were more things I was insecure about back then, so this idea that loving yourself helps cure loneliness makes sense to me.Having a girlfriend hasn't cured my loneliness. I was over being lonely before she came along, and if she goes away I still won't be lonely. I may still feel a bit alienated from the rest of society, but I don't consider that a matter of loneliness, just uniqueness. If I'm on my own I have more time to pursue all the things I want to pursue. So I don't particularly think "loving yourself," or "being comfortable in your own company" were cliche answers. Both are true for me, and as good a theory as any presented here. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 4204 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 11:54 AM
I'm a different person if I have someone here I can talk to. I can even cope with my kids better. It's the loneliness that makes everything seem so unbearable. This isolation is crippling. I need someone to save me. I feel I'm drowning. (-She writes with tears in her eyes). IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 4204 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 11:54 AM
HSC is right. There's no point in being around others who judge you. That just makes it even lonelier.IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 4204 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 12:01 PM
There is no simple answer to anything.Lets get this into our heads: ALL LIFE IS SYMBIOTIC. WE ALL DEPEND ON EACH OTHER IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER. "You are, Therefore I am". ~Satish Kumar NO MAN IS A ISLAND. For Pete's sake!!!! We are all human, we all need air to breathe and people to love us, someone to love us! No philosophy or anything else can change that! The people who think a few words are all we need to feel better are usually fulfilled in some way; have something to hold onto. (Or a sense of purpose in their lives, usefulness). I read an article once, about a refuge center somewhere in some war zone to help people who were starving, Many women had been raped, most people had witnessed such terrible atrocities. There was this woman there who had given birth to a baby, but she refused to feed him. She had obviously been so traumatized by everything that she couldn't bear the idea of herself, or her child, continuing to live in such an existence. Do I think she is less of a person, or a "sinner", or look down on her in any way? HELL NO! POOR LADY! POOR, POOR CREATURES! As it happened though, she did change her mind in the end and started to feed her baby. "YOU ARE THEREFORE I AM."
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ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 4204 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 12:04 PM
"If you judge people, you have no time to love them"~Mother Teresa IP: Logged |
MysticMelody Moderator Posts: 3660 From: Registered: Dec 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 12:06 PM
Steve ,When the sweet glance of my true love caught my eyes, Like alchemy, it transformed my copper-like soul. I searched for Him with a thousand hands, He stretched out His arms and clutched my feet. (Rumi) "He wished he could become it without these uncomfortable things happening to him." I can relate .
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Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 886 From: Born in S.Africa Registered: Jun 2007
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posted April 24, 2008 01:04 PM
HSC - you're funny. quote: Of course its a choice! Everything is a choice, havent you heard?! And being lonely is where its at!
Back to the topic: I like being alone. For me it's a personal choice. When I get sick of being on my own, I get out there and socialize and stop being alone... but I get sick of that much faster than being solitary. So, for me, it is a choice. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 4204 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 01:15 PM
Someone posted this song once when I was feeling low: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl1rRxG251s It's an oldie, but I like the words. Unmoved....I hear you. Same here! IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 4204 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 01:20 PM
By the way, I want to make it clear that I was not speaking about anybody here when I went off on my "rant" just now....I've not been feeling good today- to be honest, pretty terrible...it was just something I wanted to get out of my system. I feel better for it. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 4204 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 01:22 PM
In this proud land we grew up strong We were wanted all along I was taught to fight, taught to win I never thought I could failNo fight left or so it seems I am a man whose dreams have all deserted Ive changed my face, Ive changed my name But no one wants you when you lose Don't give up cos you have friends Don't give up Youre not beaten yet Don't give up I know you can make it good Though I saw it all around Never thought I could be affected Thought that wed be the last to go It is so strange the way things turn Drove the night toward my home The place that I was born, on the lakeside As daylight broke, I saw the earth The trees had burned down to the ground Don't give up You still have us Don't give up We dont need much of anything Don't give up cause somewhere theres a place Where we belong Rest your head You worry too much Its going to be alright When times get rough You can fall back on us Don't give up Please dont give up got to walk out of here I cant take anymore Going to stand on that bridge Keep my eyes down below Whatever may come And whatever may go That rivers flowing That rivers flowing Moved on to another town Tried hard to settle down For every job, so many men So many men no-one needs Don't give up cause you have friends Don't give up Youre not the only one Don't give up No reason to be ashamed Dont give up You still have us Dont give up now Were proud of who you are Don't give up You know its never been easy Don't give up cause I believe theres the a place Theres a place where we belong IP: Logged |
SunnyRains Knowflake Posts: 47 From: Registered: Apr 2008
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posted April 24, 2008 01:56 PM
HSC put it right where it's at with me. Never judge anyone because we are all made of the same stuff, but you never know what people have been thru in their lives and why they are the way they are. For instance, if a friend of yours goes around to people and tells them horrible things about you. Should those people listen and treat you bad because of what they hear? I've had that happen to me and it hurts. Always get both sides of a story before you choose to alienate someone. But I've been thru a lot in my childhood and what I went thru growing up makes up a good part of why I am the way I am. You can argue and say that I have a choice in how I choose to process "the right" way to act or what to do. But that's much easier said then done. I grew up the kid in the corner without any friends. And nobody understood how hard that was for me. I was constantly going around wondering what people thought of me when they looked at me. Because I was constantly teased and put down. They didn't know what happened at home with me so they couldn't understand. Instead they judged. I would hear things like people thought I was stuck up because I didn't socialize...etc. But that was so far from the truth. I hated myself and wanted to be the girl everyone played with. But didn't know how. I attempted suicide several times without success. Anyway.. now as an adult I just don't care what people think anymore. I still don't have any friends. And when I even think of meeting new people I get so scared. I'm still quiet and shy and people still mis understand that about me...but I don't care. And maybe that's why I was lead to sites like this one. To learn to if not love myself, then maybe at least like myself. So I rambled lol. Sorry, couldn't help the spirialing. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 4204 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 24, 2008 01:59 PM
SunnyRains, just want to say, I understand some of the things you have been through. IP: Logged |